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Post by ookkie on Aug 25, 2011 14:37:51 GMT -5
Nash. He could win on his knees. Size does matter. "Size matters not! Judge me by my size, do you?" -mmm hmm heh heh! (Yoda laugh... didn't seem to come across very well)
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Post by ookkie on Aug 25, 2011 14:39:32 GMT -5
Let's compare. Age: Punk is 20 years younger, in the prime of his life. Sure, being 50 doesn't mean you become weak, but keep in mind that Nash is 50-year-old professional wrestler. He's been injured, beat up, drunk, drugged up, and all sorts of crap for the better part of 20 years. Twenty years for a professional wrestler isn't the same thing as 20 years for an accountant. Punk himself has gotten some injuries, Nash just has longer on it. Punk has a clear advantage. Size: Nash is around a foot taller than Punk. In pure boxing, that's a pretty big advantage. MMA has shown us time and time again though that height isn't really a huge advantage. While Nash is bigger, there's only so much of an advantage that that can give. Toughness: Both are tough. They're professional wrestlers, you don't last as a professional wrestler if you're not tough. So Nash was a bouncer for a few years, he endured more as a wrestler than he ever did as a bouncer. Nash's longevity would probably make him slightly tougher, but let's not pretend that Punk is a marshmallow. Strength: Nash is most likely a lot stronger, due largely to his size. Clear advantage for Nash. Technique: This is where it gets tricky. Nash has bad knees and everyone knows it. That's a huge disadvantage, and one that is easily exploitable in any actual fight. Punk is still agile, and unless you're in a wheel chair or are built like Big Dick Johnson, you can get a heel to the knee faster than Nash would ever be able to bend down and grab it. You're not talking about kicking the shins here, a good, solid hit and Nash could be out for good. It doesn't take a martial arts expert to do that, anyone can put a heel to the knee with enough force to f*** someone up. I've studied it, that part of the body is really easily screwed up. Nash, meanwhile, could probably also end this in a hit if he got it solid enough to the face. Question is, is he fast enough to get a solid punch to Punk? I'm not so sure. While his reach might take a while to get into, I'd take agility for getting out of the way. Remember, Nash is a 50-year-old professional wrestler, he's going to get winded faster than Punk. Any failure to hit is going to hurt Nash a lot more than it will Punk. Verdict: I just can't get over Nash's age and background. I know Nash is definitely a bad ass, but I think youth and better health takes out pure size and strength. ...I read this, and I could almost hear at the end of it, "now let's punch in the details into our advanced computer programme at Slytherin studios... who IS the deadliest warrior?"
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 25, 2011 14:40:59 GMT -5
Even with weak knees, one shot is not enough to take a guy down.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 25, 2011 14:41:57 GMT -5
People can laugh all they want, but if you knock someone's knee out of place, it's not only gonna f***ing hurt, it's going to end a fight easier than a punch to the face. Actual fights are about winning, not about looking cool to a crowd. If someone has a disadvantage like really bad knees, then you'd be stupid to ignore it to try to throw punches to their head like Little Mac fighting Bald Bull. Don`t forget how much adrenaline comes into play, and just because somebody has bad knees doesn`t mean that all it would take is one or two shots. Also, unless somebody is taken off guard, a good shot most likely won`t land in the intended area. Adrenaline would come into play for both of them, though. And actually, even if you have good knees, one shot with enough force in that area could take you out. It's not like a fighting game, it really doesn't take that much to screw someone up in that area. If you're in an actual, real fight, one hit most definitely can take it out. Your knee is one bone in front of two bones that don't really connect and are held together by a few tendons. It's one of the less stable parts of the body. As for getting a good shot, that's more up to reaction ability. Even if you see something coming, it doesn't mean you'll always be able to react in time. Nash is a lot older than Punk, a foot taller than Punk, heavier than Punk and has quite a few injuries under his belt, you'd have to imagine that he's not going to be as spry as he was in his youth. I could definitely see someone 20-years his junior getting a hit off before he could get out of the way.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 25, 2011 14:47:50 GMT -5
Let's compare. Age: Punk is 20 years younger, in the prime of his life. Sure, being 50 doesn't mean you become weak, but keep in mind that Nash is 50-year-old professional wrestler. He's been injured, beat up, drunk, drugged up, and all sorts of crap for the better part of 20 years. Twenty years for a professional wrestler isn't the same thing as 20 years for an accountant. Punk himself has gotten some injuries, Nash just has longer on it. Punk has a clear advantage. Size: Nash is around a foot taller than Punk. In pure boxing, that's a pretty big advantage. MMA has shown us time and time again though that height isn't really a huge advantage. While Nash is bigger, there's only so much of an advantage that that can give. Toughness: Both are tough. They're professional wrestlers, you don't last as a professional wrestler if you're not tough. So Nash was a bouncer for a few years, he endured more as a wrestler than he ever did as a bouncer. Nash's longevity would probably make him slightly tougher, but let's not pretend that Punk is a marshmallow. Strength: Nash is most likely a lot stronger, due largely to his size. Clear advantage for Nash. Technique: This is where it gets tricky. Nash has bad knees and everyone knows it. That's a huge disadvantage, and one that is easily exploitable in any actual fight. Punk is still agile, and unless you're in a wheel chair or are built like Big Dick Johnson, you can get a heel to the knee faster than Nash would ever be able to bend down and grab it. You're not talking about kicking the shins here, a good, solid hit and Nash could be out for good. It doesn't take a martial arts expert to do that, anyone can put a heel to the knee with enough force to f*** someone up. I've studied it, that part of the body is really easily screwed up. Nash, meanwhile, could probably also end this in a hit if he got it solid enough to the face. Question is, is he fast enough to get a solid punch to Punk? I'm not so sure. While his reach might take a while to get into, I'd take agility for getting out of the way. Remember, Nash is a 50-year-old professional wrestler, he's going to get winded faster than Punk. Any failure to hit is going to hurt Nash a lot more than it will Punk. Verdict: I just can't get over Nash's age and background. I know Nash is definitely a bad ass, but I think youth and better health takes out pure size and strength. ...I read this, and I could almost hear at the end of it, "now let's punch in the details into our advanced computer programme at Slytherin studios... who IS the deadliest warrior?" Bwahaha, nice
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Post by corndog on Aug 25, 2011 14:56:19 GMT -5
I am thinking Punk would just kick Nash in the knees and this fight would be over. I just don't think Nash is quick enough to block it. Even if Punk isn't completely trained in muay thai I am betting he can still kick Nash's knee hard enough to take him down. However 20 years ago Nash probably was quick enough and had the real fight experience.
