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Post by Supercheese on Apr 19, 2011 16:40:38 GMT -5
Because you spent a few million on him, he then spent most of his contract (which you spent further millions on) either injured or not doing much then when his contract expired at the same time you got relegated and needed him the most he buggered off Honestly, I think Newcastle fans might be the most ungrateful lot of fans I've ever came across All joking aside with regards to a British League Cup, I say why not, pretty obvious either of the respective tournaments are held in high regard The Texaco cup was a failure the Anglo-Italian Cup was a failure. The current Carling Home Nations Tournament? guessed it a failure. Please don't introduce this please don't give Neil Doncaster more fodder to think he actually knows what he's talking about when it comes to Reconstruction in Scotland. The reason Doncaster is pushing for a 10 team league is because he knows without 4 Old Firm games the product is worthless. Scottish football has never recovered since the diddy teams decided to go for the deal with Setanta that sounded to good to be true, which turned out to be too good to be true. We were then forced to accept the pittance of the offer Sky gave us. The rest of the SPL don't want the Old Firm only visiting their ground once a season either. The vast majority of teams would lose two of their biggest earners. As for the latest death threats to Neil Lennon, how anyone can claim both sides are as bad as each other is beyond me. Rangers promote hatred for anything different and all that Neil Lennon stands for proves that.
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Post by 76flyingeagles on Apr 19, 2011 16:44:10 GMT -5
The Texaco cup was a failure the Anglo-Italian Cup was a failure. The current Carling Home Nations Tournament? guessed it a failure. Please don't introduce this please don't give Neil Doncaster more fodder to think he actually knows what he's talking about when it comes to Reconstruction in Scotland. The reason Doncaster is pushing for a 10 team league is because he knows without 4 Old Firm games the product is worthless. Scottish football has never recovered since the diddy teams decided to go for the deal with Setanta that sounded to good to be true, which turned out to be too good to be true. We were then forced to accept the pittance of the offer Sky gave us. The rest of the SPL don't want the Old Firm only visiting their ground once a season either. The vast majority of teams would lose two of their biggest earners. As for the latest death threats to Neil Lennon, how anyone can claim both sides are as bad as each other is beyond me. Rangers promote hatred for anything different and all that Neil Lennon stands for proves that. And again a Celtic fan jumps to a conclusion where did i say it was wrong to have four Old Firm derbies a season?. I know why don't the "Diddy teams" leave the SPL and just let Rangers and Celtic play each other 38 times a season though. Why do Old Firm fans always have ideas above your station? just face facts your clubs mean little in the grand scheme of European Football nowadays. The state of Scottish football effects everyone, yes that includes Rangers and Celtic down to the nothing teams like East Stirlingshire. nail).
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 19, 2011 16:46:40 GMT -5
That Carling Home Nations thing would work if England were part of it and it were held as a single continuous tournament over the summer of a non Euro/World Cup year.
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Post by 76flyingeagles on Apr 19, 2011 16:57:13 GMT -5
That Carling Home Nations thing would work if England were part of it and it were held as a single continuous tournament over the summer of a non Euro/World Cup year. It would only work with England in it. In it's current format it'll die a painful death and frankly if Scotland do win it i couldn't really give to be honest and if we lose then so be it. Only thing it effects is what pot we'll be in for the World Cup qualifying draw and even that we'll struggle get out pot 4 at the moment regardless.
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Post by Supercheese on Apr 19, 2011 16:57:28 GMT -5
The reason Doncaster is pushing for a 10 team league is because he knows without 4 Old Firm games the product is worthless. Scottish football has never recovered since the diddy teams decided to go for the deal with Setanta that sounded to good to be true, which turned out to be too good to be true. We were then forced to accept the pittance of the offer Sky gave us. The rest of the SPL don't want the Old Firm only visiting their ground once a season either. The vast majority of teams would lose two of their biggest earners. As for the latest death threats to Neil Lennon, how anyone can claim both sides are as bad as each other is beyond me. Rangers promote hatred for anything different and all that Neil Lennon stands for proves that. And again a Celtic fan jumps to a conclusion where did i say it was wrong to have four Old Firm derbies a season?. I know why don't the "Diddy teams" leave the SPL and just let Rangers and Celtic play each other 38 times a season though. Why do Old Firm fans always have ideas above your station? just face facts your clubs mean nothing in the grand scheme of European Football anymore. We do actually. I think in terms of worldwide support Celtic are one of the biggest teams in the world.
