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Post by Joe Galt on Aug 25, 2011 13:23:04 GMT -5
CM Punk uses Colt Cabana. Kevin Nash is Confused. *Nash tries running away* *Knees buckle* *Can`t run*
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Aug 25, 2011 13:29:33 GMT -5
Why is everyone associating kicking with wrestling? If Punk was legitimately trained, he could certainly implement them in a fight. Size is an advantage, but not an insurmountable one. Because in Wrestling, most of Punk's kicks are thrown when his opponent is in position. In a real fight, that wouldn't be the case. That's why the "Break the board" part of martial arts is bull**** because it does nothing for you in a real fight. As far as Punk's training, I haven't seen any sources saying that he has actual training. Although if anybody has any, I would be willing to admit that I'm wrong Right, but I'm saying if he WAS legitimately trained, it isn't as if they would be useless in a fight.
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Post by moneyman20 on Aug 25, 2011 13:32:20 GMT -5
Because in Wrestling, most of Punk's kicks are thrown when his opponent is in position. In a real fight, that wouldn't be the case. That's why the "Break the board" part of martial arts is bull**** because it does nothing for you in a real fight. As far as Punk's training, I haven't seen any sources saying that he has actual training. Although if anybody has any, I would be willing to admit that I'm wrong Right, but I'm saying if he WAS legitimately trained, it isn't as if they would be useless in a fight. I see what you're saying now. If he could throw legitimate kicks to Big Sexy's legs like Jose Aldo does, then it would be a long fight for Nash.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 25, 2011 13:34:49 GMT -5
Let's compare.
Age: Punk is 20 years younger, in the prime of his life. Sure, being 50 doesn't mean you become weak, but keep in mind that Nash is 50-year-old professional wrestler. He's been injured, beat up, drunk, drugged up, and all sorts of crap for the better part of 20 years. Twenty years for a professional wrestler isn't the same thing as 20 years for an accountant. Punk himself has gotten some injuries, Nash just has longer on it. Punk has a clear advantage.
Size: Nash is around a foot taller than Punk. In pure boxing, that's a pretty big advantage. MMA has shown us time and time again though that height isn't really a huge advantage. While Nash is bigger, there's only so much of an advantage that that can give.
Toughness: Both are tough. They're professional wrestlers, you don't last as a professional wrestler if you're not tough. So Nash was a bouncer for a few years, he endured more as a wrestler than he ever did as a bouncer. Nash's longevity would probably make him slightly tougher, but let's not pretend that Punk is a marshmallow.
Strength: Nash is most likely a lot stronger, due largely to his size. Clear advantage for Nash.
Technique: This is where it gets tricky. Nash has bad knees and everyone knows it. That's a huge disadvantage, and one that is easily exploitable in any actual fight. Punk is still agile, and unless you're in a wheel chair or are built like Big Dick Johnson, you can get a heel to the knee faster than Nash would ever be able to bend down and grab it. You're not talking about kicking the shins here, a good, solid hit and Nash could be out for good. It doesn't take a martial arts expert to do that, anyone can put a heel to the knee with enough force to f*** someone up. I've studied it, that part of the body is really easily screwed up.
Nash, meanwhile, could probably also end this in a hit if he got it solid enough to the face. Question is, is he fast enough to get a solid punch to Punk? I'm not so sure. While his reach might take a while to get into, I'd take agility for getting out of the way. Remember, Nash is a 50-year-old professional wrestler, he's going to get winded faster than Punk. Any failure to hit is going to hurt Nash a lot more than it will Punk.
Verdict: I just can't get over Nash's age and background. I know Nash is definitely a bad ass, but I think youth and better health takes out pure size and strength.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Aug 25, 2011 13:40:10 GMT -5
Keeping in mind Nash's probable mobility issues(a guy his size, at his age, his knees and hips have to be pretty shot), this would basically be Punk picking a fight with an old man. He'd be a douche for it, but he'd win.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2011 13:42:31 GMT -5
In the end, Sandman would cane them both.
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Post by Psychoblue on Aug 25, 2011 13:43:40 GMT -5
Punk would have to use all that youth and quickness to his advantage, because as soon as Nash got his hands on him, it would be over very quickly and very painfully.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Aug 25, 2011 13:44:18 GMT -5
Let's compare. ... Verdict: I just can't get over Nash's age and background. I know Nash is definitely a bad ass, but I think youth and better health takes out pure size and strength. How about Nash in his prime?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2011 13:45:50 GMT -5
I know MMA has exploded in popularity in recent years and a lot of people are more knowledgeable about different combat techniques, but still, where I’m from, if two guys got into a fight and one of them started throwing kicks at the other guys legs or “went for a leg-takedown” everyone around would burst out laughing.
