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Post by oldschool on Jul 15, 2010 19:31:36 GMT -5
Without signing a zillion names, and keeping roster smaller and more manageable....If they based their fed around
Trevor Murdoch Lance Cade Shelton Benjamin Charlie Haas Giant Bernard Brent Albright Karl Anderson Paul Birchall Shawn Spears Chris Hero Mike Knox
with tag teams like The Briscoe Brothers The Young Bucks The Highlanders Ray Gordy/Kid Kash & A good big guy as The New Fabulous Freebirds a Petey Williams/Johnny Devine Tag Team
with Jimmy Jacobs Larry Sweeney Prince Nana playing roles of managers
Make it like 1980"s wrestling and Wilpon uses his connections for some TV and this guy would be watching all the time!
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Post by wcw on Jul 15, 2010 20:23:26 GMT -5
Sounds like a large indy fed that is destined to fail.
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Post by Lardlad on Jul 15, 2010 20:25:10 GMT -5
I haven't seen this name yet: SID
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Post by romafan87 on Jul 15, 2010 20:56:44 GMT -5
Just wondering, why a startup and not get behind a product that is established? Seems like it would be a safer bet to invest in an ROH, Chikara or a CZW with a built in base and wrestlers (provided they were willing to take it of course). Yeah i don't understand that. If i had the money i would rather try to buy and build up Ring of Honor or another big Indy promotion. They're estabilshed, have the talents, the name, everything. It would be easier to start from there than to start from scratch. Maybe it's the ego, it does sound better to say "i created everything" than "i bought them and invested tons of money". It certainly does sound interesting. Health benefits and everything would be great, especially for some of the wrestlers they signed (Yeah, i mean Sabu and Waltman) and the thing about non-scripted stuff is great. Give the wrestlers more freedom, if everything works out if would be like 80's WWF. I'd love it and even if not, i can't be worse than TNA (That's unpossible ;D ) Well, the advantages of creating something from scratch is that it gets more buzz. ROH and TNA aren't exactly breaking any records, and while the brand names have a certain value, TNA reportedly loses money hand over fist and is being kept afloat by Bob Carter and Spike and ROH I can't imagine is that profitable. From the snippets posted, this Wilpon guy sounds like he's go big or go home. He wants high risk, high reward. With ROH and TNA, there is high risk, but as companies, they both have proven the reward is thus far very low. Think about WCW. When Bischoff took over, it was losing literally tens of millions a year. He had to completely reinvent the brand name by bringing in the biggest brand in pro wrestling, Hulk Hogan. Since there really isn't a signature star out there that could do for TNA/ROH what Hogan did for WCW, it would be silly for Wilpon to purchase one of those companies with the go big or go home mentality. We've seen what the defections of Angle and Hogan have done for TNA. They moved the meter a little bit. And honestly, the way WWE is structured, where the brand is the most important promotional aspect, there is no one star that could defect that could carry over that level of interest. As an investor, it would take a significant amount of money for start up costs, but the reward becomes much higher if you are able to establish a brand new successful brand. From what little we know, it sounds like he's willing to go really big out of the gate, which is exciting and is what is really needed to be able to hit a home run. I'm not by any means saying this will work, but I'm pretty sure they're ready to go for the gold.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jul 15, 2010 21:18:42 GMT -5
...and ROH I can't imagine is that profitable. well lets see: - they spend little to no money on their tv tapings as HDNet pays for damn near everything, so its basically cheap/free publicity for them, and they do get a large share of the international distribution rights - their iPPVs are really cheap to produce, and all three have done close to or over 1000 buys - their dvds, despite not selling as strong as they once were, are still selling pretty well as evidenced by recent shows selling out - their downloadable dvds cost them no money except for the web domain - while some markets are down they still draw large crowds in New York, Toronto and Chicago true they may not be raking in the money like they were a few years ago, but honestly in this economy how exactly many companies are making less money now than they were a few years ago?
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Jul 15, 2010 21:30:57 GMT -5
with Jimmy Jacobs Larry Sweeney Prince Nana playing roles of managers Make it like 1980"s wrestling Add "Playboy" Don Douglas to that list, and you've definitely got my support.
