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Post by cabbageboy on May 31, 2010 9:59:17 GMT -5
I sense fat angle numero dos with TBP if she signs. I'm guessing that she will sign just to hype her CD some more, it should be running out of steam by then. Ding, ding, ding. We already saw the exact angle that TNA will do with Mickie James in WWE, namely the hot chicks saying she's fat and unattractive. To me, not only was the whole Piggy James angle not a draw, it actively made me change the channel. I think TNA's problem is that they are like a kid in a candy store. They rush to sign people, rush to put belts on them, and then after that there's nowhere to go. They do get that you have to have a build and chase for the eventual triumph.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on May 31, 2010 10:46:36 GMT -5
Your opinion. Lots of long-term fans have legit stopped watching after Hogan/Bischoff's reign of terror. And none of the expensive hires from the Hogan period actually accomplished what they were paid to do. and THAT's not an opinion, either? Not according to the ratings of that time frame.
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Post by Raja Lion on May 31, 2010 14:11:20 GMT -5
Im not much of a Mickie fan, but since Gail left, they NEED a woman with a name to revitalize the entire women's division. Mickie is easily more well known and popular than Gail, but I also think they need a heel on the level of Kong to really energize the division. I don't buy TBP as top heels because they're all sub-par in the ring. At least Mickie has the capability to carry a match.
As for cutbacks and that stuff, they can easily subsidize a contract with Panda Energy.
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Post by forgottensinpwf on May 31, 2010 14:16:59 GMT -5
I'd have no problems with it. I till think the E royally f***ed up on her.
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Post by Celgress on May 31, 2010 14:20:28 GMT -5
Im not much of a Mickie fan, but since Gail left, they NEED a woman with a name to revitalize the entire women's division. Mickie is easily more well known and popular than Gail, but I also think they need a heel on the level of Kong to really energize the division. I don't buy TBP as top heels because they're all sub-par in the ring. At least Mickie has the capability to carry a match. As for cutbacks and that stuff, they can easily subsidize a contract with Panda Energy. Indeed, Velvet and to a lesser degree Madison are not fantastic in the ring (yet). That is why I feel Love (upon her recovery) really needs to resume her role as heel leader of TBP, if the feud with Mickie is to work. Love was always the in ring work horse of the group back in the day. She knows her stuff, and could easily hang with Mickie in there.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on May 31, 2010 15:58:47 GMT -5
and THAT's not an opinion, either? Of course not, don't you know anything, when people praise TNA, it's an opinion, but when they bash it, it's absolute fact....jeeeez, get with the program ;D There is nothing wrong with stating you like TNA. However, stating it is failing is NOT an opinion when it is failing in all measurable ways. They are overspending which is measurable and not recouping on those investments which is measurable. They have lost viewers which is measurable. It may very well be putting on a better show, which at this point I wouldn't know, but they really do need to do something to make it a viable product. Plenty of great television shows disappear every year with less disappointing turn outs than TNA has produced. Opinions are how you feel about something, and facts can be suported with evidence. All evidence points that the TNA formula just doesn't work. How many viewers did Christy Hemme bring in per dollar paid versus Awesome Kong? How many viewers has Hogan brought in per dollar verse what Chris Daniels brought? Those are measurable numbers.
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Post by Sam Punk on May 31, 2010 19:12:30 GMT -5
This is awesome. I haven't watched TNA or WWE in forever but this would get me to tune in. Maybe.
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Post by Parrish on May 31, 2010 19:21:11 GMT -5
7-10k buys on their ppvs.....more people order Horny Dorm Room Hotties on ppv than order TNA ppvs. Is it really that low? I've been looking for numbers on recent buyrates. Where did you find this out? I'm just giving TNA a hard time, but there were reports internally that one of their ppvs had around 6k buys, I am sure they aren't doing much more than 10k buys for a ppv since that point... But we'll never know because TNA doesn't release the buy rates, only time I can remember them doing it was when they were bragging that Joe vs Angle did like 50k buys.
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Post by AriadosMan on May 31, 2010 19:24:06 GMT -5
If they have anything remotely resembling a significant ratings/buyrates achievement, they will play it up like it's the MASH finale. Remember when they bragged about "UK Domination" or whatever they said when they had a UK ratings win? The silence says alot.
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Post by Celgress on Jun 1, 2010 9:39:28 GMT -5
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Jun 1, 2010 10:17:01 GMT -5
I'm still surprised Scott Steiner hasn't weighed in on this one yet. I don't think that she'll make any difference. Just another log on a fire that's just hot coals right now.
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Post by joeiscool on Jun 1, 2010 10:59:40 GMT -5
Of course not, don't you know anything, when people praise TNA, it's an opinion, but when they bash it, it's absolute fact....jeeeez, get with the program ;D There is nothing wrong with stating you like TNA. However, stating it is failing is NOT an opinion when it is failing in all measurable ways. They are overspending which is measurable and not recouping on those investments which is measurable. They have lost viewers which is measurable. It may very well be putting on a better show, which at this point I wouldn't know, but they really do need to do something to make it a viable product. Plenty of great television shows disappear every year with less disappointing turn outs than TNA has produced. Opinions are how you feel about something, and facts can be suported with evidence. All evidence points that the TNA formula just doesn't work. How many viewers did Christy Hemme bring in per dollar paid versus Awesome Kong? How many viewers has Hogan brought in per dollar verse what Chris Daniels brought? Those are measurable numbers. We do not know if they are failing. Just because Monday didn't work does not mean it's failing in all "measurable ways." The fact that spike seems interested in adding more tna time to thursday shows they are not failing all the way..
