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Post by Michael Coello on Jun 22, 2011 13:46:24 GMT -5
Company line, no surprise. Gunner's been around a while, loyal to TNA/Impact, and he's servicable. He's their Hardcore Holly, getting a "thank you" push. Why jeopardize that payday by saying anything beyond the script? My issue with the idea is this. If the skits and promos lead to nothing but more skits and promos (many of which are done backstage, then the lack of payoff will lead to something they don't want. If you tell me I'm going to see "wrestling" and I either shell out a good chunk of change or stand in line for hours, I expect to see people in the ring going full speed. I may get some promos that lead to stuff or build up to the big match, but the match IS the key and centerpiece to it all. I may go to a restaurant and be blown away by the atomosphere, the decor, the musical selection, and the incredibly friendly waitstaff, but ultimatly I'm there to eat a good meal. If the frienldy waiter brings me the best damn rolls I've ever had and is great with keeping my drink refilled, I'm a happy guy who will love the "extras". However, if I sit there for two horus and they keep promising the main course, but it never arrives, will I be happy? Hell no. And if a waiter or member of management told me that "it's the total experience that matters here, not just the meal" and that by demanding the food that I expected and not being happy to sit and enjoy the atmosphere I "don't get it" then feeling insulted is absolutely understandable on my part. Except, in your analogy, this isn't someone asking for a dinner, when all they get is rolls and water. It's someone demanding dinner the moment they step in, even when they haven't ordered it yet and all the ingredients are still in the pot.
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Post by Krimzon on Jun 22, 2011 13:50:24 GMT -5
Wait wait wait... Why are we paying attention to what Gunner has to say? He's Gunner. Hey I actually like Gunner *sniff*. I think the real issue here is that TNA Impact Wrestling really needs to reign in their talent. Even recently when some rabid fans threatened physical harm to Randy Ortan we didn't see Ortan, Christain, Vince, HHH or anyone else involved tear the fans apart on Twitter or any other social media platform Here lies the difference: WWE is a public company. Anybody can buy shares at any time. Anybody can sell shares at any time. They can't afford to have their key talent insulting or going after potential shareholders. They can't afford to have their high-profile workers shoot their mouths off. The WWE wrestlers have to be more professional than TNA wrestlers, especially since they do quite a bit more media than TNA wrestlers and are paid attention to more. Less room for error. This isn't like Foley. Honestly, how many followers does Gunner have on Twitter? 32? And that's probably just his closest family & friends. Why would TNA care about a comment absolutely nobody would see, if they even have a problem with it?
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Post by Celgress on Jun 22, 2011 13:56:46 GMT -5
Hey I actually like Gunner *sniff*. I think the real issue here is that TNA Impact Wrestling really needs to reign in their talent. Even recently when some rabid fans threatened physical harm to Randy Ortan we didn't see Ortan, Christain, Vince, HHH or anyone else involved tear the fans apart on Twitter or any other social media platform Here lies the difference: WWE is a public company. Anybody can buy shares at any time. Anybody can sell shares at any time. They can't afford to have their key talent insulting or going after potential shareholders. They can't afford to have their high-profile workers shoot their mouths off. The WWE wrestlers have to be more professional than TNA wrestlers, especially since they do quite a bit more media than TNA wrestlers and are paid attention to more. Less room for error. This isn't like Foley. Honestly, how many followers does Gunner have on Twitter? 32? And that's probably just his closest family & friends. Why would TNA care about a comment absolutely nobody would see, if they even have a problem with it? True, I was more taking it in tandem with the recent comments (past several months) by Crimson, Bischoff and Hogan. The overall pattern of behavior, squabbling with online fans over any perceived slight, makes the company look like a joke.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 22, 2011 14:06:08 GMT -5
Take that 10% fans. You just got schooled... by GUNNER!