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Post by romafan87 on Jul 15, 2010 21:34:29 GMT -5
...and ROH I can't imagine is that profitable. well lets see: - they spend little to no money on their tv tapings as HDNet pays for damn near everything, so its basically cheap/free publicity for them, and they do get a large share of the international distribution rights - their iPPVs are really cheap to produce, and all three have done close to or over 1000 buys - their dvds, despite not selling as strong as they once were, are still selling pretty well as evidenced by recent shows selling out - their downloadable dvds cost them no money except for the web domain - while some markets are down they still draw large crowds in New York, Toronto and Chicago true they may not be raking in the money like they were a few years ago, but honestly in this economy how exactly many companies are making less money now than they were a few years ago? And I knew this was coming. You really didn't read my post. There is an emphasis on that in "that much money". I never said they weren't making money. No company lasts 8 plus years without making money. I was implying that they weren't making millions of dollars which is exactly what these Wilpons are looking to do or else they would have tried to buy into ROH or TNA in the first place. This guy is a business man and made a business decision. He likely explored all of this. If you read his biography that was posted, he apparently loves, and is very successful at, starting companies from the ground up. If he puts $20-30 million in to start it up and goes balls to the wall and loses, it's honestly probably nothing to him, but he's willing to take that chance because he also likely sees the WWE machine and sees the dollar signs from live events, PPVs, ad revenue, merchandise, etc. Keep in mind the Wilpons lost nearly $300 million in the Madoff scandal and still have most of their larger investments. What's $20-30 million (more likely closer to $1-2) to start up a wrestling promotion?
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jul 15, 2010 21:40:55 GMT -5
No company lasts 8 plus years without making money.
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Post by Corporate H on Jul 15, 2010 21:44:52 GMT -5
Isn't there a "big new promotion in Florida" like every five years? Not saying I don't wanna see it happen, but I am doubtful.
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Post by romafan87 on Jul 15, 2010 22:05:11 GMT -5
No company lasts 8 plus years without making money. ;D
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Post by romafan87 on Jul 15, 2010 22:07:14 GMT -5
Isn't there a "big new promotion in Florida" like every five years? Not saying I don't wanna see it happen, but I am doubtful. Sure seems like it. XWF, MLW, and now TNA (although they did not start there). Probably forgot countless others.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Jul 15, 2010 22:17:06 GMT -5
Isn't there a "big new promotion in Florida" like every five years? Not saying I don't wanna see it happen, but I am doubtful. Sure seems like it. XWF, MLW, and now TNA (although they did not start there). Probably forgot countless others. Isn't XWF that promotion that Hogan was going to start up a few years ago? I'm not sure I'd count that, as it was mostly just Hogan talking crap so that he'd get another WWE payday. MLW was the ECW-like fed with Joey Styles commentating right? I know basically nothing else about that promotion, but how was it like this? Did they have a big financial backer? Because the videos I've seen of them made them look like a cheaper version of ECW. TNA didn't start in Florida, but I'd say it's the most comparable promotion to this one in terms of how it started. TNA started off with a few names and a bunch of great indy talent, and eventually turned into a big thing. I think there's a few pieces of information that make this sound like it should be taken a lot more seriously than stuff like WSX or that new MTV show. First, they've signed around 40 people to contracts so far. That means they've got enough for a full roster as it is. They're offering benefits packages which shows that not only are they pouring money into it, they want the guys to stick around and be happy. Also, the fact that they may be talking to WWE and TNA guys with contracts running up soon could mean some big things. I think if they can get Booker and Batista, along with some of the smaller names that were already listed, and a television deal, this company will already be at TNA's level.
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Post by H-Fist on Jul 15, 2010 22:25:12 GMT -5
Jack Evans Teddy Hart Larry Sweeny Alex Kozlov (correct me if I'm wrong) Sweeney is pretty much out of the business because of personal issues. The others are full time roster members down in Mexico who have only been used on occasion recently by ROH.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jul 15, 2010 22:28:09 GMT -5
Well, while most people are crapping the names released but you have to realize that between WWE and TNA. There isn't much star power out there so if there looking for PPV or a TV deal they need it to sell to the networks to say hey fans will watch because they heard of these guys so it will draw some kind of interest.. I'm not sure how much to write about the "big" TNA talent that there talking about because I'm sure he isn't going to leave a Promotion that has PPV and National TV deals for a company who doesn't have any signs of a PPV or TV deal of any kind. But this benfits could be something.
