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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Feb 22, 2011 16:09:11 GMT -5
Besides the hiccup on Undertaker coming in early, I thought the silent promo was FANTASTIC! While I was expecting Sheamus to go after Triple H and Undertaker to fight either Kane or Barrett, let's not forget there is a built-in story here: Triple H's friend, Shawn Michaels, was retired by Undertaker. Now Triple H wants revenge. A Tombstone and Suck It later, a Wrestlemania (re)match was made and not one word was spoken. I can't think of two other superstars on the roster who could do that.
That being said, I was disappointed Rock didn't show up, but Cena had a awesome thuganomics-style promo so its all well and good.
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Post by yapappi4life on Feb 22, 2011 17:46:11 GMT -5
People shall be disappointed when they realize that HHH only came to the ring because he thought the Undertaker had called him a stupid moron when he really called him an intrepid, headstrong guy. Only for the match to be cancelled and have Undertaker face Zack Ryder in a tickling match at WM 27.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Feb 22, 2011 17:51:30 GMT -5
The Streak should absolutely never end. It completely diminishes the other 18 or 19 matches if the Undertaker loses even 1 of them. They just become 19 individual matches rather than 1 giant streak. Plus if it stays intact, you always have the mystique of it hanging over. Plus, given the state of WWE booking, its not wise to strap a WM victory over the Undertaker to someone in case they fizzle out. Agreed. You can only end the streak once. Then it's gone forever. You can never hype a match solely on two words again.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Feb 22, 2011 18:01:02 GMT -5
The Streak should absolutely never end. It completely diminishes the other 18 or 19 matches if the Undertaker loses even 1 of them. They just become 19 individual matches rather than 1 giant streak. Plus if it stays intact, you always have the mystique of it hanging over. Plus, given the state of WWE booking, its not wise to strap a WM victory over the Undertaker to someone in case they fizzle out. Agreed. You can only end the streak once. Then it's gone forever. You can never hype a match solely on two words again. If it's 'Taker's last match, you'll never need to. Or you could build someone else up to have a streak. By the point where anyone notices you're copying 'Taker, the audience will have turned over in a huge way, most of them won't even remember 'Taker's streak. This isn't that difficult a thing to work around. And again, the Streak is NOT a real achievement. 'Taker didn't earn it the way guys earn Superbowl wins or World Series victories. He was given it. It's a tool, nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Feb 23, 2011 0:39:44 GMT -5
The Streak should absolutely never end. It completely diminishes the other 18 or 19 matches if the Undertaker loses even 1 of them. They just become 19 individual matches rather than 1 giant streak. Plus if it stays intact, you always have the mystique of it hanging over. No, it will still be remembered for years to come. Look at Goldberg's streak. He eventually lost but people still talk about it. 19-1 is still a record that most likely would never be broken. That's a horrible way to book. No one can predict the future. Chances always have to be taken. Maybe the guy they're pushing dies in a car accident or gets hit by lightening. The best you can do is have a back up plan.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Feb 23, 2011 1:09:04 GMT -5
The Streak should absolutely never end. It completely diminishes the other 18 or 19 matches if the Undertaker loses even 1 of them. They just become 19 individual matches rather than 1 giant streak. Plus if it stays intact, you always have the mystique of it hanging over. No, it will still be remembered for years to come. Look at Goldberg's streak. He eventually lost but people still talk about it. 19-1 is still a record that most likely would never be broken. As far as I can tell people talk about Goldbergs streak but they almost always mention at the same time "then he lost to Nash."
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Post by Raja Lion on Feb 23, 2011 1:13:29 GMT -5
Said it in another thread, but they were the most anticlimactic returns ever.
Undertaker's return vignettes were stupid in hindsight. They were only cool when we thought it was Sting.
HHH's return sucked the wind out of Taker's, but I wasn't excited for Taker to begin with.
Definitely not excited for their match at Mania, but I bet it will be decent enough. Just eh on the introduction of the program they're heading into.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Feb 23, 2011 2:48:07 GMT -5
No, it will still be remembered for years to come. Look at Goldberg's streak. He eventually lost but people still talk about it. 19-1 is still a record that most likely would never be broken. As far as I can tell people talk about Goldbergs streak but they almost always mention at the same time "then he lost to Nash." Exactly. So whoever beats the streak will go over huge. That's why a newer guy needs to end it. There's not much you can do now to give someone a rub. This would be the slamming Andre moment of this generation.
