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Post by Society of the Spectacle on Apr 10, 2011 10:49:14 GMT -5
I really think Hall needs some new handlers. Why are these people even booking him for these shows in the first place?
If I were his handlers, I would send a directive to all indy inquirers that Hall's in-ring career is over. Otherwise, he's going to die in the ring. It practically looked like he collapsed to death already when he took that "bump." No matter what Hall says, they should refuse to accept bookings for him. I know that's easier said than done since Hall could just find a "handler" that will say "yes" for him, but that handler will have blood on his hands.
If I were the fans at that show, I would have booed the hell out of that. I couldn't really make out the crowd noise in the video. But first off, who is entertained by watching a guy get helped to the ring, helped to stand up, helped to do a couple spots at a wrestling show? That's what they have to do with Mae Young, and she's heading for her nineties. Also, I'd understand if the fans were happy to see Hall--a true legend-- but after about a minute of him looking like he was going to collapse, I would have booed the hell out of the promoter or whoever was doing this to Hall. No payday is worth this surely. Especially when indy promoters are involved.
If I were Hall, I would try my best to find something productive to do that gives meaning to me, aside from competing. He likes doing shoot videos, and he's had some really good ones and real bad ones, but eventually people are going to get tired of the same Kliq stories and so on.
I know he made some videos to the effect that he was giving some guys some pointers while they were in the ring, perhaps he should go more into that. I'm sure a lot of guys would pay good money (just as good as these back alley indies he's been working) to get trained or advised by Hall ( and maybe Waltman as well.) In a perfect world, Hall and Roberts would both be agents for WWE, as their knowledge of business would be so helpful to young guys who need help with psychology. But yeah, that's a perfect world scenario.
I've been a Hall fan for a long time, but after a while, you just can't help losing more and more respect for people who proceed like he does. Vince has tried to help, HBK and Hunter tried, and I know Hall probably was heartbroken to not be able to participate in that Kliq moment at the Hall of Fame, but at some point he has to connect the dots. Again, I know this is all easier said than done, but if all walks of life, people have shown that they are capable of amazing shows of will, overcoming addictions, medical problems, and other impossible situations. However, those people at some point found something to live for. And until Hall finds something to live for, then we're all going to have to look on as he pushes himself into a grave.
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Post by Jimmy on Apr 10, 2011 14:31:13 GMT -5
That was really sad, he was like an old man with Parkinsons. When they realised that they had to carry him to the ring that should have raised alarm bells. I don't think he was drunk or high on recreational narcotics, I think he is just very very ill, and probably having a bad reaction to prescription medication. He should have been no where near a wrestling event, they guy thought he was in the UK for f***s sake. Yeah I think it's sad that everyone assumes he's under the influence here, even if Hall's past behavior would point that way.
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Post by repomanfan on Apr 10, 2011 15:07:47 GMT -5
I really think Hall needs some new handlers. Why are these people even booking him for these shows in the first place? If I were his handlers, I would send a directive to all indy inquirers that Hall's in-ring career is over. Otherwise, he's going to die in the ring. It practically looked like he collapsed to death already when he took that "bump." No matter what Hall says, they should refuse to accept bookings for him. I know that's easier said than done since Hall could just find a "handler" that will say "yes" for him, but that handler will have blood on his hands. If I were the fans at that show, I would have booed the hell out of that. I couldn't really make out the crowd noise in the video. But first off, who is entertained by watching a guy get helped to the ring, helped to stand up, helped to do a couple spots at a wrestling show? That's what they have to do with Mae Young, and she's heading for her nineties. Also, I'd understand if the fans were happy to see Hall--a true legend-- but after about a minute of him looking like he was going to collapse, I would have booed the hell out of the promoter or whoever was doing this to Hall. No payday is worth this surely. Especially when indy promoters are involved. If I were Hall, I would try my best to find something productive to do that gives meaning to me, aside from competing. He likes doing shoot videos, and he's had some really good ones and real bad ones, but eventually people are going to get tired of the same Kliq stories and so on. I know he made some videos to the effect that he was giving some guys some pointers while they were in the ring, perhaps he should go more into that. I'm sure a lot of guys would pay good money (just as good as these back alley indies he's been working) to get trained or advised by Hall ( and maybe Waltman as well.) In a perfect world, Hall and Roberts would both be agents for WWE, as their knowledge of business would be so helpful to young guys who need help with psychology. But yeah, that's a perfect world scenario. I've been a Hall fan for a long time, but after a while, you just can't help losing more and more respect for people who proceed like he does. Vince has tried to help, HBK and Hunter tried, and I know Hall probably was heartbroken to not be able to participate in that Kliq moment at the Hall of Fame, but at some point he has to connect the dots. Again, I know this is all easier said than done, but if all walks of life, people have shown that they are capable of amazing shows of will, overcoming addictions, medical problems, and other impossible situations. However, those people at some point found something to live for. And until Hall finds something to live for, then we're all going to have to look on as he pushes himself into a grave. Guy's like Jake and Hall should be booker's. I know bookers don't exist anymore, and have been replaced with wannabe sitcom writers but it would be cool to have actual wrestlers actually coming up with story lines. As far as his drinking is concerned; I remember reading something that Hall said. He mentioned that having " money can be a blessing or a curse". Who knows what that means? Maybe fame and fortune wasn't something that Hall was able to handle very well?
