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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Feb 22, 2011 6:55:15 GMT -5
I don't think it needs to happen. The streak, (kayfabe speaking of course) isn't as impressive when you look at it. Taker never faced Andre, Hogan, Warrior, Savage, Piper, Bret Hart, Austin, Rock, Vader, Lesnar, Angle, Goldberg, Jericho not even Foley at Mania. All guys who could've beat him. Add in washed up guys like Bossman and Bundy and facing guys he's already beat - Kane and HBK and now HHH it's not the feat it's made out to be. I strongly disagree. They've never billed him as a "legend killer" anyway, so your point there is moot. The Streak right now is hyped up moreso than EITHER World title, and I dare say that for the right newcomer, it would mean LOADS more to end the mythical undefeated Streak of the Deadman than to win a World Title at Mania. If you doubt how much more important than the titles it is, consider this: THE premiere spotlight hog in all of wrestling isn't gunning for EITHER belt upon his return. He's going after the Streak. That should tell you all you need to know about how important and how impressive the Streak is. ;D This is precisely why the streak must end. It's bigger than the actual titles.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Feb 22, 2011 6:59:47 GMT -5
I strongly disagree. They've never billed him as a "legend killer" anyway, so your point there is moot. The Streak right now is hyped up moreso than EITHER World title, and I dare say that for the right newcomer, it would mean LOADS more to end the mythical undefeated Streak of the Deadman than to win a World Title at Mania. If you doubt how much more important than the titles it is, consider this: THE premiere spotlight hog in all of wrestling isn't gunning for EITHER belt upon his return. He's going after the Streak. That should tell you all you need to know about how important and how impressive the Streak is. ;D This is precisely why the streak must end. It's bigger than the actual titles. I disagree. I think, for that reason, it must be protected. Look at the cavalier, after-thought manner the tag belts were treated with last night and the World Title on SD last week. Let's face it, there's no luster to titles in the WWE anymore. The Streak still means something and it should be preserved.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Feb 22, 2011 7:09:18 GMT -5
This is precisely why the streak must end. It's bigger than the actual titles. I disagree. I think, for that reason, it must be protected. Look at the cavalier, after-thought manner the tag belts were treated with last night and the World Title on SD last week. Let's face it, there's no luster to titles in the WWE anymore. The Streak still means something and it should be preserved. The Streak is like everything else in wrestling, or it should be, a tool to get someone over. It got The Undertaker even MORE insanely over than he already was, and now it's time to use ending it to instantly make some young guy's career. Personally, if it wasn't obvious they'd given up on him, I'd suggest Sheamus, but anyone works.
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Post by strykerdarksilence on Feb 22, 2011 7:11:53 GMT -5
Regardless of opinions of the match (which I love) and Triple H (who I also love), I don't think anybody can deny the awesome thing that was a segment running that long with not one word spoken.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Feb 22, 2011 7:15:08 GMT -5
I disagree. I think, for that reason, it must be protected. Look at the cavalier, after-thought manner the tag belts were treated with last night and the World Title on SD last week. Let's face it, there's no luster to titles in the WWE anymore. The Streak still means something and it should be preserved. The Streak is like everything else in wrestling, or it should be, a tool to get someone over. It got The Undertaker even MORE insanely over than he already was, and now it's time to use ending it to instantly make some young guy's career. Personally, if it wasn't obvious they'd given up on him, I'd suggest Sheamus, but anyone works. Oh, I'm fine with that. To eventually use it to get somebody (who needs it, that is) over is okay by me, I was just speaking in terms of this year and HHH. The problem is, with the way 'Taker's body is breaking down, this probably should have been the year to do that. There's no guarantee that he's going to be physically able to go next year.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Feb 22, 2011 7:17:21 GMT -5
The Streak is like everything else in wrestling, or it should be, a tool to get someone over. It got The Undertaker even MORE insanely over than he already was, and now it's time to use ending it to instantly make some young guy's career. Personally, if it wasn't obvious they'd given up on him, I'd suggest Sheamus, but anyone works. Oh, I'm fine with that. To eventually use it to get somebody (who needs it, that is) over is okay by me, I was just speaking in terms of this year and HHH. The problem is, with the way 'Taker's body is breaking down, this probably should have been the year to do that. There's no guarantee that he's going to be physically able to go next year. Oh, right, rock on then. And yeah, sadly, you're probably right. I gotta imagine at this point that 'Taker's knees are held together by bubblegum and the power of prayer.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Feb 22, 2011 7:26:41 GMT -5
Regardless of opinions of the match (which I love) and Triple H (who I also love), I don't think anybody can deny the awesome thing that was a segment running that long with not one word spoken. I didn't think it was awesome, but this might be another case of a mark out moment being ruined by the internet. In the past week this match started getting hyped. When they came out it was more of a "Oh, looks like the rumors were right" Instead of, "Wow, they're back. Wonder what's going to happen..."