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Post by 76flyingeagles on Apr 19, 2011 17:01:29 GMT -5
I think you'll find UEFA could create a Super League fine with out Rangers or Celtic involved.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 19, 2011 17:03:03 GMT -5
Probably revenue. Having the Old Firm visit the other SPL teams during the season raises attendances.
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Post by 76flyingeagles on Apr 19, 2011 17:06:09 GMT -5
Probably revenue. Having the Old Firm visit the other SPL teams during the season raises attendances. My point is without the "diddy teams" there would be no league for either Old Firm to play in though i think this poster would love the idea of playing Rangers 38 times a season plus twice in the Cup finals.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 19, 2011 17:12:10 GMT -5
I've always wondered why players spend their careers at teams like Blackburn, Wigan, Newcastle, Aston Villa etc....when they could join the Old Firm and have a better chance of playing Champions League football. If I was a mid-level Premier League player, I'd say "bollocks to this" and play for Rangers/Celtic instead.
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Post by 76flyingeagles on Apr 19, 2011 17:15:29 GMT -5
I've always wondered why players spend their careers at teams like Blackburn, Wigan, Newcastle, Aston Villa etc....when they could join the Old Firm and have a better chance of playing Champions League football. If I was a mid-level Premier League player, I'd say "bollocks to this" and play for Rangers/Celtic instead. Can generate better wages playing for these clubs. But don't let Old Firm fans know it might break the illusion that they matter to UEFA.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 19, 2011 17:16:49 GMT -5
The police wouldn't.
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Post by 76flyingeagles on Apr 19, 2011 17:21:41 GMT -5
No and this something that Old Firm never mention but the Police costing for these "diddy teams" to Host Rangers and Celtic Doubles sometimes trebles when there fans come to town. I know when we Played Celtic years and years ago at home it cost us more money to police the game than we got from SFA for reaching that round Scottish Cup.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 19, 2011 17:29:39 GMT -5
The 10 non Old Firm SPL teams should break away, join up with the 10 first division teams and form a new Scottish Premiership. The 20 second and third division teams would form the Scottish Championship and have a relegation/promotion system between them.
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Post by CaptainFall on Apr 19, 2011 17:31:02 GMT -5
I've always wondered why players spend their careers at teams like Blackburn, Wigan, Newcastle, Aston Villa etc....when they could join the Old Firm and have a better chance of playing Champions League football. If I was a mid-level Premier League player, I'd say "bollocks to this" and play for Rangers/Celtic instead. Can generate better wages playing for these clubs. But don't let Old Firm fans know it might break the illusion that they matter to UEFA. Plus that chance of Champions League football tends to last only a few games followed by a similarly long stint in the Europa League. Then you've got to play the same teams four times a season. More money in the English Premiership and a better challenge.
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Post by 76flyingeagles on Apr 19, 2011 17:34:43 GMT -5
The 10 non Old Firm SPL teams should break away, join up with the 10 first division teams and form a new Scottish Premiership. The 20 second and third division teams would form the Scottish Championship and have a relegation/promotion system between them. Much as i would like see that happen it won't it's a sad fact but it's a fact none the less the Chairman wouldn't do it as they lose revenue from playing Rangers and Celtic at home twice. Though what revenue they get i don't know i have a friend who is a Kilmarnock fans (boo) that according to him that any money they make from these teams going to Rugby Park is canceled out by how much it costs to pay the Police. I know they don't make as big profit as Celtic and Rangers fans love to make you think they do.
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Post by 76flyingeagles on Apr 19, 2011 17:35:56 GMT -5
Can generate better wages playing for these clubs. But don't let Old Firm fans know it might break the illusion that they matter to UEFA. Plus that chance of Champions League football tends to last only a few games followed by a similarly long stint in the Europa League. Then you've got to play the same teams four times a season. More money in the English Premiership and a better challenge. More exposure worldwide as well.