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Post by Wolfpack Bitch on Apr 10, 2011 15:28:35 GMT -5
Made me very sad to watch Scott like that, but there are several things to consider. First, he's a grown adult who has been making his own decisions for a long time now, albeit, often the wrong ones. He's out there trying to do the same thing as everyone else is.. make some money. If people are willing to book him, as is, to make an appearance, he's got every right to do that.
I don't normally follow twitter, but I glanced at Kevin Nash's twitter page and some of what he said as of 15 hours ago.. is that Scott is in a hospital (up north) and Kevin will be there to get him when he lands to take him home. Said something to the effect of 'Scott would give any of you a kidney if you needed it' leading me to believe that Scott needs a kidney or is in some type of renal failure. Again, only what I'm reading in to things, could be way off base.
He looked sick, he didn't look high or drunk. He's been functioning for so long in that capacity, it's almost second nature. When he went down in that ring, he was so gone he couldn't even sell the kicks he was receiving.
I pray that he gets the medical help he needs.
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Post by Mighty Mouth on Apr 10, 2011 15:57:27 GMT -5
You can watch it all - plus unedited backstage footage on iPPV tonight @ wrestlestream.com for $9.99 [/cheap plug]
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Apr 10, 2011 16:52:25 GMT -5
Ok everyone there is more to this. Before I go into this Justin Credible who is supost to be his friend. Why did he not step in. No way should he tooken a bump or anything. He has a pass maker for crying out loud. What kind of friend push another friend in that kind of risk. Not take action to say he not going out there he needs help. Now credit nodq.com for the following. One from Kevin Nash which I spoiler for laugange warning. {Spoiler}
From Kevin Nash's Twitter Page
"Scott is in the hospital up north,I’ll be at the airport when he lands and taking him to my home when he lands. Please don’t judge Scott on what you just saw.He would give any of you a kidney. to the motherf—– that made a joke who would want his kidney lol send me your address and lets see how funny it is. he’s my brother we will get through this. To Scotts fans thank you 4 your love you’re as special as he is”
So Hall went to the Hospitial after this show. He was on Ten different Meds. Now it appears Kevin Nash is with him. But still I'm kinda made for the lack of help Justin Credible did for his friend. He didn't sound that conserned in that interview either.
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Post by VINTAGE GRIDLOCK! on Apr 10, 2011 16:57:29 GMT -5
He's as good as gone
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Apr 10, 2011 17:04:15 GMT -5
The promoters showing THAT as a teaser and then charging $10 to watch it on PPV...............that is just disgraceful. That's something Ian Rotten would do.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Apr 10, 2011 17:17:36 GMT -5
This is very sad. Just a week or two ago, when he made the video with Larry Z (RE: Jericho), Hall looked and sounded sober and happy. I don't think it was an act, his face had cleared up, which was a sign that he hadn't been doing anything.
