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Post by joeskvorecky on Apr 9, 2011 11:38:13 GMT -5
That promoter has no soul. Too easy to say. That promoter probably paid good money to get Scott in. Scott doesn't show, he's going to have to give refunds, in all likelihood. His boys might not get paid. His family might not eat.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2011 11:47:11 GMT -5
That promoter has no soul. Too easy to say. That promoter probably paid good money to get Scott in. Scott doesn't show, he's going to have to give refunds, in all likelihood. His boys might not get paid. His family might not eat. He should have included some sort of clause saying that Hall would get the rest of his money if he showed up in condition to do his job. Scott didn't. You don't send a guy out there in that condition, it makes everyone look bad.
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Post by corndog on Apr 9, 2011 11:47:51 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but did he say he just got out of the hospital earlier that day from having a seizure? Maybe it really is something else. I would imagine that it's a combination of things now. Legit health problems, possibly prescription meds, and years of abuse on his body. They all compound on each other. I am not saying that the health problems aren't caused by years of drug and alcohol abuse. Those things were bound to catch up to him eventually. Just after reading that article that he was admitted to the hospital for extremely low blood sugar and the way he looked at this show, his lack of balance and slurred speech can be caused by low blood sugar. Also from Hall's history if he was that drunk he just wouldn't have shown up. I would also hope that Credible being his friend wouldn't allow him to go out there or the promoters to take advantage of him.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Apr 9, 2011 12:30:10 GMT -5
It's not that. Because a lot of places still book him. What makes this look bad is how careless this promotion is. If you have someone who can not walk on his own. Need to help him do anything at all. From walking to the ring to just standing in it. You don't put him out there. Hall been in a lot of shows with his rep but never did he show up in that bad of condition. The guy was in seriously bad shape and they didn't care. They shouldn't have put him out there. They should have tooken him to a hospitial. reports say he couldn't sign an autograph. Then really what is the point of him being there then. This company should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this to happen. They make TNA look like saints here because at less Jeff hardy could do this under his own power. You think after what did happen with Jeff. It be a wakeup call for other promotions to pay attention to there talent. Um. If as you say...he can't if he can't walk on his own...needed help to do anything at all...walking to the ring and standing in it...can't sign autographs....shouldn't have been there in the first place... WHY BOOK HIM. It has everything to do with it! You know what you get with Scott Hall. Ok this is the FIRST TIME. Hall showed up in this bad of shape. Never before did he show up so bad he couldn't do anything. When you book a guy it normally months in advance. Even with his track record, they is no telling that Hall would be in this condition. Because as many problems he has had before. Never was he so bad that he couldn't do the job at all. The promotor should have tooken action when he showed up in that matter. Not send him out there with the embarassment that "whole look, my big guest showed up screwed up. Lets all look at him. And lets all see how careless I am for his well being."
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Apr 9, 2011 12:39:22 GMT -5
I'm gonna take this in a much dark direction, since my opinion on the seediness of pro wrestling is pretty low.
Could some of these promotions be booking Scott solely for purposes like this? It could very well be the Charlie Sheen factor by now, where he's getting booked so people get to see the trainwreck. And let's not kid ourselves, the wrestling business itself (fans, Hall's friends, etc) are Scott Hall's biggest enabler. As long as he keeps getting bookings, and as long as people keep coming to see him, this will probably keep happening until it's too late for anything to be done, if Scott Hall even wants anything to be done.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Apr 9, 2011 12:48:22 GMT -5
I'm gonna take this in a much dark direction, since my opinion on the seediness of pro wrestling is pretty low. Could some of these promotions be booking Scott solely for purposes like this? It could very well be the Charlie Sheen factor by now, where he's getting booked so people get to see the trainwreck. And let's not kid ourselves, the wrestling business itself (fans, Hall's friends, etc) are Scott Hall's biggest enabler. As long as he keeps getting bookings, and as long as people keep coming to see him, this will probably keep happening until it's too late for anything to be done, if Scott Hall even wants anything to be done. You make a good point. The same can be said for Jake Roberts before he recently retired. He was still getting bookings for an expected trainreck to happen. That is why people still book Iron Shiek. To expect him to show up and go in his rants about whoever and cuss like a sailer. It is a shame that promotors would do these things and people find entertainment out of it.
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Post by hoganhallnash on Apr 9, 2011 12:49:28 GMT -5
Um. If as you say...he can't if he can't walk on his own...needed help to do anything at all...walking to the ring and standing in it...can't sign autographs....shouldn't have been there in the first place... WHY BOOK HIM. It has everything to do with it! You know what you get with Scott Hall. Ok this is the FIRST TIME. Hall showed up in this bad of shape. Never before did he show up so bad he couldn't do anything. When you book a guy it normally months in advance. Even with his track record, they is no telling that Hall would be in this condition. Because as many problems he has had before. Never was he so bad that he couldn't do the job at all. The promotor should have tooken action when he showed up in that matter. Not send him out there with the embarassment that "whole look, my big guest showed up screwed up. Lets all look at him. And lets all see how careless I am for his well being." You still didn't explain my point. Why book him in the first place?
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Post by beez on Apr 9, 2011 12:51:59 GMT -5
Yeah, it's funny, I actually had typed "mostly" then went back and forth on it several times before settling on what I ended up typing. I'd say you're probably correct. I just tend to err on the other side when it comes to whole question of where the disease ends and personal responsibility begins, but it's a question I sort of wrestle with and go back and forth on. I agree wholeheartedly that the man's got a disease, and it's not an easy one to cure, but he clearly doesn't have the willpower or self-respect to even try, so I've kind of given up on Hall. If it were as easy as summoning the "will power" and "self respect" to "try" then NO ONE would be an alcoholic. Sorry dude but your attitude pisses me off. You know about the disease but you don't understand it. You're assigning catch phrases like "will power" and "self respect' like a bogus self help guru. Just catch phrases with no respect to the reality of being trapped in a cycle of self abuse.
