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Post by wcw on Jun 8, 2010 17:03:08 GMT -5
Saw the clip on YouTube to see what all the fuss was about. This angle would have worked if it involved guys anywhere near the magnitude of Hogan, Hall, and Nash (or just Hall and Nash since Hogan is too high a standard). That worked because WCW guys were going to sell for them and it was realistic given the star power involved. I doubt HHH, Undertaker, and others are going to be as friendly with beatdowns as Cena was. If AJ Styles and Samoa Joe left TNA, signed with WWE, and did this, I would have been intrigued. A bunch of rookies? It will not last long. Well I think the comparisons to the NWO are very unwarranted and hyperbolic. All in all I think that this angle could be something good nothing epic like the NWO or anything like that BUT the NXT vs WWE angle could be cool and one of the best things to happen to the WWE in like 5-7 years. I think guys like HHH and other big guys by themselves will sell a beat down by 8 guys like Cena did. BUT will Cena, HHH, and Edge in the same ring sell to NXT 1? That I don't know is the WWE going to want to make their established guys look bad to a bunch of rookies? This angle could be good but it had a really cool moment to start it.
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Post by Matt Dunn on Jun 8, 2010 17:09:43 GMT -5
This is as good a reason as any for me to quit reading spoilers for a while.
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Post by "The Rated XXX Superstar" Jed on Jun 8, 2010 17:09:36 GMT -5
On a side note, I now feel really stupid that I didn't know there was wood in a wrestling ring.
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Post by mikep660 on Jun 8, 2010 17:10:07 GMT -5
I was thinking... Someone in a post had asked what tonight is going to be like. What if all of the pros and the new rooks are introduced, and then the {N} faction comes out, the Season 2 rookies join them in destroying the pros, the set, etc., and just take over the show how they see fit? I could see Joe Hennig and the Rotundo kid being pissed about their names, Kaval pissed about his "pros," and the others look like they could easily fit in with the {N} group. Especially a large "enforcer" type like Eli Cottonwood. Give these new guys an armband (the nWo shirt of the Wild & Young years!) and they're in.
And as for who is behind it all, there is one person we haven't seen in a while who has been with these guys in FCW for years: Abraham Washington. Not the best mouthpiece for the group, but at least it isn't as predictable as Vince or Cole.
Funny, it took this storyline happening for me to post here after years of reading everyone's thoughts out of amusement lol...
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jun 8, 2010 17:11:39 GMT -5
This angle would have worked if it involved guys anywhere near the magnitude of Hogan, Hall, and Nash. That worked because WCW guys were going to sell for them and it was realistic given the star power involved. I doubt HHH, Undertaker, and others are going to be as friendly with beatdowns as Cena was. If AJ Styles and Samoa Joe left TNA, signed with WWE, and did this, I would have been intrigued. A bunch of rookies? It will not last long. Magnitude of what? It was 8 guys beating down everything in sight. Are you saying that this didn't work because they were not as prolific as Hogan etc? Thats B.S. It was, among others, a guy who wears a tiny cowboy hat and has the catchphrase "Yep yep yep, what it do!", a guy who fails so utterly at everything he attempts that he winds up with Carlito mentoring him, a goofy party animal with a big afro, a cute young Evan Bourne-like flippy guy, and a guy with no discernable talents other than having a face that people want to punch. And David Otunga, who isn't good for much of anything besides marketing his pseudo-borderline-celebrity status, but still has more credibility as an effective heel than those bozos, which is saying something. And we're supposed to buy them as this incredible threat that will decimate WWE. Are you really saying you can't understand why this might come off as desperate and silly to some of us?
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Post by Baixo Astral on Jun 8, 2010 17:13:45 GMT -5
I can understand why you think it's silly, but I think you're labouring that point - if they don't make a thing of the 'rookies' pointing out that they were pushed into behaving that way, then they're missing the boat. They definitely weren't behaving that way last night.