Hall has said he drinks mostly beer...so it would take A LOT of beer to make a 6-foot-6, heavy dude with a high tolerance from years of abusing alcohol to look in that bad of shape. It has to be the meds he's taking.
If he has heart issues, he already has one strike against him for just being tall. That's not counting the years of abusing alcohol, drugs, and steroids.
Really sad. I was always a huge mark for him, and came to respect his knowledge and love for the business after reading a great shoot that Keller had with him, printed in the Torch.
Years of burning bridges and goofing off probably cost him a spot in creative or as an agent. He's been working with that wrestling school in Orlando, which seemed cool. Hopefully he gets healthy again to keep pursuing that, even if it's a side hobby/distraction from his demons.
Hopefully it's not too late.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Apr 10, 2011 17:30:35 GMT -5
When I say this know that I have thought he was a good wrestler in his prime....but I'm not sure he's going to make it to the end of this year. If even one more match like this happens, he's in a place where he looked like he was going to die any bump.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Apr 10, 2011 17:31:23 GMT -5
The promoters showing THAT as a teaser and then charging $10 to watch it on PPV...............that is just disgraceful. That's something Ian Rotten would do. I read somewhere that the promotion actually doesn't want it to air but, the IPPV company owns the footage and is running it despite their protests. Don't know how much is marketing and how much is true though.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Apr 10, 2011 17:32:51 GMT -5
I hope WWE gives him and/or Nash an induction into the HOF next year to give him a reason to stay clean. You've got to believe that missing out on the Kliq reunion a couple weeks back hurt him. The irony is, it seems like it was during the time of the Kliq's mid-nineties heyday where he picked up these terrible habits. T his was the guy who was taught the rights & wrongs of the wrestling business by Curt Hennig when he was in the AWA. I doubt he approved of Hall's antics years later in the WWF. While HBK & Nash have moved on from those days, Hall is still hopelessly stuck in the past. My own theory is that the man is still riddled with guilt over some of the s***ty things he & his friends did back in the day (Waltman is exactly the same). I found it interesting when Hall was asked in an interview if he & the Kliq went too far in their shabby treatment of Chris Candido and after a long pause he admitted he did. Around the same time, Nash was asked a similar question and just laughed it off like Candido didn't matter. I'm not sure about HBK, but I'm sure he will be more diplomatic nowadays compared to the 'old Shawn' who clearly had no respect for 'little Candido'. Rambling a bit here, but I genuinely think that Scott Hall is someone who just can't face up to some of the things he done in the past and needs the escape that drugs & alcohol brings. For him, rehab is somewhere you go to lay low for a while rather than a place where you change your life. Hall was one of my favourite wrestlers ever. I watched a couple of minutes of that video before I could stomach it no more. Sad. The same Curt Hennig that died of a cocaine overdose? Let's not kid ourselves... EVERYBODY was drugged out in the 80's and 90's for the most part.
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Post by Bauertainments on Apr 10, 2011 17:43:21 GMT -5
I hope he doesn't die soon because of this.
Obviously, Scott doesn't want to be like this, because he has tried many times to get clean, and to see this is just heartbreaking.
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Post by repomanfan on Apr 10, 2011 17:46:10 GMT -5
I hope WWE gives him and/or Nash an induction into the HOF next year to give him a reason to stay clean. You've got to believe that missing out on the Kliq reunion a couple weeks back hurt him. The irony is, it seems like it was during the time of the Kliq's mid-nineties heyday where he picked up these terrible habits. This was the guy who was taught the rights & wrongs of the wrestling business by Curt Hennig when he was in the AWA. I doubt he approved of Hall's antics years later in the WWF. While HBK & Nash have moved on from those days, Hall is still hopelessly stuck in the past. My own theory is that the man is still riddled with guilt over some of the s***ty things he & his friends did back in the day (Waltman is exactly the same). I found it interesting when Hall was asked in an interview if he & the Kliq went too far in their shabby treatment of Chris Candido and after a long pause he admitted he did. Around the same time, Nash was asked a similar question and just laughed it off like Candido didn't matter. I'm not sure about HBK, but I'm sure he will be more diplomatic nowadays compared to the 'old Shawn' who clearly had no respect for 'little Candido'. Rambling a bit here, but I genuinely think that Scott Hall is someone who just can't face up to some of the things he done in the past and needs the escape that drugs & alcohol brings. For him, rehab is somewhere you go to lay low for a while rather than a place where you change your life. Hall was one of my favourite wrestlers ever. I watched a couple of minutes of that video before I could stomach it no more. Sad. What did they do to Chris Candido? The stuff that they did couldn't of been that bad; could it?