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Post by babyfootball on Jun 22, 2011 14:28:10 GMT -5
Company line, no surprise. Gunner's been around a while, loyal to TNA/Impact, and he's servicable. He's their Hardcore Holly, getting a "thank you" push. Why jeopardize that payday by saying anything beyond the script? My issue with the idea is this. If the skits and promos lead to nothing but more skits and promos (many of which are done backstage, then the lack of payoff will lead to something they don't want. If you tell me I'm going to see "wrestling" and I either shell out a good chunk of change or stand in line for hours, I expect to see people in the ring going full speed. I may get some promos that lead to stuff or build up to the big match, but the match IS the key and centerpiece to it all. I may go to a restaurant and be blown away by the atomosphere, the decor, the musical selection, and the incredibly friendly waitstaff, but ultimatly I'm there to eat a good meal. If the frienldy waiter brings me the best damn rolls I've ever had and is great with keeping my drink refilled, I'm a happy guy who will love the "extras". However, if I sit there for two horus and they keep promising the main course, but it never arrives, will I be happy? Hell no. And if a waiter or member of management told me that "it's the total experience that matters here, not just the meal" and that by demanding the food that I expected and not being happy to sit and enjoy the atmosphere I "don't get it" then feeling insulted is absolutely understandable on my part. Except, in your analogy, this isn't someone asking for a dinner, when all they get is rolls and water. It's someone demanding dinner the moment they step in, even when they haven't ordered it yet and all the ingredients are still in the pot. Hahahaha are you serious? TNA's had the "ingredients in the pot" for over half a decade now. They have become wrestling's version of the perpetually-"rebuilding" Pittsburgh Pirates or Kansas City Royals. Sure, most Pirates fans waited a little longer than 5 years before wearing paper bags on their heads at sparsely-attended games, but the Pirates also have a bunch of championships in their storied past (even if the last one was in the late-'70s). Actually, TNA are more like a crappy expansion team that starts off bad, like most expansion teams do, then finally start playing .500 ball... and keep playing .500 ball for the next 6 or 7 years. Isn't insanity defined by some folks as one continuing to do the same thing over and over again, yet being shocked and upset when receiving the same results over and over as well?
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Post by Citizen Zero on Jun 22, 2011 14:43:41 GMT -5
Gunner and TNA in general need to put on their big-girl pants and suck it up. The so-called 'internet fans' are all they have left.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jun 22, 2011 14:45:14 GMT -5
Except, in your analogy, this isn't someone asking for a dinner, when all they get is rolls and water. It's someone demanding dinner the moment they step in, even when they haven't ordered it yet and all the ingredients are still in the pot. Hahahaha are you serious? TNA's had the "ingredients in the pot" for over half a decade now. They have become wrestling's version of the perpetually-"rebuilding" Pittsburgh Pirates or Kansas City Royals. Sure, most Pirates fans waited a little longer than 5 years before wearing paper bags on their heads at sparsely-attended games, but the Pirates also have a bunch of championships in their storied past (even if the last one was in the late-'70s). Actually, TNA are more like a crappy expansion team that starts off bad, like most expansion teams do, then finally start playing .500 ball... and keep playing .500 ball for the next 6 or 7 years. Isn't insanity defined by some folks as one continuing to do the same thing over and over again, yet being shocked and upset when receiving the same results over and over as well? ..Wow, not even REMOTELY what was even being discussed here, bub.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jun 22, 2011 14:48:42 GMT -5
Gunner and TNA in general need to put on their big-girl pants and suck it up. The so-called 'internet fans' are all they have left. Which apparently means that these internet fans can say whatever they want without apprehension because if you do correct them, you're offending these people that the worst they think they can do is keep doing what they were doing and just bitch LOUDER.
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Post by thedougfitz on Jun 22, 2011 14:54:37 GMT -5
They need a PR department or somebody in an authoritative position to set some rules for twitter and what shouldn't be said. WWE has rules in place as far as I know. Insulting fans is a no-no no matter what they say to you.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jun 22, 2011 14:56:27 GMT -5
They need a PR department or somebody in an authoritative position to set some rules for twitter and what shouldn't be said. WWE has rules in place as far as I know. Insulting fans is a no-no no matter what they say to you. You've obviously never read anyone's twitter, then.....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2011 14:56:29 GMT -5
They need a PR department or somebody in an authoritative position to set some rules for twitter and what shouldn't be said. WWE has rules in place as far as I know. Insulting fans is a no-no no matter what they say to you. They can't even advertise. I can only imagine how well the PR department would work.
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Post by Cronant on Jun 22, 2011 14:57:28 GMT -5
They need a PR department or somebody in an authoritative position to set some rules for twitter and what shouldn't be said. WWE has rules in place as far as I know. Insulting fans is a no-no no matter what they say to you. I've seen a few WWE guys insults some fans singularly. They don't tend to go on rants against them though.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 22, 2011 15:00:06 GMT -5
I heard a radio promo for a TNA house show today! They're even partnering up with a local radio contest to give out tickets.
Of course, the DJ had to snark on Ric Flair's age and bleeding, but that's a lot better advertising from TNA than I'm used to.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Jun 22, 2011 15:04:16 GMT -5
Because if people actually stopped paying attention to bad things they bitch about, there would be no internet? There would still be the porn. And cat videos.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jun 22, 2011 15:06:19 GMT -5
The whole wrestling matters thing, I understand the idea behind promos and the whole package, but the problem is, sometimes the backstage stuff is seen as more important then the wrestling. Even in WWE, the wrestling is more important at times, surprisingly enough.