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Post by jadison on Feb 23, 2011 3:00:46 GMT -5
Yeah...how many times have we seen this boring matchup. I mean...Taker-HHH AGAIN. Just like Wrestlemania X-7, and uh...well I'm sure they had a match or two at a house show or Raw here and there. King of the Ring 2002 was the last time I think. Smackdown in 2008 or 2009 they had a really good singles match.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 23, 2011 4:30:40 GMT -5
Regardless of opinions of the match (which I love) and Triple H (who I also love), I don't think anybody can deny the awesome thing that was a segment running that long with not one word spoken. I don't think it was that awesome. Why? Was the big word running through my brain through the whole thing. I know it will be explained and it will likely involve HBK losing the last two years, but for no one to say anything, not even the commentators.....why? Why wouldn't they speak? I don't get the appeal of this match yet and I like both of them.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Feb 23, 2011 4:31:58 GMT -5
Regardless of opinions of the match (which I love) and Triple H (who I also love), I don't think anybody can deny the awesome thing that was a segment running that long with not one word spoken. I don't think it was that awesome. Why? Was the big word running through my brain through the whole thing. I know it will be explained and it will likely involve HBK losing the last two years, but for no one to say anything, not even the commentators.....why? Why wouldn't they speak? I don't get the appeal of this match yet and I like both of them. My deal was, if they had put ANYONE else out there against 'Taker, minus maybe Kane again for the billionth time, I would have been excited as hell for whatever match they set up. When HHH came out, it immediately killed my buzz.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 23, 2011 4:39:48 GMT -5
I don't think it was that awesome. Why? Was the big word running through my brain through the whole thing. I know it will be explained and it will likely involve HBK losing the last two years, but for no one to say anything, not even the commentators.....why? Why wouldn't they speak? I don't get the appeal of this match yet and I like both of them. My deal was, if they had put ANYONE else out there against 'Taker, minus maybe Kane again for the billionth time, I would have been excited as hell for whatever match they set up. When HHH came out, it immediately killed my buzz. Me too and I'm obviously a Triple H fan, though not as huge as I once was. When Triple H walked out, I immediately lost interest in Taker returning and didn't much care Triple H was. Especially since, forgive me if I'm wrong, but Sheamus put Triple H out originally in storyline. So, shouldn't Triple H be exacting his revenge on Sheamus? Not on Undertaker for some reason, we think is probably tied to ending HBK's career in a match HBK agreed to? It's not like Taker injured Shawn and forced him to retire....
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Post by HRH The KING on Feb 23, 2011 5:35:52 GMT -5
HHH's return was alright, but I'm just bored with Taker now.
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Post by Junkenstein on Feb 23, 2011 6:14:18 GMT -5
Even though I'm a pretty big fan of both guys, my problem with Undertaker/HHH is that it just feels like a distraction, rather than the big "legend vs legend" battle it's doubtless gonna be built up as. As people have said, HHH and Taker both have glaring unfinished business elsewhere, Sheamus and Wade Barrett respectively. God knows those two could have done with major Wrestlemania matches with the two veterans for a much-needed career boost right now.
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Post by strykerdarksilence on Feb 23, 2011 8:58:31 GMT -5
Regardless of opinions of the match (which I love) and Triple H (who I also love), I don't think anybody can deny the awesome thing that was a segment running that long with not one word spoken. I don't think it was that awesome. Why? Was the big word running through my brain through the whole thing. I know it will be explained and it will likely involve HBK losing the last two years, but for no one to say anything, not even the commentators.....why? Why wouldn't they speak? I don't get the appeal of this match yet and I like both of them. I do have to confess that pretty much anything Hunter has done, Katie Vick aside, I've enjoyed, so I'm admittedly very biased in enjoying this.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Feb 23, 2011 12:35:10 GMT -5
i was shocked at HHH's music. but i though it fell flat. real flat.
especially the just cut to commercial, then Sheamus comes out to wrestle. the place would have been louder had it been Sheamus vs. Henry and Sheamus continues to destroy Mark Henry until a bunch of referee's come down to break it up, Sheamus scares them off and keeps dropping knees on Henry's head over and over until eventually you hear
(guitar riff) "Time to play the game"
the place would have exploded 2 times as loud.
i think had BOTH not been taken out by people and not coming back for revenge, it makes the moment 'meh' for me. coupled with the fact that Undertaker JUST returned like in the fall, only to leave again later in the fall. he leaves and returns a lot. HHH's return should have been more epic imo.
i rewatched it again and my favorite part is Undertaker's stance and face as HHH goes to the turnbuckles to pose. his head half turned with a great expression on his face. i appreciate the little things that the UT brings to his character.
other than that i was like, NO NO NO NO NO.
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Post by Phosphor Glow on Feb 23, 2011 13:38:30 GMT -5
I'm pretty late into this thread, but I legitimately don't understand how people don't recognize how popular HHH really is. Every time he comes back, he gets HUGE pops. Sure, he's not on the level of someone like Hogan...but very, very few people in the industry are. He's still a very big star, and I just don't see how you could deny that.
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Post by hammer4life on Feb 23, 2011 14:21:55 GMT -5
Who'll be the heel in this match up? From the reactions last night, i'd say that Taker might be the heel this Wrestlemania but then again will they just go the straightforward route and have both men as faces? They really need to spice it up quick as the storyline to WM builds and give us reasons to get emotionally involved in this match!
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