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Post by poontangler on Jun 1, 2010 14:28:11 GMT -5
Okay...as disenchanted I am with TNA's product, FAILING is not the correct word right now. UNDERPERFORMING would be more correct. Facts are fact. The ratings declined a lot and their fixes haven't fixed anything. It's fairly well known that their PPV buyrates have been bad-to-awful, bad enough that they refuse to release the numbers themselves. If the ratings continue to decline, then we can start breaking out the "F" word.
Using SpikeTV adding more TNA programming to prove they're not floundering doesn't work either. Most of Spike's programming gets ratings that make TNA's look like Attitude-era WWE.
Now, I think it would be a good idea to sign Mickie, but I certainly don't think it will affect the ratings positively or negatively. The focus needs to be on the men's division, as that is what will make or break the company.
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Post by renzino on Jun 1, 2010 15:12:34 GMT -5
I usually try to stay far away from any threads involving Mickie James, but since it's in the TNA section I will post my thoughts.
I don't know if she will help the KO division or not at this point. But I have a feeling that if Mickie does sign with TNA and gets an automatic main event push and KO title run along with a big payday (I just don't see her coming in for cheap) that she's probably going to get some resentment from the other women in the division.
Also TNA really needs to sit down and decide who their going to use on a regular basis who their not and who their going to release before bringing in any more talent IMO.
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Post by wcw on Jun 1, 2010 15:36:03 GMT -5
I usually try to stay far away from any threads involving Mickie James, but since it's in the TNA section I will post my thoughts. I don't know if she will help the KO division or not at this point. But I have a feeling that if Mickie does sign with TNA and gets an automatic main event push and KO title run along with a big payday (I just don't see her coming in for cheap) that she's probably going to get some resentment from the other women in the division. Also TNA really needs to sit down and decide who their going to use on a regular basis who their not and who their going to release before bringing in any more talent IMO. That's why I feel like TNA should wait at least 6-8 months before bringing James in. Because right now she will hold up TNA for money thinking that her music career will take off. But if her album tanks she is going to need that expose to help her careers. Which means TNA would have the hammer in that situation. Also by bringing her in later you get a chance to organize the KO division. By getting everyone an organized spot you can give James a great debut.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 1, 2010 16:17:47 GMT -5
I usually try to stay far away from any threads involving Mickie James, but since it's in the TNA section I will post my thoughts. I don't know if she will help the KO division or not at this point. But I have a feeling that if Mickie does sign with TNA and gets an automatic main event push and KO title run along with a big payday (I just don't see her coming in for cheap) that she's probably going to get some resentment from the other women in the division. Also TNA really needs to sit down and decide who their going to use on a regular basis who their not and who their going to release before bringing in any more talent IMO. That's why I feel like TNA should wait at least 6-8 months before bringing James in. Because right now she will hold up TNA for money thinking that her music career will take off. But if her album tanks she is going to need that expose to help her careers. Which means TNA would have the hammer in that situation. Also by bringing her in later you get a chance to organize the KO division. By getting everyone an organized spot you can give James a great debut. That'd be a great plan, but then we've seen that TNA has never gone with a long term business plan. So I'm guessing she'll debut immediately after she signs and gets the KO title within 2 months of her debut.
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Post by Parrish on Jun 1, 2010 16:21:01 GMT -5
within 2 months?? She would be champion after 2 weeks with the way TNA books
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jun 1, 2010 16:30:01 GMT -5
This is odd. A Mickie James thread and the customary argument within the confines of the thread isn't about Mickie James at all. Even your serious post seem jovial.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jun 1, 2010 16:31:34 GMT -5
I'm still surprised Scott Steiner hasn't weighed in on this one yet. I don't think that she'll make any difference. Just another log on a fire that's just hot coals right now. Ah come on, he'd just say the same thing he said to Jackie Gayda.
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Post by joeiscool on Jun 1, 2010 17:22:28 GMT -5
Okay...as disenchanted I am with TNA's product, FAILING is not the correct word right now. UNDERPERFORMING would be more correct. Facts are fact. The ratings declined a lot and their fixes haven't fixed anything. It's fairly well known that their PPV buyrates have been bad-to-awful, bad enough that they refuse to release the numbers themselves. If the ratings continue to decline, then we can start breaking out the "F" word. Using SpikeTV adding more TNA programming to prove they're not floundering doesn't work either. Most of Spike's programming gets ratings that make TNA's look like Attitude-era WWE. Now, I think it would be a good idea to sign Mickie, but I certainly don't think it will affect the ratings positively or negatively. The focus needs to be on the men's division, as that is what will make or break the company. A: it seems like ratings are getting better since the move back to Thursday. Yes it does prove that they are not floundering. Only the people involved in tna can determine what is failure. If spike is happy enough with their performance to give them another show they obviously are not a bad or struggling show in their eyes. :-\
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