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Post by strykerdarksilence on Apr 19, 2011 18:44:10 GMT -5
A lot of people in my area, even SWANSEA fans (who want nothing but relegation, administration and possibly a nuclear bomb to be dropped on Cardiff City) couldn't understand why Ledley went to Celtic when Cardiff were likely to be (and are) pushing for promotion to the Premiership. European football be damned, general opinion here is that he should have either taken the gamble and gone to Roma when they were sniffing around or stayed at Cardiff. His stock has certainly fallen in the Scottish Premiership, which is such a shame when you consider the calibre of player in that league in the not too distant past.
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Post by Supercheese on Apr 19, 2011 18:47:44 GMT -5
The 10 non Old Firm SPL teams should break away, join up with the 10 first division teams and form a new Scottish Premiership. The 20 second and third division teams would form the Scottish Championship and have a relegation/promotion system between them. Much as i would like see that happen it won't it's a sad fact but it's a fact none the less the Chairman wouldn't do it as they lose revenue from playing Rangers and Celtic at home twice. Though what revenue they get i don't know i have a friend who is a Kilmarnock fans (boo) that according to him that any money they make from these teams going to Rugby Park is canceled out by how much it costs to pay the Police. I know they don't make as big profit as Celtic and Rangers fans love to make you think they do. That is rubbish. Utter, utter utter tripe. Do Police not go to games to that other teams other than Celtic and Rangers are involved? I'd argue that Celtic and Rangers pay a much higher rate for police officers than anyone else. It also depends on what region you are in. Utter fallacy from your mate. But you'll use that to pedal your anti-Celtic agenda. And who's stock has fallen? The same Joe Ledley who has been terrific up here, Joe Ledley who feels he's playing at a much higher level than previously. The same Joe Ledley who has convinced Adam Matthews that Celtic are a better way to promote himself than signing for teams like Bolton or Everton? Celtic are a massive, massive club. Top 10 supported in the world, maybe even top 5.
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Post by eJm on Apr 19, 2011 18:55:39 GMT -5
A lot of people in my area, even SWANSEA fans (who want nothing but relegation, administration and possibly a nuclear bomb to be dropped on Cardiff City) couldn't understand why Ledley went to Celtic when Cardiff were likely to be (and are) pushing for promotion to the Premiership. European football be damned, general opinion here is that he should have either taken the gamble and gone to Roma when they were sniffing around or stayed at Cardiff. His stock has certainly fallen in the Scottish Premiership, which is such a shame when you consider the calibre of player in that league in the not too distant past. A lot of people jumped on my back for calling Ledley an idiot at the beginning of the season for signing with Celtic. And would you look at that, I was right.
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Post by strykerdarksilence on Apr 19, 2011 19:09:35 GMT -5
Much as i would like see that happen it won't it's a sad fact but it's a fact none the less the Chairman wouldn't do it as they lose revenue from playing Rangers and Celtic at home twice. Though what revenue they get i don't know i have a friend who is a Kilmarnock fans (boo) that according to him that any money they make from these teams going to Rugby Park is canceled out by how much it costs to pay the Police. I know they don't make as big profit as Celtic and Rangers fans love to make you think they do. That is rubbish. Utter, utter utter tripe. Do Police not go to games to that other teams other than Celtic and Rangers are involved? I'd argue that Celtic and Rangers pay a much higher rate for police officers than anyone else. It also depends on what region you are in. Utter fallacy from your mate. But you'll use that to pedal your anti-Celtic agenda. And who's stock has fallen? The same Joe Ledley who has been terrific up here, Joe Ledley who feels he's playing at a much higher level than previously. The same Joe Ledley who has convinced Adam Matthews that Celtic are a better way to promote himself than signing for teams like Bolton or Everton? Celtic are a massive, massive club. Top 10 supported in the world, maybe even top 5. I didn't say he wasn't performing well, I was pointing out the fact that while at Cardiff everybody was buzzing about his potential big move, he jumped to Celtic and he's hardly mentioned. The general consensus is that he is playing within a comfort zone and still hasn't stepped up and fulfilled his potential. And there won't be many Cardiff fans upset about Matthews. He's very unpopular amonst their season ticket holders for one reason or another.
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