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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2010 18:40:45 GMT -5
Magnitude of what? It was 8 guys beating down everything in sight. Are you saying that this didn't work because they were not as prolific as Hogan etc? Thats B.S. It was, among others, a guy who wears a tiny cowboy hat and has the catchphrase "Yep yep yep, what it do!", a guy who fails so utterly at everything he attempts that he winds up with Carlito mentoring him, a goofy party animal with a big afro, a cute young Evan Bourne-like flippy guy, and a guy with no discernable talents other than having a face that people want to punch. And David Otunga, who isn't good for much of anything besides marketing his pseudo-borderline-celebrity status, but still has more credibility as an effective heel than those bozos, which is saying something. And we're supposed to buy them as this incredible threat that will decimate WWE. Are you really saying you can't understand why this might come off as desperate and silly to some of us? My thoughts exactly. The minute Cena or HHH or Taker, etc, have to face these guys 1-on-1, the matches and outcomes will be so one sided that last night will become a blur. No fan is going to buy these guys as main eventers.....unless they plan on having all 8 wrestle at once every time.
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Post by mrrotten on Jun 8, 2010 19:16:50 GMT -5
Whatever happened to Cole?
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Post by BorneAgain on Jun 8, 2010 19:16:48 GMT -5
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Post by celticjobber on Jun 8, 2010 19:20:41 GMT -5
I didn't read all 7 pages, but has anyone noticed Jericho's last message on Twitter?
Congrats to Wade Barrett for taking charge and making an impact, just as I told him too... about 2 hours ago via txt
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Post by John Cena's Boner on Jun 8, 2010 19:27:02 GMT -5
How did Tarver screw up?
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Post by biggdeez40 on Jun 8, 2010 19:28:48 GMT -5
But who are AJ Styles and Samoa Joe to a mainstream audience? The inherent issue with your point is just as many people watch NXT as TNA and those watching NXT are probably already watching Raw on Monday night. This group makes a ton more sense than any of the TNA names that weren't previously in the WWE, as those guys don't have anywhere near the exposure as Hall and Nash did when they showed up in WCW. Samoa Joe and AJ Styles show up and its "Whose the fat guy and short guy?" to most people watching. It certainly has "flash in a pan" potential, but using TNA guys makes it almost less shocking (its already been done), less relevant (again, TNA's audience is as big as NXT's audience) and less impactful (bad pun, but the NXT guys are at least relevant to the audience watching Raw). I'm hoping this is played as young guys done wrong by the establishment and forced to do stupid things instead of doing what they do best (wrestle), with a puppet master pulling the strings to unleash their frustrations on the establishment, not nWo version 420204289 1/3. Assuming that is true (don't follow NXT's ratings), wouldn't that be more of a glaring issue with this angle? Were the NXT guys portrayed as threats or main eventers prior to last night? If not, then that makes the follow-up of the beatdown even harder to book realistically. If the same number of viewers that watched NXT watch Impact, then they'll see Joe beating the crap out of people and Styles holding the belt for 7-8 months. Is it the same as Hall and Nash in 96? Of course not, not even close. But it would have more potential, IMO. At least in that scenario they would be taking another company's top stars and featuring them, rather than taking indy guys and pushing them to the moon with limited build. I don't see what difference it makes. Unknown is unkown. Doesn't matter what Joe and Styles were doing in TNA if nobody watching WWE knows. I don't think that there are that many crossover fans that watch both shows. Barrett and Bryan are probably more well known to the casual WWE viewer than Styles and Joe are. Besides, it will be interesting to see an invasion angle with younger, less established (yet still WWE's own) talent. Maybe they won't feel the need to overprotect their own guys like they did when WCW and ECW invaded.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jun 8, 2010 19:38:42 GMT -5
BTW how did this not happen to the arena? I mean, Black Cena beat up White Cena. I thought it was foretold by the Mayans that the world would end if that happened.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Jun 8, 2010 19:39:31 GMT -5
Whatever happened to Cole? He ran off as soon as King started getting attacked. I don't have so USA I can't watch RAW as it happens, but I came on after the show ended to see what happened and noticed a HUGE commotion on here. So I go to youtube and they have the ending uploaded, and man, I haven't seen a send-off like that in years. Felt like I was watching something truly monumental happen. Whatever follows from here, they've sure put in a hell of a first chapter. I loved that they all seemed equal to each other, except for Bryan and Wade who looked a bit more like the shot-callers. But all 8 of them came out looking like a force I haven't seen since the NWO's prime. I'm cautiously optimistic, but man was that awesome.
