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Post by Nuke is Good on Jun 14, 2010 15:47:53 GMT -5
Extremely exaggerated opinion on Rey:
He's as injury prone as Mr. Kennedy, and injures as many as people as New Jack does.
More down to Earth opinion:
Rey as an underdog but still wins? Reminds me of the Supercena reign but not convincing at all. His wrestling style doesn't fit his age anymore, he should change it or retire. Sometimes I think his, dropping the dime move looks like he is falling over the ropes.
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Post by Kris Kobain on Jun 15, 2010 1:47:48 GMT -5
I don't see the injury argument. He cut open Punk once which seems to have been a bit bad but hasn't affect his own work and Punk himself cut people open with the GTS on occassion. And the Undertaker incident is largely an isolated incident that was from a botched Senton Bomb more than the 619 from what I've heard. It's put Undertaker on the shelf for a few months but nothing more than that. The injury prone argument just seems to come from pointing out that these happened in the space of less than two weeks more than anything. Rey is still a very talented wrestler that connects with the WWE's audience really well. If you'v got a problem with his booking, shouldn't the bookers get their blame in that as opposed to the wrestler? Not when the guy has reportedly thrown fits backstage about his pushes.
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King Devitt
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Post by King Devitt on Jun 15, 2010 3:55:52 GMT -5
as said in other posts:
-He does the same thing every match. every feud.
-The feuds themselves aren't interesting.
-i respect the performer in the end, but not the guy. most stories i've heard are real bad. but then again it's hearsay. he's a reverse Cena, whom i can't stand his character but respect him as a person.
-Credibility against everyone.
-Always being the underdog. which would work if he was booked like one.
-Tiny Cena.
all stuff that's been mentioned.
his promo's don't bother me, never have. the fact that he's slower doesn't bother me, never has. it's just there's nothing to spark an interest other than him being a living 'cartoon-ish' character for kids to get behind.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jun 15, 2010 4:02:02 GMT -5
I wish Rey was booked more of how he was in WCW. He wrestled more with guys his size but when he was the Giant Killer, he got the living hell beat out of him the entire match before squeaking the win out of nowhere.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jun 15, 2010 4:08:00 GMT -5
The biggest reason I don't think people like Rey is because he is small. I've never seen Shawn Michaels get this type of heat from the IWC. Sure Michaels isn't as small but he complained backstage more than anyone else in the history of WWE and practically became crippled just like Rey doing his high flying style.
The only reason Michaels doesn't get the same hate(which I don't think he deserves anymore than Rey) is because he is six inches taller.
Do you know when I first started noticing the bandwagon backlash against Rey? The first One Night Stand. AFter that PPV it was like everyone on the internet hated him and I remember like it was an overnight thing. That is why I call it a BANDWAGON thing.
Most of the complaints I've heard is based on how he is booked. Rey had no choice in the Eddie exploitation crap. The wrestler say what they are told to say in WWE and that is how it's been since 2003 when Stephanie took over as head writer.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jun 15, 2010 4:11:26 GMT -5
I still wonder if Rey would have this much hate still going for him if Eddie wouldn't have passed away and he would have dropped the title to him at Mania like I assumed was going to happen. Instead we got that half assed three way between him and Angle and Orton and one of the worst title reigns of all time.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jun 15, 2010 4:13:52 GMT -5
It only seemed to manifest recently when he cut open Punk and broke Undertaker's face within a week of each other. Add that to his somewhat hypocritical, lop-sided booking, appeal to children and alleged political plays, and you have a perfect recipe for (majority) IWC hate.
To be honest, it's a bit harsh to call him "dangerous" in terms of injuring other wrestlers. Just because two freak accidents happened within a week of each other does not mean that Mysterio is an injury specialist, especially when the only other televised incident involving Mysterio's knee brace causing injuries was 2 and a half years ago with Matt Hardy. I think 3 accidents in 2 and a half years sounds a lot better than 2 accidents in 1 week, although 0 would be better.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 15, 2010 4:18:48 GMT -5
The biggest reason I don't think people like Rey is because he is small. I've never seen Shawn Michaels get this type of heat from the IWC. Sure Michaels isn't as small but he complained backstage more than anyone else in the history of WWE and practically became crippled just like Rey doing his high flying style. The only reason Michaels doesn't get the same hate(which I don't think he deserves anymore than Rey) is because he is six inches taller. Do you know when I first started noticing the bandwagon backlash against Rey? The first One Night Stand. AFter that PPV it was like everyone on the internet hated him and I remember like it was an overnight thing. That is why I call it a BANDWAGON thing. Most of the complaints I've heard is based on how he is booked. Rey had no choice in the Eddie exploitation crap. The wrestler say what they are told to say in WWE and that is how it's been since 2003 when Stephanie took over as head writer. It's not got much to do with his size, other than it's a bit unbelivable for him to be the underdog then ALWAYS win. It's that he's turned into a boring performer. Yes, Michaels got hate, and yes, they were both small, but the reason HBK tends to get more praise is that he never really stagnated as a performer. Rey has. He does the exact same match, every match, no matter who his opponent is, and it gets wearying. That, and the fact that he's had no character growth since Eddie died, combines to form a bad picture.