I've found the perfect way to watch impact. On YouTube the next day. For the most part, I skip the talking segments because they are normally pretty bad, unless it's an angle I'm interested in. All the Hogan/Bischoff nonsense I skip, everytime they're on, I fast forward and I don't have to deal with it. So I'm wrestling really can matter, though sometimes Impact can be pretty short watching it this way.
I was somewhat interested in the Gunner/Anderson bit so I watched that and I actually skipped the whole Hogan/Sting deal because I'm not interested in that angle.
The Jarrett/Angle promo I skipped because I wasn't interested in it, but the fight I watched and enjoyed. To me, all they didn't need an in ring segment. Just have like, 30 seconds a piece of a challenge and acceptance of a fight in the parking lot, and that's all you needed to get some interest. I was interested because during the show, I heard the short version of what was gonna happen, and it grabbed my interest.
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Post by babyfootball on Jun 22, 2011 15:11:59 GMT -5
Hahahaha are you serious? TNA's had the "ingredients in the pot" for over half a decade now. They have become wrestling's version of the perpetually-"rebuilding" Pittsburgh Pirates or Kansas City Royals. Sure, most Pirates fans waited a little longer than 5 years before wearing paper bags on their heads at sparsely-attended games, but the Pirates also have a bunch of championships in their storied past (even if the last one was in the late-'70s). Actually, TNA are more like a crappy expansion team that starts off bad, like most expansion teams do, then finally start playing .500 ball... and keep playing .500 ball for the next 6 or 7 years. Isn't insanity defined by some folks as one continuing to do the same thing over and over again, yet being shocked and upset when receiving the same results over and over as well? ..Wow, not even REMOTELY what was even being discussed here, bub. The first part was an analogy used to refute the analogy you used. Like usual, you just ignore the parts of a post that you can't argue with and either a) pick out the parts that you still can argue with or b) make a snide comment but don't actually respond at all. The insanity comment I made was referring to the fact that people are still trying to debate sensibly with you after all this time, like one day you're all of a sudden going to say "Wow, you know what, you're right! TNA ARE capable of making mistakes!" I get it, you're FAN's #1 TNA apologist. Congrats, BUB.
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Post by CJ on Jun 22, 2011 15:14:02 GMT -5
Compare Impact Wrestling to WWE Smackdown.... anybody can see where Wrestling really matters
Smackdown has that balance that TNA doesn't
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Post by crabnebula on Jun 22, 2011 15:18:57 GMT -5
I love the part where he says it would just be random matches. that's what it's always been on TNA, random matches, random crazy things happening, random everything. sometimes they try to be coherent and go somewhere with something, but then it still never makes full sense and is usually embarrassing.
also, i used to watch some really good wrestling shows like WWF Superstars, WWF Raw (pre attitude era, and the attitude era is as random as IW in its own way, yet it was far more entertaining... maybe the times I guess or the stars), and WCW Saturday night. those shows I mentioned had random matches that told stories between the bell and got characters and angles over with fans. There wasn't all that much Gorilla Monsoon, Jack Tunney, or Nick Bockwinkel scheming behind the scenes bad tv or any at all of that, and there definitely wasn't all that much bad skits and the ones they had were pretty entertaining because guys like Mean Gene and Bobby Heenan could pull that stuff off. Every wrestler wasn't required to be a bad sports-entertainer or a guerrilla promo, backstage with crazy shaky camera thespian.
what I'm getting at is, the old-school simple stuff can work Gunner is just being a jerk and towing the company line circa of 2010/2011
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Jun 22, 2011 15:23:00 GMT -5
It's ok. He lashed out, but no-one sold it seeing as it didn't look like it came within two feet of them.
har har har
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Post by Michael Coello on Jun 22, 2011 15:24:27 GMT -5
..Wow, not even REMOTELY what was even being discussed here, bub. The first part was an analogy used to refute the analogy you used. Like usual, you just ignore the parts of a post that you can't argue with and either a) pick out the parts that you still can argue with or b) make a snide comment but don't actually respond at all. The insanity comment I made was referring to the fact that people are still trying to debate sensibly with you after all this time, like one day you're all of a sudden going to say "Wow, you know what, you're right! TNA ARE capable of making mistakes!" I get it, you're FAN's #1 TNA apologist. Congrats, BUB. So, you want to combat my analogy by using one that has NO BEARING on my discussion, cause that is what you were doing. My point was that there is a point to promos and stuff along with wrestling. It's the preparations and seasoning for the main dish, yet all people want is the food without any cooking or anything the minute they step in until the minute they walk out, and that's not what anything in wrestling is about. You, however, go into this whole thing about what TNA was doing for years, and complaining about not changing, which is total bullcrap, if you've listened to anything I've said without hiding behind some smug "He defends it, so I never have to listen to him cause I 'know better'" attitude you're displaying here.
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