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Jun 8, 2010 19:41:13 GMT -5
Just seen what happened, and Damn that was Fricken Awesome!!!!
I think the last time i generally marked out this much was when Randy Orton Kicked Vince in the Skull...
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Post by kingoftheiwc on Jun 8, 2010 19:52:19 GMT -5
The only thing missing from this was a WCW style trash throwing audience. That would of made it NWO 1996 esque.
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Post by Matt Dunn on Jun 8, 2010 19:54:18 GMT -5
People are STILL posting Spoilers for NXT and Smackdown? Awful!!!
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Post by Kevin's Thorn on Jun 8, 2010 19:54:46 GMT -5
Whoever's behind the writing for the Undertaker conspiracy storyline, and this NXT Brood War, I want to shake their hand.
If it's Stephanie MAC-man, I want to slap dat ass shortly after shaking her hand.
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Post by Matt Dunn on Jun 8, 2010 19:56:11 GMT -5
If it's Stephanie, I'm nominating this for gooker.
Someone said the heel authority figure is passe'. So is the "higher power."
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Post by Mr. Backlund on Jun 8, 2010 20:02:39 GMT -5
But who are AJ Styles and Samoa Joe to a mainstream audience? The inherent issue with your point is just as many people watch NXT as TNA and those watching NXT are probably already watching Raw on Monday night. This group makes a ton more sense than any of the TNA names that weren't previously in the WWE, as those guys don't have anywhere near the exposure as Hall and Nash did when they showed up in WCW. Samoa Joe and AJ Styles show up and its "Whose the fat guy and short guy?" to most people watching. It certainly has "flash in a pan" potential, but using TNA guys makes it almost less shocking (its already been done), less relevant (again, TNA's audience is as big as NXT's audience) and less impactful (bad pun, but the NXT guys are at least relevant to the audience watching Raw). I'm hoping this is played as young guys done wrong by the establishment and forced to do stupid things instead of doing what they do best (wrestle), with a puppet master pulling the strings to unleash their frustrations on the establishment, not nWo version 420204289 1/3. Assuming that is true (don't follow NXT's ratings), wouldn't that be more of a glaring issue with this angle? Were the NXT guys portrayed as threats or main eventers prior to last night? If not, then that makes the follow-up of the beatdown even harder to book realistically. If the same number of viewers that watched NXT watch Impact, then they'll see Joe beating the crap out of people and Styles holding the belt for 7-8 months. Is it the same as Hall and Nash in 96? Of course not, not even close. But it would have more potential, IMO. At least in that scenario they would be taking another company's top stars and featuring them, rather than taking indy guys and pushing them to the moon with limited build. I'm assuming this isn't a nWo rehash (at least hoping it is) to begin with. I think the point is these are young guys who "got done wrong" by the E and are going to make noise their own way. Some of the talent is established as a potential threat, but they're attacking in a pack. I'll see where it goes before condemning it. On TNA (and apologies to any fan of the company) its not relevant to mainstream wrestling fans. Its got its niche and shows potential at times, but its not even in the equation. The people who watch Joe and AJ are probably not the same people watching Raw. Some? Sure, but its not a 100% crossover market and there's still 3-4 times as many people watching Raw. It'll play out like a fat guy and a "vanilla midget", with no previous exposure to the E audience and no motive to do anything besides look like a really, really crappy nWo. This is hopefully a fresh take on an invasion angle, not another rehash of outsiders trying to kill the company. Besides, bringing in Joe and AJ in that fashion forces WWE to admit TNA exists and their talent is at least equal to the WWE's. Not happening, TNA will continue to not exist in the WWE's world.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Jun 8, 2010 20:10:05 GMT -5
BTW how did this not happen to the arena? I mean, Black Cena beat up White Cena. I thought it was foretold by the Mayans that the world would end if that happened. It really is amusing just how many little, great moments combined together to make such a great segment: - Tarver's expression with the close-up on him wearing the bandana around his mouth, and beginning to climb the rail. You just knew **** just got REAL. - Serena screaming and BOLTING to the back as soon as they started wailing on Gallows. - Getting me to cheer for Otunga when he knocks out the ref. - Young and Cena finally being in the same ring, with Young helping kick his ass no less. - Michael Tarver FINALLY showcasing his KO punch, and having the first person he does it to be the face of the company. - Justin Roberts getting, almost disturbingly, beat up and choked out with his own tie by Bryan, along with the look on his face as it happens. - The timekeeper getting beat up and the random fan sweeping in to ring the bell right after. - Slater throwing one of the ringside mats on a downed Fink. - Punk coming back in and trying to fight back for their assault, only to get mauled on some more. - Bryan's now-sure-to-be-recalled-on-here-for years moment of screaming 'YOU ARE NOT BETTER THAN ME' at Cena, before spitting on him and kicking his f'n head in. - Justin Gabriel's incredibly demented look before he hit the 450. - Them just leaving nonchalantly through the side with the crowd still buzzing and stunned. - The concerned kid who shouted 'MR. KING!". - Cena getting stretchered out and the awesome camera angles showing all the carnage and destruction left behind.
