The Ichi
Patti Mayonnaise
AGGRESSIVE Executive Janitor of the Third Floor Manager's Bathroom
Posts: 37,286
|
Post by The Ichi on Feb 26, 2012 15:01:35 GMT -5
I dunno. I honestly believe that Punk would turn down being a movie star over a wrestler. Believe it or not, some people do want to do what they love over making lots of money. Maybe he legitimately prefers WWE, but from what people say, ROH is the better "being a wrestler" experience, and he had no problem bailing out to that as fast as possible to go to a place everyone complains about being in . It's the same basic profession though.
|
|
|
Post by molson5 on Feb 26, 2012 15:03:35 GMT -5
Maybe he legitimately prefers WWE, but from what people say, ROH is the better "being a wrestler" experience, and he had no problem bailing out to that as fast as possible to go to a place everyone complains about being in . It's the same basic profession though. Well, I doubt he's one of the guys complaining about Rock in any event, but it does seem like there's a lot of wrestlers that whine about the WWE experience (usually after they leave the company), yet not a lot of guys seems content to stay in the indies where they can be "used properly" or whatever, and where they won't ever lose "their spot" to the Rock. The difference in the equation is always going to be money.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2012 15:09:14 GMT -5
They just can't get over and they're complaining. That's all it is. Had they been able to get over and reach the level which they'd appear at WM this wouldn't have been said. Maybe they're doing it so Cena can help them out in the future, I'm not sure, either way it's some of the younger guys getting mad at The Rock. They don't get the business part. They were going to get a star regardless so rather it be The Rock than someone else like Snooki. I wonder who's saying it though. Watch it be someone like Jinder Mahal saying he's taking his WM spot.
It's also interesting when you compare it to how the older more experienced wrestlers view it. In The Rock's new documentary when they brought up him leaving, going to Hollywood, coming back, WM and that kinda stuff and you have Mick Foley, Jericho, JR and even Triple H complimenting him on it and not shunning him on the thing. Vince truly believes he's here to stay as well apparently. I'm pretty sure all of those that were there when he was gets what's going on and well the younger guys, even Cena, just don't.
Jericho even said - "The Rock can do what he wants because he's done this for years. He doesn't have to explain himself to the fans and the faithful". Judging how it's presented the older guys actually get it while the younger ones don't. Then Jericho goes on and explains a story about him and Rock traveling somewhere and leaving the plane repeatedly. Common sense.
I say they shut up, put their work in, get over and stop complaining. This is the WWE.
|
|
BigWill
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Posts: 16,619
|
Post by BigWill on Feb 26, 2012 15:23:30 GMT -5
It's the same basic profession though. Well, I doubt he's one of the guys complaining about Rock in any event, but it does seem like there's a lot of wrestlers that whine about the WWE experience (usually after they leave the company), yet not a lot of guys seems content to stay in the indies where they can be "used properly" or whatever, and where they won't ever lose "their spot" to the Rock. The difference in the equation is always going to be money. Actually, CM Punk was one of the first guys that spoke out against the Rock.
|
|
|
Post by molson5 on Feb 26, 2012 15:24:24 GMT -5
Jericho even said - "The Rock can do what he wants because he's done this for years. He doesn't have to explain himself to the fans and the faithful" I agree with everything else you said and the spirit of what Jericho said, but the end of the day, the fan's say is the one that matters. If the fans didn't want the Rock to come back, if the fans were turned off and rebelled against it, if they didn't buy shows he was on, then he wouldn't be there. If you matter to fans though, as Rock clearly does, he certainly doesn't have to explain himself to whining co-workers.
|
|
|
Post by molson5 on Feb 26, 2012 15:28:39 GMT -5
Well, I doubt he's one of the guys complaining about Rock in any event, but it does seem like there's a lot of wrestlers that whine about the WWE experience (usually after they leave the company), yet not a lot of guys seems content to stay in the indies where they can be "used properly" or whatever, and where they won't ever lose "their spot" to the Rock. The difference in the equation is always going to be money. Actually, CM Punk was one of the first guys that spoke out against the Rock. That might be his character or just his natural douchiness having a little fun. (or his own political game). It's hard for me to believe that CM Punk would actually believe that the WWE should have just passed on the Rock because it's not "fair" to the other guys, but if he really is that kind of wrestling free spirit, he really is a money whore for working for the WWE instead of working in a place more compatible with his fairness, anti-business philosophies.
|
|
BigWill
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Posts: 16,619
|
Post by BigWill on Feb 26, 2012 15:29:48 GMT -5
I say they shut up, put their work in, get over and stop complaining. This is the WWE. Yeah, and it's probably the guys who just shut their mouth and do only as they're told are the same ones who are stuck on Superstars and not getting TV time. Like you said it's the WWE. A business. And you don't get ahead by just being timid and never speaking your mind.