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Post by rogers67 on Apr 9, 2011 12:58:01 GMT -5
That promoter has no soul.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Apr 9, 2011 12:58:40 GMT -5
I agree wholeheartedly that the man's got a disease, and it's not an easy one to cure, but he clearly doesn't have the willpower or self-respect to even try, so I've kind of given up on Hall. If it were as easy as summoning the "will power" and "self respect" to "try" then NO ONE would be an alcoholic. Sorry dude but your attitude pisses me off. You know about the disease but you don't understand it. You're assigning catch phrases like "will power" and "self respect' like a bogus self help guru. Just catch phrases with no respect to the reality of being trapped in a cycle of self abuse. No one's saying it's easy. My uncle was an alcoholic for 25 years. Now he's clean. He manned up, faced the reality of his situation, and made a concerted effort to get better. Was it easy? Hell no, but it was possible, and HE made it happen. Flat fact of the matter is, you have to WANT to help yourself. Hall clearly doesn't, so why should I give a shit about him?
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 9, 2011 13:08:46 GMT -5
That promoter has no soul. Too easy to say. That promoter probably paid good money to get Scott in. Scott doesn't show, he's going to have to give refunds, in all likelihood. His boys might not get paid. His family might not eat. Most promotions - wrestling, MMA and boxing, cover this aspect with four words most of the time: "Card Subject to Change"
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Post by beez on Apr 9, 2011 13:12:42 GMT -5
If it were as easy as summoning the "will power" and "self respect" to "try" then NO ONE would be an alcoholic. Sorry dude but your attitude pisses me off. You know about the disease but you don't understand it. You're assigning catch phrases like "will power" and "self respect' like a bogus self help guru. Just catch phrases with no respect to the reality of being trapped in a cycle of self abuse. No one's saying it's easy. My uncle was an alcoholic for 25 years. Now he's clean. He manned up, faced the reality of his situation, and made a concerted effort to get better. Was it easy? Hell no, but it was possible, and HE made it happen. Flat fact of the matter is, you have to WANT to help yourself. Hall clearly doesn't, so why should I give a s*** about him? Applying one person's situation to another's in the "you should be like ____" way is how people end up with mental illness in the first place. Alcoholism/substance abuse certainly falls into this category and you saying that your uncle is clean so why isn't Scott and because he's not like your uncle then why should you care is exactly what's wrong with your pov on this whole thing. I literally cannot stand people with your attitude. I hope you never ever have something you can't control go wrong with you psychologically cause all the people like yourself coming up and saying they don't give a f*** about you because you can't recover like so-and-so is going to make you put a bullet in your brain.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Apr 9, 2011 13:13:04 GMT -5
Too easy to say. That promoter probably paid good money to get Scott in. Scott doesn't show, he's going to have to give refunds, in all likelihood. His boys might not get paid. His family might not eat. Most promotions - wrestling, MMA and boxing, cover this aspect with four words most of the time: "Card Subject to Change" Yep, or as I like to call it, the "Get Out Of Refund Free" card.
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Post by beez on Apr 9, 2011 13:21:27 GMT -5
And it's not just the stupid comparing (my uncle is clean. why isn't scott? f*** him.), it's the need to "punish" for not being clean, instead of helping/at least being indifferent you're prepared to throw stones. Okay, you don't give a f***. So what? You're ignorant.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Apr 9, 2011 13:23:21 GMT -5
And it's not just the stupid comparing (my uncle is clean. why isn't scott? f*** him.), it's the need to "punish" for not being clean, instead of helping/at least being indifferent you're prepared to throw stones. Okay, you don't give a f***. So what? You're ignorant. Again, it's clearly the lifestyle he's chosen, why should I cry for him? I'm not throwing stones, but I'm also not ready to hold a benefit show for him, or act like it's a surprise when the worst eventually happens. I am the textbook definition of apathetic.
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Post by generationxero on Apr 9, 2011 14:57:10 GMT -5
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Post by ________ has left the building on Apr 9, 2011 15:14:40 GMT -5
Time is no longer on his side.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Apr 9, 2011 15:17:30 GMT -5
The promoter of the Fanfest I've been going to tweeted an apparent reference to this a little while ago. I'm not looking right at it, but it was something like, "Some people will do anything to sell an iPPV"
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Post by Andrew is Good on Apr 9, 2011 15:24:51 GMT -5
Basically, that promoter should be out of business. If he books an event, this video needs to be sent to the guy who owns the building and cancel the show, just like what happened with Ian Rotten.
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Post by Zenengage on Apr 9, 2011 16:15:28 GMT -5
Let's look at the facts: Apparently, two days ago, Scott Hall had hypotension (low blood pressure), and had to be hospitalized because of it, and had a change in heart medications ( mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=140808) Then, the next day, Scott Hall looks absolutely terrible at an indy show, and the TMZ reports that he's being hospitalized again for "cardiac issues" ( www.tmz.com/2011/04/09/scott-hall-hospital-wrestling-top-rope-promotions-medications-cardiac/). Scott looked dizzy and had obvious difficulty with balance, both of which are cardinal symptoms of hypotension. As a pharmacy intern, I can tell you that one of the potential side effects of blood pressure medications is hypotension. If they recently made a change to his medication regimen, they could have very easily worsened the problem, and thus, his blood pressure remained too low. If TMZ is to be believed, and it really was a cardiac issue, this seems more likely than assuming that he must have been drunk/high, just because it's Scott Hall. The one thing I think everybody can agree on is that he had absolutely no business being in the ring, and the promoter should have known better.
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