Then again a street fight is alot different than an MMA fight that is prepared for and for sport. There is alot more emotion and adrenaline in a real fight. If the two just went straight for each other and Punk didn't have a gameplan(which in a real fight there rarely is) Nash would kill him once he got ahold of him. But who knows, as another poster said, Jericho did choke out Goldberg.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Aug 25, 2011 15:19:30 GMT -5
Santino would kick both their asses.
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Post by mrjl on Aug 25, 2011 16:01:13 GMT -5
Normally I'd say Nash, but one good kick to the knees and Nash's advantages are gone. a kick to the knee would have Nash kneeling, but it doesn't shorten his arms.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2011 16:20:13 GMT -5
Normally I'd say Nash, but one good kick to the knees and Nash's advantages are gone. a kick to the knee would have Nash kneeling, but it doesn't shorten his arms. There's something to be said about the crippling pain certain sensitive areas conjure up though. I'm not someone that goes around brawling or starting trouble, but even so at 32 years old I've been in a fair amount of fights over the years. I've taken some pretty clean punches to the face by people bigger than me and been able to...well certainly not just shrug it off, but an errant punch can be tolerated. Compare that to say...getting a charlie horse or having your back knot up. Ever just be going about ordinary activity in life and just turn your body strangely causing a muscle to knot up for a moment? I have and it's not something you can ignore. Sure it goes away quickly but you're forced to stop and deal with it. That can go for blows to the knees certainly, much like any other tender body part. A blow to a weak or already injured knee is going to feel much like taking a step on a broken ankle. It'll be a sharp completely unignorable pain that just takes over for a bit. Not something that just ends everything standalone but when someone stops and involuntarily yells out "AHHH!" and clutches their knee during a fight...I'd say the followup from the opponent is going to end things.
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Post by Chuck Conry on Aug 25, 2011 16:27:05 GMT -5
While Punk is by far my favorite wrestler, I think Punk's bark is way louder than his bite.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Aug 25, 2011 16:28:22 GMT -5
While Punk is by far my favorite wrestler, I think Punk's bark is way louder than his bite. I can't decide if I feel this way, or think that he is the kind of guy who would smash you with a (root) beer bottle if things went down.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 25, 2011 17:13:45 GMT -5
As much as I love Punk....let's be real here, Big Kev would KILL him in a real fight. One massive Nash fist to the head, and Punk would be on the ground. You say that, but Paul Orndorff took down Vader when Vader was in his prime. I think it might come down to speed. If Nash properly got hold of Punk then it might be over... or at least would be fifteen years ago or so.
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Post by Mr. Snrub on Aug 25, 2011 17:45:59 GMT -5
Nash wrecks him. I'm Huey Lewis and you've just heard the news.
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Post by Manute Bol on Aug 25, 2011 17:51:27 GMT -5
CM Punk easily. Nash is old and broken down and Punk is quick, agile and wirey. Nash is tough, but so is Punk. Yeah Nash might be able to win an arm wrestling match with Punk, but in a fight Punk would OWN him.
Remember Jericho beat up Goldberg and Booker T beat up Batista, so size really means nothing in a fight, despite what Vince McMahon wants you to think.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Aug 25, 2011 17:58:40 GMT -5
Did anyone see Maeda's "shoot" against Andre? Basically he used a lot of stiff leg-kicks. I'd say Punk could use this strategy on Nash. Nash couldn't take too many stiff kicks to his legs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2011 18:29:33 GMT -5
Gotta go with the guy that's not old with long, fragile legs.
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Post by percymania on Aug 25, 2011 18:53:44 GMT -5
CM Punk wins with youth and agility. Kevin Nash would break easily. Just kick him i the knees.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2011 19:10:22 GMT -5
Nash.
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Post by DSR on Aug 25, 2011 19:24:09 GMT -5
Wasn't there a story not too long ago about some guy trying to pick up Nash's wife in a bar, then out in the parking lot trying to pick a fight with Nash himself, who took him down and held him down 'til the cops showed up? I know the circumstances are different (Punk probably wouldn't be drunk when he went to fight Nash) but I could still see the fight going big Kev's way, and I say this as a huge Punk fan.
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Post by monkeyboy on Aug 25, 2011 19:25:20 GMT -5
Tough call right now... but I think Nash in his prime would destroy Punk in his prime.
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