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Post by "The Rated XXX Superstar" Jed on Jun 8, 2010 17:14:48 GMT -5
I was thinking... Someone in a post had asked what tonight is going to be like. What if all of the pros and the new rooks are introduced, and then the {N} faction comes out, the Season 2 rookies join them in destroying the pros, the set, etc., and just take over the show how they see fit? I could see Joe Hennig and the Rotundo kid being pissed about their names, Kaval pissed about his "pros," and the others look like they could easily fit in with the {N} group. Especially a large "enforcer" type like Eli Cottonwood. Give these new guys an armband (the nWo shirt of the Wild & Young years!) and they're in. My thoughts exactly. But not the Abe Washington thing.
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Post by wcw on Jun 8, 2010 17:19:32 GMT -5
I was thinking... Someone in a post had asked what tonight is going to be like. What if all of the pros and the new rooks are introduced, and then the {N} faction comes out, the Season 2 rookies join them in destroying the pros, the set, etc., and just take over the show how they see fit? I could see Joe Hennig and the Rotundo kid being pissed about their names, Kaval pissed about his "pros," and the others look like they could easily fit in with the {N} group. Especially a large "enforcer" type like Eli Cottonwood. Give these new guys an armband (the nWo shirt of the Wild & Young years!) and they're in. And as for who is behind it all, there is one person we haven't seen in a while who has been with these guys in FCW for years: Abraham Washington. Not the best mouthpiece for the group, but at least it isn't as predictable as Vince or Cole. Funny, it took this storyline happening for me to post here after years of reading everyone's thoughts out of amusement lol... A 16 man faction? Isn't that overbooking it a little? If you had all 16 NXT rookies join it would just be stupid and no one would get over. That being said if later in the angle once the WWE vets started getting the upper hand you saw a few guys like Kaval, Cottonwood, and Joe Hennig join to beef up the faction it might work. But you just can't have a 16 man faction.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Jun 8, 2010 17:24:47 GMT -5
IF they did the 16 stable group, they could try to take both shows, in 2 factions, but still, I prefer only 8 guys
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jun 8, 2010 17:26:04 GMT -5
You know, I hope my Anti-Cena thing doesn't ead into this,but for this to be really effective, shouldn't Cena not be on TV for a couple months, to sell the NXT guys a a truly legitimate threat?
Also, I think they proved last night that the voting wasn't rigged, because if it was, eouldn't they have had Cena-Swagger so the NXT guys could have destroyed both champions?
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Post by The Saviour on Jun 8, 2010 17:35:56 GMT -5
Magnitude of what? It was 8 guys beating down everything in sight. Are you saying that this didn't work because they were not as prolific as Hogan etc? Thats B.S. It was, among others, a guy who wears a tiny cowboy hat and has the catchphrase "Yep yep yep, what it do!", a guy who fails so utterly at everything he attempts that he winds up with Carlito mentoring him, a goofy party animal with a big afro, a cute young Evan Bourne-like flippy guy, and a guy with no discernable talents other than having a face that people want to punch. And David Otunga, who isn't good for much of anything besides marketing his pseudo-borderline-celebrity status, but still has more credibility as an effective heel than those bozos, which is saying something. And we're supposed to buy them as this incredible threat that will decimate WWE. Are you really saying you can't understand why this might come off as desperate and silly to some of us? Desperate and silly? Thats all very well and good listing each individual flaw but they attacked as a unit and they did a damn good job of it To be honest, if people are so clueless as to who they are then perhaps they should take the time to follow WWE more carefully before ranting about a bunch of ''nobodies''.
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Post by Iceking251980A on Jun 8, 2010 17:49:27 GMT -5
I like to see tonight on NXT, this continuing and Joe Henning cutting a promo on how his name change sucked and stuff.
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Post by Brick Killed a Guy on Jun 8, 2010 17:51:05 GMT -5
I think I know why they targeted Cena and Punk. Neither of them really cared about NXT.
Cena was supposed to appear on an episode of NXT. He didn't show.
Punk constantly showed he never cared about the show. Even walked out during the finale.
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Post by repomark on Jun 8, 2010 17:56:52 GMT -5
Just watched this and that was an absolutely brilliant ending. They gave it a "real" feel by having them just completely decimate the set and the ring - one of the best things they have done on Raw in a long time. Hopefully this leads to big things - I can honestly say I did not see that coming. I thought a Wade Barrett run in costing Cena the match maybe - but never that.
