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Post by MichaelMartini on Aug 26, 2011 0:34:01 GMT -5
This is a tough call. Nash is huge but he's old and broken. Punk is young, quick and has better stamina. I could see it going either way.
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Post by DIIV on Aug 26, 2011 1:06:35 GMT -5
lol @ Punk even holding 10% of the vote. Nash would knock him out cold with one punch.
Punk isn't really all that big or strong. Did any of you see Nash in real life? Dude is a monster, his build and everything. Age isn't a factor in this case, he's young enough to throw a punch hard enough to break bones. I've been near Punk many of times and I tower him. All of that kicking and flipping doesn't work in a 'legit' fight.
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Post by joebob27 on Aug 26, 2011 2:10:25 GMT -5
Nash has the legs of a 12 year old girl. It's closer than you'd think, mainly because of the sadness of both competitors. Punk throwing "MMA kicks" and Poochie blowing a quad trying to throw a real punch.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2011 2:14:08 GMT -5
Win or lose, the idea of a one punch knockout is getting ridiculous. Most fights just don't end in one punch knockouts, especially between two amateurs. Nash has a great chance of winning but, c'mon, look at his size, age, and health: he's just not going to go up to Punk and throw a lightning fast punch that'll knock him out cold. Also, we seem set on thinking Punk will just throw a bunch of kicks; he might but I get the idea that he'd use his fists a bit more than people are saying. I just don't see this going down as crazy muay thai kicks vs. gigantic one punch knockouts.
If it's a drag out, nonstop, last man standing brawl, then, yeah, it's interesting to think of. The reality is that, were to happen, there would be a few punches thrown, some pushing and shoving, and someone like Regal or Barrett or another random guy would break it up. Outside of maybe Batista/Booker T, I've never heard of a backstage fight between wrestlers lasting more than a couple of minutes.
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Post by joebob27 on Aug 26, 2011 2:19:22 GMT -5
Most wrestling fights don't end in anything other than embarassment. How many epic fights have you heard of.... Batista/Booker and.... and that one happened behind closed doors so who knows what actually happened.
Nash isn't as strong as you make him out to be. He towers over Cena, do you think he would knock Cena out with one punch. lol.
Punk got kicked in the face by Orton and survived. At least he can take a nasty bump or two. Maybe he can carry Nash to a * 1/2 fight. If Nash has to take a bump in a fight, we're gonna need the paramedics.
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Post by Cela on Aug 26, 2011 2:21:46 GMT -5
Punk. It would be like a number of MMA matches between giants and tiny Japanese people. I'm not saying Punk is an MMA guy, but Nash is immobile enough to be useless against him. Plus, knees.
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Post by joebob27 on Aug 26, 2011 2:25:19 GMT -5
I mean, look at that .gif lol. If Nash takes that the show would be over.
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Post by Cela on Aug 26, 2011 2:37:36 GMT -5
Also let's point out. Punk weighs 220 lbs. He has some knockout power potential.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2011 2:44:01 GMT -5
I think Nash would legit f*** him up. Yeah good one... even though Punk is trained in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Muay Thai in real-life ... and Nash is a walking muscle tear waiting to happen... get real OT- Didn't Eve choke out Matt Hardy one time backstage? lol... she knows Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu... BJJ is one of the pinnacle Martial Art forms in the world today... it can trump almost anything (Olympic Wrestling, Karate, etc...)... just ask the Gracie family CM Punk's martial arts training is a work. And BJJ can't trump almost anything. I'm sure Kazushi Sakuraba would tell you all about it. Now, as for two pro wrestlers in a legit fight... I'd reall much rather see Angle and Shamrock.
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Post by joebob27 on Aug 26, 2011 2:49:32 GMT -5
Also let's point out. Punk weighs 220 lbs. He has some knockout power potential. I don't think he does weigh that. Maybe before he got hurt. He's been really tiny lately. It's funny when they announce him and Cena and they're within 20 pounds of each other.
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Post by Ryushinku on Aug 26, 2011 3:36:54 GMT -5
What, now?
Nash's knees are shot to hell. Wind him up and get him angry enough to engage in a foot race for thirty seconds, then kick him while he's gasping.
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Post by celticjobber on Aug 26, 2011 4:17:00 GMT -5
CM Punk would annihilate him. No contest. Nash is a broken down old man. And even in his prime he would've been slow as molasses.
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Post by randomranter on Aug 26, 2011 5:10:49 GMT -5
Win or lose, the idea of a one punch knockout is getting ridiculous. Most fights just don't end in one punch knockouts, especially between two amateurs. Nash has a great chance of winning but, c'mon, look at his size, age, and health: he's just not going to go up to Punk and throw a lightning fast punch that'll knock him out cold. Also, we seem set on thinking Punk will just throw a bunch of kicks; he might but I get the idea that he'd use his fists a bit more than people are saying. I just don't see this going down as crazy muay thai kicks vs. gigantic one punch knockouts. I think the idea of a "one punch knockout" taken literally is ridiculous. However, I do believe that one well-placed punch from Nash may be all it takes to at least throw Punk off guard enough for Nash to be able to control the rest of the fight until it's over. Say what you will about Nash's legs, but that doesn't change the fact that he's still a relatively well built nearly 7 foot tall man with a lot of weight behind that punch. Punk is not going to just sit there and smile if one of those shots lands. He's very likely going to drop. Hard. At the very least, he's going to stagger back. In either case, that is likely enough of a window for someone Nash's size to take complete control of the fight and finish it. It may take more than "one punch", but that first punch for all intents and purposes is the one that ended it.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Aug 26, 2011 5:41:34 GMT -5
I say this as a Punk fan who, quite frankly, doesn't care much for Nash: Most of Punk's martial arts training, particularly his Muay Thai, is a work. That, coupled with Nash's size, strength, and real-life toughness (I'm pretty much certain he's had his share of real fights, between growing up in Detroit and wrestling in the 80's and early 90's), I don't think Punk's chances are all that great.