|
|
|
Post by molson5 on Feb 26, 2012 15:35:58 GMT -5
I say they shut up, put their work in, get over and stop complaining. This is the WWE. Yeah, and it's probably the guys who just shut their mouth and do only as they're told are the same ones who are stuck on Superstars and not getting TV time. Like you said it's the WWE. A business. And you don't get ahead by just being timid and never speaking your mind. You have to get noticed, and that could include speaking your mind to the right people at the right times (and burying the right people at the right times). I don't think criticizing the company for signing the Rock to a short term deal is going to win you a lot of favor with management. That sounds more like the move of a guy who's more concerned about how other wrestlers' perceive him than what management thinks of him. Even the Kliq knew this, and those guys could play politics. They embraced the legends they knew were so big they couldn't bury (Hogan in WCW), and buried the legends they knew they could get away with burying (Bob Backlund, Bret Hart).
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2012 15:43:17 GMT -5
Jericho even said - "The Rock can do what he wants because he's done this for years. He doesn't have to explain himself to the fans and the faithful" I agree with everything else you said and the spirit of what Jericho said, but the end of the day, the fan's say is the one that matters. If the fans didn't want the Rock to come back, if the fans were turned off and rebelled against it, if they didn't buy shows he was on, then he wouldn't be there. If you matter to fans though, as Rock clearly does, he certainly doesn't have to explain himself to whining co-workers. Here's exactly what Jericho said. I re-watched that part so I could get the whole quote out, I missed some things. Jericho - "I don't think it's a bad thing he went on to become a Hollywood star. Because it's not like he was in the WWE for a week and left I mean Rock has done all the tours and I've wrestled Rock in Albany Georgia in front of 1,500 people, I've wrestled Rock in London where we flew there for a night, did the ppv and flew home. Rock doesn't have to prove anything else to the fans. He doesn't have to prove anything else to the WWE faithful. " I say they shut up, put their work in, get over and stop complaining. This is the WWE. Yeah, and it's probably the guys who just shut their mouth and do only as they're told are the same ones who are stuck on Superstars and not getting TV time. Like you said it's the WWE. A business. And you don't get ahead by just being timid and never speaking your mind. True. You have to put your work in. Miz is a good example of putting in work from his MitB all the way to his WWE champion reign.
|
|
|
Post by ________ has left the building on Feb 26, 2012 15:47:27 GMT -5
Love how this basically broke down into a civil war amongst fans and people in the wrestling industry. So much for people supposedly not caring about Cena vs Rock. It's starting to get personal.
|
|
BigWill
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Posts: 16,619
|
Post by BigWill on Feb 26, 2012 15:48:20 GMT -5
Yeah, and it's probably the guys who just shut their mouth and do only as they're told are the same ones who are stuck on Superstars and not getting TV time. Like you said it's the WWE. A business. And you don't get ahead by just being timid and never speaking your mind. You have to get noticed, and that could include speaking your mind to the right people at the right times (and burying the right people at the right times). I don't think criticizing the company for signing the Rock to a short term deal is going to win you a lot of favor with management. That sounds more like the move of a guy who's more concerned about how other wrestlers' perceive him than what management thinks of him. Even the Kliq knew this, and those guys could play politics. They embraced the legends they knew were so big they couldn't bury (Hogan in WCW), and buried the legends they knew they could get away with burying (Bob Backlund, Bret Hart). But no one's trying to bury the Rock. I don't think anyone thinks anythings going to chance because of it, but they're just speaking out against him because that's how they feel.
|
|
|
Post by AndyUK on Feb 26, 2012 16:15:02 GMT -5
I find it all a bit ridiculous really and it just show the childish nature of some wrestlers if this is all true. The Rock is one of the biggest stars of all-time and he's doing WWE a favour by coming back. He paid his dues before he went to Hollywood and has earned this Wrestlemania match.
|
|
|
Post by machomuta on Feb 26, 2012 18:26:09 GMT -5
I Why do not hear any complaining about Jericho coming back after yet another sabbatical of touring with Fozzy only to get a WWE title/main event spot?. Because Jericho is back full time.
|
|
|
Post by rnrk supports BLM on Feb 26, 2012 18:37:19 GMT -5
I blame Tyler Reks.
For everything.
|
|
andrewgilkison
Bubba Ho-Tep
Sound of 300lbs of crap hitting the fan?
Posts: 558
|
Post by andrewgilkison on Feb 26, 2012 18:55:34 GMT -5
Jericho is back full time because he can afford to come back full time a lot easier than Rock can come back full time.
If Jericho had a movie career like Rock's, he would either "bring it via satellite" like Rock does with an occasional appearance, or he wouldn't come back at all for the same reason Rock never needed to come back in the first place, because being a movie star probably makes you way more money than being a WWE main eventer and has just as much responsibility attached to it and almost as many limits placed on your time to do other things as working for the WWE does.
