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Post by Enrico Palazzo on Apr 17, 2011 15:17:26 GMT -5
Amazing end to that match. Not sure what Wenger's complaining about. Lucas was obviously pushed. Probably just more disbelief than anything else. Absolute stone-wall penalty, and he claims in the interview afterwards he was trying to break up Arsenal players badgering the referee. If you could pick any team to chase you in a title scenario, it would have to be Arsenal.
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Post by Red Lion on Apr 17, 2011 15:29:52 GMT -5
Acknowledgements can only go so far though. Heysel has been largely ignored over the past few years for example. I personally think taking one minute out of two games every year to respect the dead, isn't really going too far. As for Heysel, I think more should be done to commemorate the victims of that disaster. I don't really know what the Belgians do to mark that disaster every year but I do know that there is a plaque at Anfield commemorating it. Not saying that excuses Liverpool of any blame but I do know that the stadium wasn't fit to host a football game, let alone one of that magnitude and it don't think it hosted another game for years after that. So maybe that would be why there's not as high a profile of the tragedy. I agree that the dead should be commemorated, but not in annual silences even when the team involved isn't playing in the match. Otherwise the floodgates would open, if Liverpool got a nationwide minute's silence every year you'd have a lot of, for example, Bradford fans asking why Liverpool get preferential treatment over their own stadium's fire disaster in the 80's.
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Post by 76flyingeagles on Apr 17, 2011 17:15:08 GMT -5
What happened to Millwall so called Playoff push? that i heard oh so much about on the Radio when your lot beat Leeds United a few weeks back. What radio station were you listening to? The media are notorious for being all hush hush when it comes to us. I'll tell you what I heard oh so much about at the start of the season - talk of us being favourites for relegation. We proved the doubters wrong there. The playoff push is still very much on by the way. Thanks for asking. We've been on a bit of a patchy run lately, but I still have faith. Thankyou for your concern. Your welcome.
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Post by CaptainFall on Apr 18, 2011 2:16:58 GMT -5
I've heard this argument a few times and still don't buy it. Orient have an established support now but in twenty years time what are the local kids going to want to go and see? Premiership football or League One football? The problem is it's going to slowly kill off Orient's support with everyone in that catchment area who would have gone to watch Orient going to watch West Ham instead. Not necessarily. Often football support runs in families. If a kid's dad supports Leyton Orient, they probably will too. Besides, in today's football, with Sky Sports and the amount of coverage the Premier League gets, it's easy to kids to watch bigger teams than Leyton Orient and support them instead. Whether the club is physically near where they live isn't always a factor. Plenty of people in the south support Man Utd despite living hundreds of miles away from Old Trafford. With it easy enough as it is with Sky Sports and saturated Premier League coverage to persuade kids to support a bigger team, surely putting a big team on the doorstep of a smaller one just makes that worse? Clubs like Orient rely on local support much more so than Man Utd. Man Utd are a hugely successful team who generate millions in merchandise across the globe. Apart from transfers Orient are likely to make the most money from selling tickets which would only apply to those who can get to the match.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 18, 2011 10:53:01 GMT -5
Not necessarily. Often football support runs in families. If a kid's dad supports Leyton Orient, they probably will too. Besides, in today's football, with Sky Sports and the amount of coverage the Premier League gets, it's easy to kids to watch bigger teams than Leyton Orient and support them instead. Whether the club is physically near where they live isn't always a factor. Plenty of people in the south support Man Utd despite living hundreds of miles away from Old Trafford. With it easy enough as it is with Sky Sports and saturated Premier League coverage to persuade kids to support a bigger team, surely putting a big team on the doorstep of a smaller one just makes that worse? Clubs like Orient rely on local support much more so than Man Utd. Man Utd are a hugely successful team who generate millions in merchandise across the globe. Apart from transfers Orient are likely to make the most money from selling tickets which would only apply to those who can get to the match. Moving physically closer to Orient won't make much difference. If a kid lives in London, there are already higher profile clubs to choose from
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Post by "The Bantam" Rob Boss on Apr 18, 2011 11:33:23 GMT -5
I personally think taking one minute out of two games every year to respect the dead, isn't really going too far. As for Heysel, I think more should be done to commemorate the victims of that disaster. I don't really know what the Belgians do to mark that disaster every year but I do know that there is a plaque at Anfield commemorating it. Not saying that excuses Liverpool of any blame but I do know that the stadium wasn't fit to host a football game, let alone one of that magnitude and it don't think it hosted another game for years after that. So maybe that would be why there's not as high a profile of the tragedy. I agree that the dead should be commemorated, but not in annual silences even when the team involved isn't playing in the match. Otherwise the floodgates would open, if Liverpool got a nationwide minute's silence every year you'd have a lot of, for example, Bradford fans asking why Liverpool get preferential treatment over their own stadium's fire disaster in the 80's. We do have a minute's silence on the anniversary of the fire and because of the match in question happening against Lincoln City, we usually do something involving them when we play them at our ground, whether it be a minute's silence or a small tribute. As for being overlooked, what can I say - we're no Liverpool and regardless of who and when, losing anybody is a tragedy. I'd hope we'd have solidarity with Liverpool rather than it being some sort of issue over who had it worse. Both were tragic. Same goes for Munich, Heysel etc. The one thing that does my blood boil is such things as the Turkish banner at Millwall or WBA fans chanting about the fire or Leeds fans mocking the Munich crash. How these people operate in society... I have no idea...
