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Post by noleafclover1980 on Mar 19, 2011 12:20:14 GMT -5
That's what takedowns are for. Get taken down, kimura locked in with no referee, bam, broken arm. I've seen people go for takedowns in real fights though. Majority of the time they get either kneed in the head as they charge or punched in the back of the head. There's a difference between some dumb ass bro that thinks he knows how to shoot for a take down and and actual trained fighter doing it. I've seen guys with amateur wrestling backgrounds take down people with ease in those situations. That's like saying a boxer would suck in a street fight because there are no gloves and rules. Against some average joe, even a crappier ranked boxer would wipe the floor with em.
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Post by wildojinx on Mar 19, 2011 12:32:49 GMT -5
Whats sad is that im sure there are guys in MMA who have respect for pro wrestlers, and vice versa. Heck, taker, austin, and rock are big MMA fans.
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Post by Joe Galt on Mar 19, 2011 12:40:20 GMT -5
I remember being hyped up for that infamous Tyson/Holyfield fight from the mid-nineties. I remember my friend throwing down 35 bucks just for that fight. It ended quickly because of Mike Tyson biting the ears of Evander Holyfield in an early round. The same year the WWF and WCW were getting white hot and giving you your money`s worth for each of their PPVs. The hyped main events usually predictably delivered well. This is why I will never order a MMA or Boxing PPV. I want my money`s worth. I like wrestling`s predictability in this manner.
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Post by agent817 on Mar 19, 2011 12:56:17 GMT -5
Whats sad is that im sure there are guys in MMA who have respect for pro wrestlers, and vice versa. Heck, taker, austin, and rock are big MMA fans. Well, Tito Ortiz was at WM XIX. Also, I've read that Quinton Jackson is fan of wrestling. Anyway, the fans are what sort of turn me off of MMA. I don't have a problem with the sport one bit. I respect the hell out of it and I do enjoy the fights like I enjoy watching a boxing match or even a kickboxing match. However, some of the fanbase consist of jerks who show blatant disrespect to pro wrestling, wrestlers and its fans. Look at some comments on YouTube, especially on some videos of when Ken Shamrock was in the WWF, same with a wrestling match featuring Don Frye or Josh Barnett. They say stuff like "I just lost respect for him" or "Why is he doing this fake stuff," it's really annoying.
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Post by johnnybaseball, Mantaur Fan on Mar 19, 2011 13:37:44 GMT -5
I'm finding the notion that being trained in martial arts DOESN'T help you in a fight to be somewhat perplexing.
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Post by cookiethemonster on Mar 19, 2011 13:40:34 GMT -5
I would if it wasn't so damn boring.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Mar 19, 2011 14:54:38 GMT -5
I'm finding the notion that being trained in martial arts DOESN'T help you in a fight to be somewhat perplexing. It's this weird logic that they only know how to utilize it in the confines of a match, and would apparently be super vulnerable to nut shots or something in a real fight. I won't even get into the fact that these guys routinely shrug off blows that would crumple me in pain.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Mar 19, 2011 15:03:19 GMT -5
I remember being hyped up for that infamous Tyson/Holyfield fight from the mid-nineties. I remember my friend throwing down 35 bucks just for that fight. It ended quickly because of Mike Tyson biting the ears of Evander Holyfield in an early round. The same year the WWF and WCW were getting white hot and giving you your money`s worth for each of their PPVs. The hyped main events usually predictably delivered well. This is why I will never order a MMA or Boxing PPV. I want my money`s worth. I like wrestling`s predictability in this manner. Something about this line, and having Jeff Hardy in your sig after the VR debacle is kinda ironic lol
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Post by Young Game on Mar 19, 2011 15:07:07 GMT -5
How about we all watch some SEAL fighting? This makes MMA look like the cribbage tournament at your local old folks home.
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Post by IMPRESSIVE knightwing1047 on Mar 19, 2011 15:14:38 GMT -5
I'm a fan of both and I regularly watch MMA PPVs with my friends, but I'm the only one who watches pro wrestling. When my friend at work the other day asked me what I did before coming in, I told him, well, made chicken for dinner and watched Monday Night Raw... He almost blew a gasket!
Here's my favorite like though- "They STOMP! when they PUNCH!!! Who DOES that?!" (Yes he spoke like that, quite annoying) Then he proceeded to show me how they STOMP when they PUNCH by throwing some very, very bad punches and trying to stomp on the ground at the same time. Of course I said, well, yeah they do usually stomp when they throw punches, but... damn not like that!
Oh well, at least I know his punches won't hurt if we ever come to blows.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Mar 19, 2011 15:21:35 GMT -5
I wouldn't sweat it. The UFC fanbase is actually incredibly casual, and imbeciles like this are by and far the vocal minority. In fact, in a recent poll, UFC PPV buyers were asked if they enjoyed UFC for "Sport" or for "Entertainment" (i.e the overall feel, atmosphere, excitement, etc.) and 3/4's chose Entertainment as opposed to the hardcore love of the mechanics of the game.