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Post by Piccolo on Jun 8, 2010 20:31:08 GMT -5
What is that old saying? If your right hand is sinning, cut it off, because it's better to live without a hand than die whole?
If Cena, Trips and Taker are gonna bury these guys, get rid of Cena, Trips and Taker. I'm not even kidding. This is a chance for WWE to do something fresh, and they're going to flush it down the toilet to stroke the egos of Triple H and The Undertaker, who barely have any time left in their careers? That would be monumentally stupid.
I'm not saying these guys are the future. But the fact is, some of the guys who are the future don't look like they are when they first come on the scene. You have to let the audience care about them. And I DO care about them right now, even though they're not big names. The big names haven't gotten me to watch since Shawn left, but this angle is making me want to tune into every show this week to see what happens.
There's something to this. And the last thing we need right now is to cling to the idea of dues and respect and the past. Let them try. See what happens. Don't lay tripwires for them and see if they can't make WWE awesome again, just for a little while.
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Post by Big Hurt on Jun 8, 2010 20:37:00 GMT -5
Could of sworn someone posted a gif of Danielsen kicking Cena. Am I imagining things?
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jun 8, 2010 20:41:59 GMT -5
What is that old saying? If your right hand is sinning, cut it off, because it's better to live without a hand than die whole? If Cena, Trips and Taker are gonna bury these guys, get rid of Cena, Trips and Taker. I'm not even kidding. This is a chance for WWE to do something fresh, and they're going to flush it down the toilet to stroke the egos of Triple H and The Undertaker, who barely have any time left in their careers? That would be monumentally stupid. I'm not saying these guys are the future. But the fact is, some of the guys who are the future don't look like they are when they first come on the scene. You have to let the audience care about them. And I DO care about them right now, even though they're not big names. The big names haven't gotten me to watch since Shawn left, but this angle is making me want to tune into every show this week to see what happens. There's something to this. And the last thing we need right now is to cling to the idea of dues and respect and the past. Let them try. See what happens. Don't lay tripwires for them and see if they can't make WWE awesome again, just for a little while. This isn't about paying dues, IMO. This is about the fact these guys had 17 weeks to get themselves over and we got... ...this. For all the talk suddenly springing up about how the NXTers were being "held back" and now they're going to have a chance to cut loose, Tarver is the only one who really felt undermined by the booking. Maybe Sheffield as well, in the sense that he was given a comedy gimmick (but without it, would he just be another generic hoss?). At any rate, we got months' worth of screentime out of these guys, and the majority of them ranged from acceptably mediocre to just plain awful (or, in Gabriel's case, talented in a role diametrically opposed to the one he's being used in now). I'm sure WWE intended this to be a jaw-dropping, iconic moment, and I'm glad so many people enjoyed it as much as they did, but it just didn't work for me on any of the levels WWE was aiming at, and I can't see this ending well unless they cut a lot of the fat within the next couple weeks.
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Jun 8, 2010 20:46:35 GMT -5
Kayfabe-wise this makes perfect sense, all eight guys have a legitimate gripe with WWE:
Barrett - They spoiled his win and made it feel like it had no impact at all Otunga - Feels he should have won and was insulted by every pro except Miz in those videos Gabriel - His problem was with Matt Striker Slater - Defeated Jericho and still couldn't win NXT Young - SES tried to cut his hair and he was placed last unfairly despite having the most wins Sheffield - Regal did not like him at all Bryan - Teamed with Miz and given impossible matches to win, this all coincided with Michael Cole insulting him every damn week Tarver - I think he's just insane, but his pro doesn't even work here anymore
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jun 8, 2010 20:54:05 GMT -5
People are comparing it to the nWo, the InVasion, the New Blood -
- how about Generation Next?
A batch of guys who are barely more than unknowns up and declare themselves main eventers. They brutalize other wrestlers with group tactics and go after big targets.
Besides, Sheamus's elevation shows that WWE is currently willing to hotshot guys into the main event with big wins. Give Danielson, Barrett, Gabriel, and Otunga big enough wins, play up Slater having beaten Jericho, and you can easily build up the credibility of this stable very quickly.
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