Maybe it’s old fashioned but when I think of two people fighting irl I still imagine it simply coming down to who has the hardest punch 95% of the time. First person to get knocked out or back off loses, unless the fight gets broken up by spectators.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2011 13:48:11 GMT -5
I know MMA has exploded in popularity in recent years and a lot of people are more knowledgeable about different combat techniques, but still, where I’m from, if two guys got into a fight and one of them started throwing kicks at the other guys legs or “went for a leg-takedown” everyone around would burst out laughing. Maybe it’s old fashioned but when I think of two people fighting irl I still imagine it simply coming down to who has the hardest punch 95% of the time. First person to get knocked out or back off loses, unless the fight gets broken up by spectators. Faster punches and better boxing trumps harder punches any day.
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Post by Joe Galt on Aug 25, 2011 13:52:58 GMT -5
Nash is from an era when wrestlers were mostly legit tough guys. Punk is not. This has to go in Nash's favour, even if he is broken down. He also used to ride with Rick Rude. They were known to get into fights with many people.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 25, 2011 13:53:58 GMT -5
I know MMA has exploded in popularity in recent years and a lot of people are more knowledgeable about different combat techniques, but still, where I’m from, if two guys got into a fight and one of them started throwing kicks at the other guys legs or “went for a leg-takedown” everyone around would burst out laughing. Maybe it’s old fashioned but when I think of two people fighting irl I still imagine it simply coming down to who has the hardest punch 95% of the time. First person to get knocked out or back off loses, unless the fight gets broken up by spectators. People can laugh all they want, but if you knock someone's knee out of place, it's not only gonna f***ing hurt, it's going to end a fight easier than a punch to the face. Actual fights are about winning, not about looking cool to a crowd. If someone has a disadvantage like really bad knees, then you'd be stupid to ignore it to try to throw punches to their head like Little Mac fighting Bald Bull. Let's compare. ... Verdict: I just can't get over Nash's age and background. I know Nash is definitely a bad ass, but I think youth and better health takes out pure size and strength. How about Nash in his prime? If they were both in their prime, I'd take Nash. I don't think the conditioning would be as disparate and his biggest weaknesses wouldn't have manifested themselves. Since I don't think Punk is really trained in anything, Nash would likely win.
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Post by Joe Galt on Aug 25, 2011 13:58:20 GMT -5
I know MMA has exploded in popularity in recent years and a lot of people are more knowledgeable about different combat techniques, but still, where I’m from, if two guys got into a fight and one of them started throwing kicks at the other guys legs or “went for a leg-takedown” everyone around would burst out laughing. Maybe it’s old fashioned but when I think of two people fighting irl I still imagine it simply coming down to who has the hardest punch 95% of the time. First person to get knocked out or back off loses, unless the fight gets broken up by spectators. People can laugh all they want, but if you knock someone's knee out of place, it's not only gonna f***ing hurt, it's going to end a fight easier than a punch to the face. Actual fights are about winning, not about looking cool to a crowd. If someone has a disadvantage like really bad knees, then you'd be stupid to ignore it to try to throw punches to their head like Little Mac fighting Bald Bull. Don`t forget how much adrenaline comes into play, and just because somebody has bad knees doesn`t mean that all it would take is one or two shots. Also, unless somebody is taken off guard, a good shot most likely won`t land in the intended area.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 25, 2011 14:00:37 GMT -5
Can either guys actually fight? I mean in a non-kayfabe way, is either guy well versed in legit fighting?
Cuz if so, that's your winner.
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Post by Joe Galt on Aug 25, 2011 14:01:11 GMT -5
Can either guys actually fight? I mean in a non-kayfabe way, is either guy well versed in legit fighting? Cuz if so, that's your winner. Nash certainly can. He was a bouncer at some tough bars before becoming a wrestler.
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Post by CM Dazz on Aug 25, 2011 14:06:38 GMT -5
Regardless of opponents, I'll take youth and quickness over old and slow any day.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Aug 25, 2011 14:17:11 GMT -5
Where's the option for "This is a stupid question because real fighting doesn't have anything to do with anything?"
Cheez, you might as well ask who the better painter is. (Nash, obviously)
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Post by Alex Shelley on Aug 25, 2011 14:30:09 GMT -5
CM Punk uses Colt Cabana. Kevin Nash is Confused. I'm picturing Punk just picking up Colt and gently setting him in front of Nash, and Nash just stands there like "...wtf?" Anyway, it's a hard question. Nash's age and knees are against him but like somebody mentioned, he's a smart guy and I think he'd be intelligent enough to know to expect a hit to the knees. Then again Punk is a smart guy too. So I'm not really sure who I'd pick.
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Post by chazraps on Aug 25, 2011 14:34:37 GMT -5
Does this take into account Nash's mutagen supply? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! POST OF THE DAY!
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 25, 2011 14:36:16 GMT -5
Neither
Because I would intervene and convince both guys that fighting is wrong.
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