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Post by Red Lion on Apr 18, 2011 12:01:10 GMT -5
I agree that the dead should be commemorated, but not in annual silences even when the team involved isn't playing in the match. Otherwise the floodgates would open, if Liverpool got a nationwide minute's silence every year you'd have a lot of, for example, Bradford fans asking why Liverpool get preferential treatment over their own stadium's fire disaster in the 80's. We do have a minute's silence on the anniversary of the fire and because of the match in question happening against Lincoln City, we usually do something involving them when we play them at our ground, whether it be a minute's silence or a small tribute. As for being overlooked, what can I say - we're no Liverpool and regardless of who and when, losing anybody is a tragedy. I'd hope we'd have solidarity with Liverpool rather than it being some sort of issue over who had it worse. Both were tragic. Same goes for Munich, Heysel etc. The one thing that does my blood boil is such things as the Turkish banner at Millwall or WBA fans chanting about the fire or Leeds fans mocking the Munich crash. How these people operate in society... I have no idea... That's what I'm getting at, when the Bradford disaster is commemorated it's at a match that Bradford are actually involved in. It's how it should be (and how it is, I believe. FA Cup Semi Finals haven't had a Hillsborough silence in years, if ever). Hey, at least you've pointed out that Leeds are bastards too, their fans were treating it as if they were oh so innocent when our fans began bombarding them with all that Turkish stuff. The fans that do chant about those things see it as a really advanced form of banter. They are not legitimately happy and pleased about the things they are chanting about, but they will go to any lengths to annoy the opposition. Not saying that I necessarily agree with them, to be fair.
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Post by 76flyingeagles on Apr 18, 2011 16:02:52 GMT -5
We do have a minute's silence on the anniversary of the fire and because of the match in question happening against Lincoln City, we usually do something involving them when we play them at our ground, whether it be a minute's silence or a small tribute. As for being overlooked, what can I say - we're no Liverpool and regardless of who and when, losing anybody is a tragedy. I'd hope we'd have solidarity with Liverpool rather than it being some sort of issue over who had it worse. Both were tragic. Same goes for Munich, Heysel etc. The one thing that does my blood boil is such things as the Turkish banner at Millwall or WBA fans chanting about the fire or Leeds fans mocking the Munich crash. How these people operate in society... I have no idea... That's what I'm getting at, when the Bradford disaster is commemorated it's at a match that Bradford are actually involved in. It's how it should be (and how it is, I believe. FA Cup Semi Finals haven't had a Hillsborough silence in years, if ever). Hey, at least you've pointed out that Leeds are bastards too, their fans were treating it as if they were oh so innocent when our fans began bombarding them with all that Turkish stuff. The fans that do chant about those things see it as a really advanced form of banter. They are not legitimately happy and pleased about the things they are chanting about, but they will go to any lengths to annoy the opposition. Not saying that I necessarily agree with them, to be fair. No singing about turkey is idiotic as is singing about Munich or any song to a with a death or a disaster be it Hillsborough or Ibrox Disaster. I certainly have no time for people who sing sectarian songs at Football matches. There is no place for that in 2011 in Society.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 18, 2011 16:09:22 GMT -5
SPL have suggested a "British League Cup"
Sounds like a good idea.
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Post by 76flyingeagles on Apr 18, 2011 16:13:21 GMT -5
SPL have suggested a "British League Cup" Sounds like a good idea. No No No. it's just a ploy by Neil Doncaster to get clubs to sign up to the 10 team idea. It also shows that we can't market out game up here and we need England help to try and get a good TV Deal in future.