Absolutely superb. This combined with Kane cutting superb promos on Raw and the Undertaker storyline and I am actually in the rare position of really enjoying both shows!
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Post by Ridley on Jun 8, 2010 18:05:19 GMT -5
I don't want McMahon or Cole or etc. responsible, I want the eight to have done it off their own back. Or at a push Wade Barrett, the only (I hope) employed member. What I'd like is there to now be a state of fear in the WWE from introducing a little anarchy. NXT Season 2 rookies needn't (shouldn't, personally) join NXT 1 but I'd sure like to see the consequences falling on those new guys by the pros as a reaction to the first group. Don't want it happening again after all.
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Post by noah9322 on Jun 8, 2010 18:25:15 GMT -5
I don't want McMahon or Cole or etc. responsible, I want the eight to have done it off their own back. Or at a push Wade Barrett, the only (I hope) employed member. What I'd like is there to now be a state of fear in the WWE from introducing a little anarchy. NXT Season 2 rookies needn't (shouldn't, personally) join NXT 1 but I'd sure like to see the consequences falling on those new guys by the pros as a reaction to the first group. Don't want it happening again after all. It would be cool if one of the Season 2 guys asked to join the N Faction but the N Faction beats him down.
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Post by judodave on Jun 8, 2010 18:26:21 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2010 18:37:22 GMT -5
Hey, I like hostile takeover/mass chaos angles when done right, and last night was pretty good. Again, all I am saying is when you deal with characters that the audience doesn't really know too well, and thrust them into stretcher angles with a top babyface, it is going to be hard to sustain moving forward because that is not enough of an establishing to make them credible. Daniel Bryan spit on Cena and kicked him. Ok, but is anyone going to look at him as a legit threat if they faced 1-on-1? TNA gets 1 to 2 million viewers every week. Fans would probably have some clue who Joe and Styles were, even if they were not avid TNA watchers (although a good percentage would have no clue either). In that case it would be simple. Have Joe come out, he'd be recognizable to the percentage that know of him, and he'll be easy to build up to the ones that aren't familiar with him. If NO ONE was familiar with him, then it would be damn difficult to put a Joe/Cena match and have people give a crap about it. That is the scenario I see with this angle, where they climaxed too early and won't have anywhere to go from here. Again, I am not an avid WWE fan, just watched the YouTube clip because of the buzz here so I could be wrong. Unless Vince is the "higher power" in this angle, it'll be hard to sell the fans on those guys being legit threats to the WWE's top stars. But who are AJ Styles and Samoa Joe to a mainstream audience? The inherent issue with your point is just as many people watch NXT as TNA and those watching NXT are probably already watching Raw on Monday night. This group makes a ton more sense than any of the TNA names that weren't previously in the WWE, as those guys don't have anywhere near the exposure as Hall and Nash did when they showed up in WCW. Samoa Joe and AJ Styles show up and its "Whose the fat guy and short guy?" to most people watching. It certainly has "flash in a pan" potential, but using TNA guys makes it almost less shocking (its already been done), less relevant (again, TNA's audience is as big as NXT's audience) and less impactful (bad pun, but the NXT guys are at least relevant to the audience watching Raw). I'm hoping this is played as young guys done wrong by the establishment and forced to do stupid things instead of doing what they do best (wrestle), with a puppet master pulling the strings to unleash their frustrations on the establishment, not nWo version 420204289 1/3. Assuming that is true (don't follow NXT's ratings), wouldn't that be more of a glaring issue with this angle? Were the NXT guys portrayed as threats or main eventers prior to last night? If not, then that makes the follow-up of the beatdown even harder to book realistically. If the same number of viewers that watched NXT watch Impact, then they'll see Joe beating the crap out of people and Styles holding the belt for 7-8 months. Is it the same as Hall and Nash in 96? Of course not, not even close. But it would have more potential, IMO. At least in that scenario they would be taking another company's top stars and featuring them, rather than taking indy guys and pushing them to the moon with limited build.
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Post by rrm15 on Jun 8, 2010 18:39:54 GMT -5
I totally expect Barret as WWE Champion in the NEAR future.
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Post by Matt Dunn on Jun 8, 2010 18:40:31 GMT -5
I totally expect Barret as WWE Champion in the NEAR future. Ditto.
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