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Post by Fang on Feb 22, 2011 7:41:18 GMT -5
I have absolutely zero desire to see this match.
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Feb 22, 2011 8:24:47 GMT -5
I didnt see Raw but of course alot of us thought this match was happening anyway. As a fan of neither guy Im happy they're put together so they both dont go over younger talent.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 22, 2011 8:46:10 GMT -5
I disagree. I think, for that reason, it must be protected. Look at the cavalier, after-thought manner the tag belts were treated with last night and the World Title on SD last week. Let's face it, there's no luster to titles in the WWE anymore. The Streak still means something and it should be preserved. The Streak is like everything else in wrestling, or it should be, a tool to get someone over. It got The Undertaker even MORE insanely over than he already was, and now it's time to use ending it to instantly make some young guy's career. Personally, if it wasn't obvious they'd given up on him, I'd suggest Sheamus, but anyone works. It felt like a LOT of people got their trains de-railed tonight. Not just Sheamus, but Kofi and JoMo, too.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 22, 2011 9:00:47 GMT -5
I disagree. I think, for that reason, it must be protected. Look at the cavalier, after-thought manner the tag belts were treated with last night and the World Title on SD last week. Let's face it, there's no luster to titles in the WWE anymore. The Streak still means something and it should be preserved. The Streak is like everything else in wrestling, or it should be, a tool to get someone over. It got The Undertaker even MORE insanely over than he already was, and now it's time to use ending it to instantly make some young guy's career. Personally, if it wasn't obvious they'd given up on him, I'd suggest Sheamus, but anyone works. Lesnar's quick departure from WWE after all his success may be a factor in why the streak's remained intact. Whoever is booked to end it will have that distinction for the rest of their career. If an "up-and-comer" receives the honor of beating Taker, there is a remote possibility that said up-and-comer might have a falling out with WWE, could suffer a rash of injuries, or just might wind up being a lousy draw in spite of being the man that ended the streak. And guys like Cena, HBK, Orton, HHH or even Jericho simply don't need it at this point. I'll be rooting for UT this year, partly because I think he's earned the honor of having it untainted through his contributions to wrestling/WWE, and also because I feel him winning is a practical choice.
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Post by Thunderbolt on Feb 22, 2011 10:13:25 GMT -5
I like that they've really tried to establish blatant "tiers"(or POWER LEVELS if you prefer ) the last few months. In the Triple Threat Cage Match they made sure to mention that Randy Orton is on another level from Sheamus and Barrett. Now, they've got HHH and Taker who should become the "Special Attraction" super main-eventers that Vince has always wanted. This promotes them as being on a truly legendary level, like Hogan, Rock, Austin, and only a few others. So now Taker and HHH can have a match that seems "beyond" the "normal" level of guys and work really reduced schedules and be presented as the top guys(even above Cena), so that on rare occasions when they put someone over(and it should be clean), that guy will have a cemented place as a main event player. And Taker's WM match should always be promoted as a main event type match, almost like a "Wresltemania Title". Even just getting to challenge him at WM at this point shows that person is one of the top guys in the company. So if Sheamus was to work a program with Hunter later this year and go over, and then go on to face Taker at next WM, he'd be truly seen as a Cena level guy(or at least Orton level).
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Feb 22, 2011 10:14:47 GMT -5
Regardless of opinions of the match (which I love) and Triple H (who I also love), I don't think anybody can deny the awesome thing that was a segment running that long with not one word spoken. +1000
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Feb 22, 2011 10:24:48 GMT -5
For the next few weeks:
HHH: "I want, to end-ah, the streak-ah!" Undertaker: "You will rest in peace!" HHH: "The Game-ah doesn't rest in peace-a!" 'Taker: "In pizza?" HHH: "No, peace. Ah." 'Taker: "Oh. Anyway, many have tried to end the streak, all have failed!"