That’s why Rock most likely didn’t come back for the money, because he probably made more money starring in the Tooth Fairy than he ever made in one of his WrestleMania main events.
That’s also why Rock flew out to do a RAW appearance at Boston to promote Survivor Series after hours of shooting on the set of the GI Joe sequel and flew right back to shoot more hours. It’s also the same reason he doesn’t appear more often, because he has other commitments and he has to fit those WWE appearances into his schedule, which is probably almost as hectic as a fulltime schedule for a WWE main eventer.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2012 19:00:15 GMT -5
Wrestlemania is the draw. The event really is the Superbowl of wrestling because over the last 5-10 years or so people seem to buy it regardless of the matches. So WM probably would have done great business with Undertaker/HHH-HITC main eventing. Where The Rock factors in is turning a great buyrate into a super-freakin-huge one. That is what Vince is obviously banking on. Business will continue to suck domestically before WM and afterwards, but WM itself will always do well so the WWE has to put these types of matches on because that is when most fans will watch. Put the best show possible the one night the casual fans don't mind purchasing a PPV. It is smart business.
Plus, it is The Rock! For some reason The Rock is not getting the type of respect he deserves. He will go down second to Hogan (IMO) as the biggest star in wrestling history and he remains the only wrestler to ever carve out a massive career in Hollywood. He deserves all the money and effort the WWE is giving him. There won't be another star like him for a long time, if ever. The man selflessly puts over talent (hell I have argued before that The Rock jobbed WAY too much in his career) and now is trying to help the industry at a time when no one in the States gives a shit about wrestling. He will do more for the business in one night than any wrestler he bumped off will ever do in their career.
|
|
deancubed
Don Corleone
Playing League of Legends
Posts: 1,350
|
Post by deancubed on Feb 26, 2012 20:14:51 GMT -5
Guys, the giant elephant in the room here is this: There are people that are missing a Mania payday this year, and it's not because of Rock, it's because of the massive amounts of injuries sustained lately. Those same guys that might be worried about Rock taking a main event spot, are the same guys who aren't even capable of being at the show anyway due to accidents earlier in the year.
Remember this was going to be the big Lucha mania with Rey vs Sin Cara or Alberto Del Rio or Hunico or whoever - and ALL of those guys are bumped down because of the 4 of the ones I mentioned, THREE of them are hurt too bad.
Then there's Christian, Mark Henry, Randy Orton, and now Wade Barrett, all of whom were hurt during the large chunk of time when Mania gets booked and planned, and are either out completely, or returning too late to build a solid feud for them.
And now Kharma may or may not be at Mania too, and she is the ONLY female draw in the company. She came back at the Rumble and we haven't seen her since. And that either means she is still on maternity leave or she is returning in the next few weeks, but anything they do with her if she is at Mania is only going to be built over a few short weeks.
And then there's freakin John Morrisson, who EVERYONE wanted in the main event by now, and they jerked him around, and he jerked himself around, and Melina jerks a lot of guys around, and so there's another name that MIGHT have been where say, Sheamus is now, who would have maybe been one of the guys complaining about Rock taking a main event spot.
Basically what I'm saying here is - if this was a normal Mania, maybe some people would have a better argument about Rock taking main event spots. But to be honest, this Wrestlemania is WIDE OPEN, and there are LOTS of people able to get bigger feuds this year than ever before, because look at all the people that are missing this year!
|
|
|
Post by joebob27 on Feb 26, 2012 20:21:45 GMT -5
I Why do not hear any complaining about Jericho coming back after yet another sabbatical of touring with Fozzy only to get a WWE title/main event spot?. Because Jericho is back full time. No, he's not, this looks like a 3 month run at best. He's special attraction status like Rock was before he retired, doing a 3 month run, putting a couple of people over, then seeya.
|
|
|
Post by Mayonnaise on Feb 26, 2012 20:22:30 GMT -5
Because Jericho is back full time. No, he's not, this looks like a 3 month run at best. He's special attraction status like Rock was before he retired, doing a 3 month run, putting a couple of people over, then seeya. We don't know that and I really doubt that is the case.
|
|
|
Post by joebob27 on Feb 26, 2012 20:41:57 GMT -5
No, he's not, this looks like a 3 month run at best. He's special attraction status like Rock was before he retired, doing a 3 month run, putting a couple of people over, then seeya. We don't know that and I really doubt that is the case. I'm sure he signed a 15 month deal or something going through next WM, but I don't think you're seeing a whole lot of him after this angle blows off. Then it's back to his side gigs until the next buildup. And he waltzes into another big program when he does come back. Is that okay? I mean he just walked into the top of the card and brings down someone's spot.
|
|