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Post by Kris Kobain on Jun 15, 2010 4:23:11 GMT -5
lol @ the guy who is #1 on the top 25 rankings being the underdog.
As far as Rey having no say in the tribute to Eddy storyline that isn't even true. Vickie herself said Rey WANTED to do it and she and Chavo both said they thought Eddy would have liked it. I'm sure the only reason Chavo wasn't the one to do it was because Rey was more marketable. Even if Chavo had been the one to do it I still would have found it tasteless regarding everyone involved.
Shawn is 6 inches taller? And what 40 pounds heavier? If Kane was 7 feet tall and only 185 pounds I wouldn't believe him beating up someone like the Big Show. Why is it when people see "small" all they think of is height?
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Post by Matt Dunn on Jun 15, 2010 5:09:09 GMT -5
There are better wrestlers who never won the WHC. I did like him as tag and IC Champ, though.
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Post by dav on Jun 15, 2010 8:27:25 GMT -5
So if Eddy's family gave him their blessing, what's the problem with that?
Key word, reportedly.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2010 10:49:38 GMT -5
He's still a heck of an in ring performer, imo, but his character absolutely bores me. I'd rather see someone else in his spot right now; I feel like I've seen all I'm going to see out of him and that it's time to move on.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jun 15, 2010 12:05:18 GMT -5
It could be a lot worse. They could have an angle where he lost his mask again and went back to being wannabe gangsta Rey as in WCW.
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Post by Kris Kobain on Jun 15, 2010 12:11:56 GMT -5
So if Eddy's family gave him their blessing, what's the problem with that? Key word, reportedly. It's still capitalizing on Eddy's death no matter how you look at it. That's why I said I blame everyone involved. It was just Vickie and Chavo by the way that said that. In case you didn't see the rest of Eddy's family was upset by the explotation of Eddy's death. Both in that and in the Vickie/Edge storyline. Vckie is in bad standing with Eddy's family according to one of the Gurerro's. I don't remember which one did the interview.
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Post by immortalphenom on Jun 15, 2010 12:45:37 GMT -5
I'm just sick of him. He's wrestled the same match, with the same outcome, for going on 8 years now, and he can't even do half of his old moves anymore. Not to mention he buries almost as many people as Triple H these days (see: Dolph Ziggler, CM Punk, Jack Swagger).
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Post by Kris Kobain on Jun 15, 2010 12:50:30 GMT -5
By the way
Rey is the most despised person on these boards? I think that's quite the stretch in itself.
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Post by Rorschach on Jun 15, 2010 13:02:18 GMT -5
Balm for the soul of those of us who are tired as HELL of Rey Rey's little schtick. THIS is how his matches against guys this size should usually ALWAYS go, if they want to book him as a true underdog.
Minus the stretcher spot. That was just icing on the cake. ;D
EDIT: And listen....the platitudes about Rey's heart,and him being the pitiful underdog are in FULL EFFECT.
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Post by dav on Jun 15, 2010 15:27:57 GMT -5
CM Punk still has his place on the roster and his heat and Rey's beaten Swagger in one televised match. It isn't Rey that's buried Swagger, a good portion of the Smackdown roster more than helped in that regard. Dolph seems largely to have been the product of trying to build up the IC title as much as other factors.
That said they gave their blessing to the angle you mean?
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Post by Kris Kobain on Jun 15, 2010 15:40:31 GMT -5
CM Punk still has his place on the roster and his heat and Rey's beaten Swagger in one televised match. It isn't Rey that's buried Swagger, a good portion of the Smackdown roster more than helped in that regard. Dolph seems largely to have been the product of trying to build up the IC title as much as other factors. That said they gave their blessing to the angle you mean? It wasn't even that they gave thier blessings really. It was after/during the angle when some fans were upset by it they said that Eddy would have liked it. I think it was Hector who did an interview during the Edge/Vickie storyline who said that the family was upset that the WWE continued to exploit Eddy's death starting with Rey's "tribute" he and the other members of Eddy's family felt the WWE and Rey were just capitalizing on it for the money they could make off Rey and if they really wanted to do it as a tribute then it should have been Chavo. He also said that Vicky quit talking to Eddy's side of the family after Eddy's funeral and they were really hurt by that.
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Post by Greer on Jun 15, 2010 16:23:31 GMT -5
If WWE had a cruserweight division for guys to feud with him it would be much better. The reason he was so popular and good in WCW was because he had solid feauds with Malenko, and Eddie, and Syxx. The cruserweight belt was important and so were the feuds. On top of that he was wrestling guys in his weight division.
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