*Video package of all who failed"
HHH: "I won't fail-ah. Not with HBK in my corner!"
*HBK comes out to a huge pop*
HBK: "You ended my career! Triple H will end yours!" 'Taker: "Ha ha ha, you fools. Nobody will ever make me rest in peace!" HHH: "Oh yeah, well me and HBK have two words for ya, SUCK IT!"
Midcarders in the back: "Can't all of you retire already?"
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Post by TheDieselTrain on Feb 22, 2011 11:00:30 GMT -5
So I re-watched it and Undertaker is visibly pissed when HHH came out and HHHe even had the gall to do his pose on the turnbuckles. Taker why didnt you hurl lightning bolts at him? ? He ruined your return and turned his back on you so he could take your spotlight and then didnt even give a reason for stealing your thunder.
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Post by 4real on Feb 22, 2011 11:09:13 GMT -5
They had a match on Smackdown! 3 years ago that I thought was one of the best matches that year.
If they have a similar match like that at this years Wrestlemania I'd be happy.
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Post by Tiger Maskooo on Feb 22, 2011 12:14:01 GMT -5
Oh, I'm fine with that. To eventually use it to get somebody (who needs it, that is) over is okay by me, I was just speaking in terms of this year and HHH. The problem is, with the way 'Taker's body is breaking down, this probably should have been the year to do that. There's no guarantee that he's going to be physically able to go next year. Oh, right, rock on then. And yeah, sadly, you're probably right. I gotta imagine at this point that 'Taker's knees are held together by bubblegum and the power of prayer. I'd say elmers glue and silly putty. The thing about the streak is,I'm of the belief of if youre in wrestling whether youre hulk hogan or funaki,when you go you pass the torch. Nobody is supposed to go out winning. But I think taker could do that without ending the streak. To me,its one of those things that makes the undertaker,the undertaker. It'd be the equiviliant to me if,at the end of their mania match,cena had ripped jbls cowboy hat in half,blew up his limo and lit him on fire. Takers gonna have to put people over but he doesnt need to have his legacy taken away for it. It's one of those things people will be able to look back on with fondness to say hes one of the greatest of all time. but as I say that,I admit,im curious to see how it'd pan out. Who it'd be. I think honestly...it might be orton. Theyre kinda gearing him up to be taker 2.0. Also,as much as I love the guy,and I do as my post previous in this thread shows. I hope it isnt hunter who ends the streak. That'll just all but seemingly confirm that he's the guy who always wins burying all in his way. Even if taker wanted hhh to win.
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Post by Marvelously Mediocre on Feb 22, 2011 12:17:46 GMT -5
I'm sure the match will be great and the build will be enjoyable and the segment itself tonight was cool when taken out of context but the problem I have with it is the circumstances surrounding both men suggest that it would make no sense for them to want to face each other.
Surely Triple H would much rather seek his revenge on the man who injured him and put him out of action for almost a year. But instead Triple H ignores this and stares down Taker while Sheamus jobs in the next segment.
And as for Undertaker his last appearance was being killed by his brother, Wade Barrett, Justin Gabriel, Heath Slater and David Otunga. Fair enough Kane wasn't on the show but the rest of them were, surely Taker would want to play mindgames with them instead of randomly posing infront of his T logo.
With Triple H facing The Undertaker it leaves Sheamus and Wade Barrett doing nothing. Not only does it make them look bad but it makes Triple H and Undertaker look stupid for not wanting to exact revenge on the people that put them out of action and instead admiring the artwork of this years Wrestlemania logo.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2011 15:54:31 GMT -5
Regardless of opinions of the match (which I love) and Triple H (who I also love), I don't think anybody can deny the awesome thing that was a segment running that long with not one word spoken. This. That segment sold me on WM more than anything done or said in recent weeks/months by Miz, Cena, Punk, Orton or even Rock. What other combination of two wrestlers could have the crowd going crazy for 10 minutes without any words spoken or any physical activity? I'm thinking it's a short list that includes Hogan, Rock, Austin, Cena and not many others.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Feb 22, 2011 16:00:43 GMT -5
The Streak should absolutely never end. It completely diminishes the other 18 or 19 matches if the Undertaker loses even 1 of them. They just become 19 individual matches rather than 1 giant streak. Plus if it stays intact, you always have the mystique of it hanging over.
Plus, given the state of WWE booking, its not wise to strap a WM victory over the Undertaker to someone in case they fizzle out.
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