The "reality" doesn't mean that much to people as others would have you believe. That's why wrestling can and will always have a chance. Create a product compelling enough, and people will suspend disbelief. It's time-tested. And once Vince gets off this current Kevin Dunn broken mold, he could gain major ground again.
People have always bought fights because they believe in one guy and hate the other, or there are two people who are the best, and they fight to determine who’s superior. We've been diggin' that shit since the Roman times. Vince has the advantage because he can script a compelling match if he wants every time. It’s now just a matter of building up guys as stars so people CARE again.
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Post by cool guy on Mar 19, 2011 15:30:59 GMT -5
I wouldn't sweat it. The UFC fanbase is actually incredibly casual, and imbeciles like this are by and far the vocal minority. In fact, in a recent poll, UFC PPV buyers were asked if they enjoyed UFC for "Sport" or for "Entertainment" (i.e the overall feel, atmosphere, excitement, etc.) and 3/4's chose Entertainment as opposed to the hardcore love of the mechanics of the game. The "reality" doesn't mean that much to people as others would have you believe. That's why wrestling can and will always have a chance. Create a product compelling enough, and people will suspend disbelief. It's time-tested. And once Vince gets off this current Kevin Dunn broken mold, he could gain major ground again. People have always bought fights because they believe in one guy and hate the other, or there are two people who are the best, and they fight to determine who’s superior. We've been diggin' that s*** since the Roman times. Vince has the advantage because he can script a compelling match if he wants every time. It’s now just a matter of building up guys as stars so people CARE again. This pretty much nails it.
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Post by Joe Galt on Mar 19, 2011 16:07:03 GMT -5
I remember being hyped up for that infamous Tyson/Holyfield fight from the mid-nineties. I remember my friend throwing down 35 bucks just for that fight. It ended quickly because of Mike Tyson biting the ears of Evander Holyfield in an early round. The same year the WWF and WCW were getting white hot and giving you your money`s worth for each of their PPVs. The hyped main events usually predictably delivered well. This is why I will never order a MMA or Boxing PPV. I want my money`s worth. I like wrestling`s predictability in this manner. Something about this line, and having Jeff Hardy in your sig after the VR debacle is kinda ironic lol I almost edited it to add about that. The Jeff Hardy situation.....heck....TNA is the exception to the rule.
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Post by chaimwitz on Mar 19, 2011 16:13:25 GMT -5
dare i say if they ever had a legit fight between a few MMA stars and wrestlers, the mma guys would be on the losing end You could say this, but you would be wrong. someone must have not heard about it happening before in england. whoops.
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Post by chaimwitz on Mar 19, 2011 16:15:03 GMT -5
Unless they specifically take time to learn MMA, a pro wrestler will get his ass kicked by an MMA fighter every time. so in a street fight, mma wins hmm?
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Mar 19, 2011 16:21:47 GMT -5
The masses are overly opinionated, dimwitted idiots. This applies to just about everything, and it gets really ugly when we're talking about UFC and pro-wrestling and things of that nature. If YouTube closed their comment system, I'd shed no tears.
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Post by strykerdarksilence on Mar 19, 2011 16:24:00 GMT -5
I would say someone who earns their living deliberately striking for a knockout would have an advantage over someone who earns theirs working with the intention of NOT hurting people. There of course exceptions, legit tough guys in wrestling and guys in MMA who may not be the toughest outside of an organised match, but the rule would generally apply.
The disciplines rely on different kinds of toughness. Wrestling relies on resiliance, not pure fighting skills.
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Post by cool guy on Mar 19, 2011 16:26:01 GMT -5
Something about this line, and having Jeff Hardy in your sig after the VR debacle is kinda ironic lol I almost edited it to add about that. The Jeff Hardy situation.....heck....TNA is the exception to the rule. Even then, they payed everyone who ordered the PPV back with a six month subscription to their on demand stuff.
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Post by joebob27 on Mar 19, 2011 16:29:21 GMT -5
I would say someone who earns their living deliberately striking for a knockout would have an advantage over someone who earns theirs working with the intention of NOT hurting people. There of course exceptions, legit tough guys in wrestling and guys in MMA who may not be the toughest outside of an organised match, but the rule would generally apply. The disciplines rely on different kinds of toughness. Wrestling relies on resiliance, not pure fighting skills. I agree with this to a point. I've seen Lesnar hold back a few times when he should be whaling on someone. When he gets into the mount, sometimes it looks like a bad Shawn Michaels featherdusting. I think the pro-wrestling "instinct" not to hurt someone hurts wrestlers in "shoot" fights.
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Post by Johnny Truant on Mar 19, 2011 16:29:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I could see this going half and half. I'm sure a couple of MMA guys would absolutely wipe the floor with someone like, well, let's say The Miz. Not a slight against the guy, just an example. Now on the flipside of this, let's put an MMA guy in the cage with Kane. I think the outcome would be a little different. So in short, yes, there's going to be an MMA fighter who could demolish a WWE SuperStar, but there's going to be a few WWE SuperStars who will do the same. MMA still produces horrible clothing, either way. The Miz is the toughest motherf***er in the business, take that back.
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