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Post by lordkain316 on Apr 10, 2011 18:40:35 GMT -5
I hope WWE gives him and/or Nash an induction into the HOF next year to give him a reason to stay clean. You've got to believe that missing out on the Kliq reunion a couple weeks back hurt him. The irony is, it seems like it was during the time of the Kliq's mid-nineties heyday where he picked up these terrible habits. T his was the guy who was taught the rights & wrongs of the wrestling business by Curt Hennig when he was in the AWA. I doubt he approved of Hall's antics years later in the WWF. While HBK & Nash have moved on from those days, Hall is still hopelessly stuck in the past. My own theory is that the man is still riddled with guilt over some of the s***ty things he & his friends did back in the day (Waltman is exactly the same). I found it interesting when Hall was asked in an interview if he & the Kliq went too far in their shabby treatment of Chris Candido and after a long pause he admitted he did. Around the same time, Nash was asked a similar question and just laughed it off like Candido didn't matter. I'm not sure about HBK, but I'm sure he will be more diplomatic nowadays compared to the 'old Shawn' who clearly had no respect for 'little Candido'. Rambling a bit here, but I genuinely think that Scott Hall is someone who just can't face up to some of the things he done in the past and needs the escape that drugs & alcohol brings. For him, rehab is somewhere you go to lay low for a while rather than a place where you change your life. Hall was one of my favourite wrestlers ever. I watched a couple of minutes of that video before I could stomach it no more. Sad. The same Curt Hennig that died of a cocaine overdose? Let's not kid ourselves... EVERYBODY was drugged out in the 80's and 90's for the most part. Not only that but Curt Hennig was a massive alcoholic as well and it's been rumored that Hennig was the one who started Scott Hall on his addictions which he's battling to this day.
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Post by nisidhe on Apr 10, 2011 19:06:02 GMT -5
I don't blame Scott's friends for detaching themselves from his disease. One can only try so hard to save an addict before the obsession to save becomes one's own disease. Unless you've had to change your schedule with an addict's moods or whims, cancelled plans made months in advance at the very last minute to try to comfort an addict, or been estranged from others for the sake of keeping an addict alive one more day, you really can't appreciate the "contagious" nature of dependency.
If his alcoholism is active, then Scott Hall's responsibility begins and ends with the first drink he takes. Only Scott can begin the process of his own recovery. If he will not, then the natural progression of his disease will end in his death. The responsibility of friends, family, fans even, ends at the tips of our noses. Every step we may take to control the addiction will only shield him from the consequences of his actions. If we continue to book him, if we continue to support his booking by buying tickets, then he may never see where the addiction will lead him.
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Post by Bald Bull on Apr 10, 2011 19:35:45 GMT -5
The promoters showing THAT as a teaser and then charging $10 to watch it on PPV...............that is just disgraceful. That's something Ian Rotten would do. Ian would lie, tell everybody he is dead. Then throw a tribute show where all the boys work for free and then pocket all of the cash.