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Post by Red Lion on Apr 18, 2011 16:14:13 GMT -5
That's what I'm getting at, when the Bradford disaster is commemorated it's at a match that Bradford are actually involved in. It's how it should be (and how it is, I believe. FA Cup Semi Finals haven't had a Hillsborough silence in years, if ever). Hey, at least you've pointed out that Leeds are bastards too, their fans were treating it as if they were oh so innocent when our fans began bombarding them with all that Turkish stuff. The fans that do chant about those things see it as a really advanced form of banter. They are not legitimately happy and pleased about the things they are chanting about, but they will go to any lengths to annoy the opposition. Not saying that I necessarily agree with them, to be fair. No singing about turkey is idiotic as is singing about Munich or any song to a with a death or a disaster be it Hillsborough or Ibrox Disaster. I certainly have no time for people who sing sectarian songs at Football matches. There is no place for that in 2011 in Society. ...which is what I said. Who are you talking to?
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Post by 76flyingeagles on Apr 18, 2011 16:16:27 GMT -5
No singing about turkey is idiotic as is singing about Munich or any song to a with a death or a disaster be it Hillsborough or Ibrox Disaster. I certainly have no time for people who sing sectarian songs at Football matches. There is no place for that in 2011 in Society. ...which is what I said. Who are you talking to? Sorry friend i must misinterpreted the last paragraph of your post.
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Post by Enrico Palazzo on Apr 18, 2011 21:34:52 GMT -5
SPL have suggested a "British League Cup" Sounds like a good idea. Portadown, for the victory!
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Post by lemonyellowson on Apr 18, 2011 23:14:39 GMT -5
SPL have suggested a "British League Cup" Sounds like a good idea. Portadown, for the victory! pah, limavady united all the way
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Post by Chuckie Finster on Apr 19, 2011 15:26:48 GMT -5
Nice to see the Toon Army give Owen a warm reception.
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on Apr 19, 2011 16:00:49 GMT -5
^ why would we?
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Apr 19, 2011 16:04:28 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I can completely see why Toon fans feel justified in booing him, but in his defence, he was out of contract and didn't want to play in the Championship.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2011 16:20:36 GMT -5
Because you spent a few million on him, he then spent most of his contract (which you spent further millions on) either injured or not doing much then when his contract expired at the same time you got relegated and needed him the most he buggered off Honestly, I think Newcastle fans might be the most ungrateful lot of fans I've ever came across All joking aside with regards to a British League Cup, I say why not, pretty obvious either of the respective tournaments are held in high regard
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Post by 76flyingeagles on Apr 19, 2011 16:33:13 GMT -5
Because you spent a few million on him, he then spent most of his contract (which you spent further millions on) either injured or not doing much then when his contract expired at the same time you got relegated and needed him the most he buggered off Honestly, I think Newcastle fans might be the most ungrateful lot of fans I've ever came across All joking aside with regards to a British League Cup, I say why not, pretty obvious either of the respective tournaments are held in high regard The Texaco cup was a failure the Anglo-Italian Cup was a failure. The current Carling Home Nations Tournament? guessed it a failure. Please don't introduce this please don't give Neil Doncaster more fodder to think he actually knows what he's talking about when it comes to Reconstruction in Scotland.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Apr 19, 2011 16:36:21 GMT -5
Because you spent a few million on him, he then spent most of his contract (which you spent further millions on) either injured or not doing much then when his contract expired at the same time you got relegated and needed him the most he buggered off Honestly, I think Newcastle fans might be the most ungrateful lot of fans I've ever came across All joking aside with regards to a British League Cup, I say why not, pretty obvious either of the respective tournaments are held in high regard The Texaco cup was a failure the Anglo-Italian Cup was a failure. The current Carling Home Nations Tournament? guessed it a failure. Please don't introduce this please don't give Neil Doncaster more fodder to think he actually knows what he's talking about when it comes to Reconstruction in Scotland. I saw that list of "recommendations" and the vast majority were pie in the sky! You can't just will a team to #15 in the world. How does he expect to make up some 40-some odd spots in 5 years? Maybe discover an incredibly porous border that Scotland shares with Brazil? And the coefficient thing, too. Obviously, these things are great for Scottish football, but it's not like this is a case of simple implementation. It doesn't work that way.
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