But I am all for this. It looks like they have a good money backing for it to become a big promotion. Which is all good for the indies wrestlers out there.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jul 15, 2010 22:28:12 GMT -5
Sure seems like it. XWF, MLW, and now TNA (although they did not start there). Probably forgot countless others. Isn't XWF that promotion that Hogan was going to start up a few years ago? I'm not sure I'd count that, as it was mostly just Hogan talking crap so that he'd get another WWE payday no, its the promotion Jimmy Hart created in 2001 right after WCW folded that used a lot of the bigger WCW guys who didn't go back to WWE (Curt Hennig, Roddy Piper, Bobby Heenan, Jim Duggan, Hulk Hogan, etc), and lasted a whopping four months.
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Post by Phil Parent on Jul 15, 2010 22:30:00 GMT -5
Sounds like some rich mark's plaything to me. Those never do good, unless the rich guy also owns a TV network.
EDIT: Which I now read this particular rich guy does. Well, the early names speculated on don't particularly inspire confidence anyway.
How about...here's this for a novel idea Mr. Rich Guy, how about going into amateur wrestling meets, scout a few big guys who want in the biz, and send them to Race/Dory for training, and then have a few trueborns you can build instead of using the 1996 PWI as your scouting lists?
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Post by Paco on Jul 15, 2010 22:31:56 GMT -5
Sounds like some rich mark's plaything to me. Those never do good, unless the rich guy also owns a TV network. That's the thing...he kinda does.
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Post by romafan87 on Jul 15, 2010 22:33:00 GMT -5
Sure seems like it. XWF, MLW, and now TNA (although they did not start there). Probably forgot countless others. Isn't XWF that promotion that Hogan was going to start up a few years ago? I'm not sure I'd count that, as it was mostly just Hogan talking crap so that he'd get another WWE payday. MLW was the ECW-like fed with Joey Styles commentating right? I know basically nothing else about that promotion, but how was it like this? Did they have a big financial backer? Because the videos I've seen of them made them look like a cheaper version of ECW. TNA didn't start in Florida, but I'd say it's the most comparable promotion to this one in terms of how it started. TNA started off with a few names and a bunch of great indy talent, and eventually turned into a big thing. I think there's a few pieces of information that make this sound like it should be taken a lot more seriously than stuff like WSX or that new MTV show. First, they've signed around 40 people to contracts so far. That means they've got enough for a full roster as it is. They're offering benefits packages which shows that not only are they pouring money into it, they want the guys to stick around and be happy. Also, the fact that they may be talking to WWE and TNA guys with contracts running up soon could mean some big things. I think if they can get Booker and Batista, along with some of the smaller names that were already listed, and a television deal, this company will already be at TNA's level. The difference is, TNA didn't have TV, they had those weekly PPVs. The Wilpons, I believe are majority owners of Sports New York, essentially the New York Fox Sports Net equivalent. If you can get a prime spot in the country's largest market out of the gate, with the possibility/probability of it expanding across a network of syndicated Fox Sports Networks if it's successful, that's a 40000% advantage over what TNA had to start with.
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Post by Phil Parent on Jul 15, 2010 22:35:32 GMT -5
Sounds like some rich mark's plaything to me. Those never do good, unless the rich guy also owns a TV network. That's the thing...he kinda does. I read that. It's a small one though. I'm not American, but I've never heard of SNY. Is it carried/available on regular cable nationwide? If not then, it's no difference than the regional TV many indies have, except that it's in NY.
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Post by romafan87 on Jul 15, 2010 22:45:37 GMT -5
That's the thing...he kinda does. I read that. It's a small one though. I'm not American, but I've never heard of SNY. Is it carried/available on regular cable nationwide? If not then, it's no difference than the regional TV many indies have, except that it's in NY. It's broadcast to the entire NYC market, which includes northern NJ, PA, CT, and upstate NY on basic cable and is available nationwide via Satellite. NYC alone makes up for 6% of the USA's media population/saturation. Its media market carries a couple more million, estimated up to 10 million people. It's significantly bigger than being an indy on TV. That's a hell of a jump start. Just read that SNY is actually connected more closely to the Comcast Sports Net franchise more than the Fox Sports one, which actually has a greater media penetration. Keep in mind, Comcast has been trying to buy NBC for at least two years now, too.
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