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Post by Malcolm Tucker for PM on Apr 10, 2011 21:22:38 GMT -5
I hope WWE gives him and/or Nash an induction into the HOF next year to give him a reason to stay clean. You've got to believe that missing out on the Kliq reunion a couple weeks back hurt him. The irony is, it seems like it was during the time of the Kliq's mid-nineties heyday where he picked up these terrible habits. T his was the guy who was taught the rights & wrongs of the wrestling business by Curt Hennig when he was in the AWA. I doubt he approved of Hall's antics years later in the WWF. While HBK & Nash have moved on from those days, Hall is still hopelessly stuck in the past. My own theory is that the man is still riddled with guilt over some of the s***ty things he & his friends did back in the day (Waltman is exactly the same). I found it interesting when Hall was asked in an interview if he & the Kliq went too far in their shabby treatment of Chris Candido and after a long pause he admitted he did. Around the same time, Nash was asked a similar question and just laughed it off like Candido didn't matter. I'm not sure about HBK, but I'm sure he will be more diplomatic nowadays compared to the 'old Shawn' who clearly had no respect for 'little Candido'. Rambling a bit here, but I genuinely think that Scott Hall is someone who just can't face up to some of the things he done in the past and needs the escape that drugs & alcohol brings. For him, rehab is somewhere you go to lay low for a while rather than a place where you change your life. Hall was one of my favourite wrestlers ever. I watched a couple of minutes of that video before I could stomach it no more. Sad. The same Curt Hennig that died of a cocaine overdose? Let's not kid ourselves... EVERYBODY was drugged out in the 80's and 90's for the most part. Sorry, that sentence of mine was a little vague, I was referring to Hall's behaviour in the WWF when he was in the Kliq. Hennig was a very well respected guy within the industry and always did the right thing by the company and his fellow pros unlike Hall in the mid-nineties who was concerned about himself and his friends only even it was to the detriment of other guys. Of course, Curt Hennig had his own demons and could not be described as a rolemodel in any way shape or form when it came to drugs and alcohol. First I've heard about any rumour that suggests Hennig was a bad influence on Scott Hall in that way though. Nash has said that it's a minor miracle that all the Kliq members are still alive due to the extremely dangerous level of drug and alcohol abuse that frequently led to ODs and confrontations in public while they were out partying. When HHH joined the WWF and became their designated driver he was absolutely stunned with the situations these guys got themselves into.
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Post by Krimzon on Apr 10, 2011 21:26:59 GMT -5
People need to stop booking Hall. Every time I log on here and see a thread with "Scott Hall" at the start, I think "that day" has finally come. I don't even know what to feel anymore. The man has got to be living in some circle of Hell. Part of me just wants him to depart so he can finally be at peace. I know that's an extremely morbid thing to say, but at this point, it's all that I can feel for the guy since I honestly believe that he won't get any better.
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Post by Malcolm Tucker for PM on Apr 10, 2011 21:37:12 GMT -5
I hope WWE gives him and/or Nash an induction into the HOF next year to give him a reason to stay clean. You've got to believe that missing out on the Kliq reunion a couple weeks back hurt him. The irony is, it seems like it was during the time of the Kliq's mid-nineties heyday where he picked up these terrible habits. This was the guy who was taught the rights & wrongs of the wrestling business by Curt Hennig when he was in the AWA. I doubt he approved of Hall's antics years later in the WWF. While HBK & Nash have moved on from those days, Hall is still hopelessly stuck in the past. My own theory is that the man is still riddled with guilt over some of the s***ty things he & his friends did back in the day (Waltman is exactly the same). I found it interesting when Hall was asked in an interview if he & the Kliq went too far in their shabby treatment of Chris Candido and after a long pause he admitted he did. Around the same time, Nash was asked a similar question and just laughed it off like Candido didn't matter. I'm not sure about HBK, but I'm sure he will be more diplomatic nowadays compared to the 'old Shawn' who clearly had no respect for 'little Candido'. Rambling a bit here, but I genuinely think that Scott Hall is someone who just can't face up to some of the things he done in the past and needs the escape that drugs & alcohol brings. For him, rehab is somewhere you go to lay low for a while rather than a place where you change your life. Hall was one of my favourite wrestlers ever. I watched a couple of minutes of that video before I could stomach it no more. Sad. What did they do to Chris Candido? The stuff that they did couldn't of been that bad; could it? HBK was banging Sunny frequently while his friends would stand outside the dressing room to make sure Candido didn't interrupt. That's one thing, but they also took great pleasure in belittling Candido at every turn professionally and personally. Bam Bam Bigelow & Shane Douglas once found a letter in his bag that was basically a suicide note. Michaels admitted that he used to suggest stuff for 'little Candido' all the time to Vince (as if banging his girlfriend and humiliating him in the locker room wasn't enough). They all treated him like shit for their own amusement.
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