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Aug 26, 2011 6:45:22 GMT -5
Punk: "Good sir, I cannot possibly take any more of your disrespect. I'm afraid its time for fisticuffs." Nash: "Very well, it appears we must take ourselves outside."
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Nash: "Actually could we postpone for a minute? I cant seem to feel my lower back." Punk: "Now that you mention it, my knee seems to have slid down a few inches from where its supposed to be." Nash: "Wow, that sounds awful, dude. I think I'm gonna lie down for a minute." Punk: "Now that sounds like a good idea. Just for a minute."
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Punk: "I would have totally kicked your ass." Nash: "No you wouldnt. Is your part of the floor wet?"
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Aug 26, 2011 6:48:34 GMT -5
Wondering how many people here have actually been in a real fight....Nash lands one killer punch to Punk's face and it's over. lol @ Punk even holding 10% of the vote. Nash would knock him out cold with one punch. Punk isn't really all that big or strong. Did any of you see Nash in real life? Dude is a monster, his build and everything. Age isn't a factor in this case, he's young enough to throw a punch hard enough to break bones. I've been near Punk many of times and I tower him. All of that kicking and flipping doesn't work in a 'legit' fight. ITT: Delusional fanboys. Yeah, this.
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Post by angryfan on Aug 26, 2011 7:33:16 GMT -5
I can't believe this has gone 6 pages, but it's staying civil and entertaining, so for that I thank you all.
Oh, and Godz, as someone who has been in fights, and is (unfortunately) smaller than everyoen I've ever fought with (I'm 5' tall, so everyone towers over me) I can tell you it has some major advantages.
Most people will not instinctively go for body shots, since it's cooler to headhunt. Being a foot shorter (or more) than every opponent I've ever had, that means that they'd throw a "reglular punch" which was almost always over my head. Sure it only gave me a second, but that's enoguh time to step in and stomp into their kneecap.
Was it dirty? Hell yes, but when facing a larger opponent, the first thought is always "how can I find an advantage". I don't have any martial arts training, but understand the basic premise, as we all do, that you need a leg to stand on, and that a punch's strength comes from the legs. Sure, one solid shot would have dne me in (most likely, I learned I could take a punch pretty well early on, I got beat up on alot), but what I learned was that you can avoid a punch fairly easy, especially from a slower opponent.
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Post by Joe Galt on Aug 26, 2011 7:50:44 GMT -5
Wondering how many people here have actually been in a real fight....Nash lands one killer punch to Punk's face and it's over. lol @ Punk even holding 10% of the vote. Nash would knock him out cold with one punch. Punk isn't really all that big or strong. Did any of you see Nash in real life? Dude is a monster, his build and everything. Age isn't a factor in this case, he's young enough to throw a punch hard enough to break bones. I've been near Punk many of times and I tower him. All of that kicking and flipping doesn't work in a 'legit' fight. ITT: Delusional fanboys. Yeah, this. I`m a huge fan of Punk, but I agree with this. People keep saying that Nash is broken down to the point of being imobile. It`s not like he`s in a friggin wheelchair, and he is still getting back in the ring. Heck, from what I`ve heard, I would put money on Nash against a lot of today`s bigger guys.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 26, 2011 7:50:56 GMT -5
Wondering how many people here have actually been in a real fight....Nash lands one killer punch to Punk's face and it's over. I've been in fights, I disagree that it's so one-sided for Nash. Just because punching to the face is cooler looking doesn't make it the only, or even the most effective, way to end a fight. In fact, it really is a s***ty way, there's a reason bare knuckle fighters work the body a lot more than they work the head. There's a reason so many martial arts incorporate elbows and knees rather than punches. If it was so cut and dry that a punch to the head ended fights, that wouldn't be the case, but it isn't. It's not like Tekken where you can hit with no consequences, and a lot of people seem to think it is. In real fights, you can't discount anything other than a punch to the head. There are other ways, especially if you're willing to fight dirty, which you better be in a fight. SO many people equate what looks cool with what's most effective, and it definitely isn't that way. Yeah, one solid punch to the head could end it. One miss and a stomp to the knee could end it. Agility is a factor here, and even though Nash isn't in a wheelchair, no way he's as mobile.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Aug 26, 2011 8:20:17 GMT -5
I'm not even talking about what looks cool, really...but (and, this isnt bragging, just stating my position) I've been in a ton of fights, and the only one I'd consider a "loss" is in a wrestling match where my opponent decided to shoot on me, punched me in the face and broke my nose...that took all of the fight out of me. And this wasn't a huge guy. Imagine Nash's fist smashing into your nose...I don't think I could even remain concious after that, I dont know.
Let me also add TV does not do Nash justice...standing right in front of the guy and shaking his hand....he's a monster. I'm 6'0, and he's a monster to me. If Punk would have ANY chance of survival, it's kicking Nash in the legs repeatedly and not getting touched, because I maintain that one punch from Nash WOULD end it.
But so many of you seem to think Nash would just....stand there and get kicked till he falls. Sorry but I see Punk maybe getting in one or two kicks, Nash attacks, Punk tries a flurry but eats the fist and its over.
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