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Post by Cam on Feb 27, 2012 18:08:53 GMT -5
But he doesn't need it. Your argument has no logic. Why would he do something he doesn't have to do, if he doesn't enjoy it? If he doesn't love it? He doesn't need the publicity, he doesn't need the money, he doesn't need the support. So why would he go out of his way several times a year just for things he doesn't need? No, trying to pass off your opinion as fact has no logic to it. I'm just stating my opinion, as are you. Neither of us know what the Rock NEEDS or doesn't NEED nor do we know what his agent, publicist etc etc are telling him about his career. No, I don't think what I'm saying is fact. Of course, it's all opinion. But at least my opinion includes logic and reasoning. I do know facts speak for themselves. All of his movies in the last 5 years have been box office successes. If a Hollywood studio didn't want him, they'd be idiots.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2012 18:11:23 GMT -5
No, trying to pass off your opinion as fact has no logic to it. I'm just stating my opinion, as are you. Neither of us know what the Rock NEEDS or doesn't NEED nor do we know what his agent, publicist etc etc are telling him about his career. No, I don't think what I'm saying is fact. Of course, it's all opinion. But at least my opinion includes logic and reasoning. I do know facts speak for themselves. All of his movies in the last 5 years have been box office successes. If a Hollywood studio didn't want him, they'd be idiots. A: You vastly overestimate the intelligence of Hollywood execs. B: Being a box office success doesn't mean you'll turn down an easy way to be even MORE succesful. Never underestimate rich people's greed.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Feb 27, 2012 18:11:36 GMT -5
Alright both of you need to step away and cool off. It's getting too heated.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2012 18:12:28 GMT -5
Alright both of you need to step away and cool off. It's getting too heated. Acknowledged.
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Post by Cam on Feb 27, 2012 18:13:33 GMT -5
Haha, the idea that you think The Rock needs work is ridiculous. Yeah, I'm sure movie producers are going to listen to those rasslin' fans calling them and saying "You guys need to put Dwayne in more of those movies!". Puh-leeze. He acted in one film last year, and wrestled one match. That's 50/50. And not putting words in your mouth..... "....if the Rock actually did both then I'd say he were a wrestler. If it were 50%/50%, heck even 70/30 in favor of wrestling could be debatable...." He's both. You said it yourself. Your inability to read others posts isn't what fascinates me about...it is how PROUD you are of it that draws me to you. The guy was in three movies in 2011 if you want to get technical about. If you want to get even more technical about it he's spent the overwhelming majority of his time working on those movies instead of wrestling or working on wrestling related projects. Edit...and you watch HIMYM....ewwwww. The Godfather was filmed in 1971. It was released in 1972. The film is from 1972. It's a 1972 film. That's just how it works. Fast Five was the only movie featuring The Rock to be released in 2011. It's the only movie of 2011 for The Rock. IMDB can back me up on that one. As for insulting a TV show, that shows that you're fighting a losing battle my friend. And I'm not even going to ask how you know it's from HIMYM.
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Post by Cam on Feb 27, 2012 18:14:52 GMT -5
Alright both of you need to step away and cool off. It's getting too heated. Okay, fair enough. What seems to be the problem specifically though? I haven't name called, or said his opinion was wrong. We're just going back and forth in a debate. This is a forum isn't it?
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Post by Cam on Feb 27, 2012 18:16:21 GMT -5
No, I don't think what I'm saying is fact. Of course, it's all opinion. But at least my opinion includes logic and reasoning. I do know facts speak for themselves. All of his movies in the last 5 years have been box office successes. If a Hollywood studio didn't want him, they'd be idiots. A: You vastly overestimate the intelligence of Hollywood execs. B: Being a box office success doesn't mean you'll turn down an easy way to be even MORE succesful. Never underestimate rich people's greed. I think Hollywood execs know a bit more about making money than you do, with all-due respect.... As for making a quick buck, I'm sure what The Rock is getting paid is paltry compared to his movie salaries. Him getting insulted by John Cena and most likely losing at WrestleMania isn't exactly going to cause box office smashes is it?
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Post by donny on Feb 27, 2012 18:26:19 GMT -5
But he doesn't need it. Your argument has no logic. Why would he do something he doesn't have to do, if he doesn't enjoy it? If he doesn't love it? He doesn't need the publicity, he doesn't need the money, he doesn't need the support. So why would he go out of his way several times a year just for things he doesn't need? No, trying to pass off your opinion as fact has no logic to it. I'm just stating my opinion, as are you. Neither of us know what the Rock NEEDS or doesn't NEED nor do we know what his agent, publicist etc etc are telling him about his career. -I think that The Rock is doing this PRIMARILY because he loves the wrestling business. But let's not get it twisted: he will likely make more money for that match than for any other match of his career. Just because you don't need the money doesn't mean you look a gift horse in the mouth. -Honestly, I would imagine that his agent and publicist are telling him NOT to work with WWE. Accidents happen in the ring. Why risk injury or disfigurement. Also, WWE isn't exactly regarded as "high brow" entertainment (and given something like Natalya's recent storyline, it'd be hard to argue that notion). So if his publicity team were behind this, I think they'd get him a few guest spots with something like "American Idol" or UFC for more visibility. -Last but not least, The Rock is not a wrestler. He is an entertainer. An entertainer who happens to be involved in a pre-determined sporting event. Some sort of "sports entertainer" if you will....
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Post by Snaptastic on Feb 27, 2012 18:30:08 GMT -5
But he is a wrestler. His career from 1995-2002 was wrestler. It's not like David Arquette "wrestling" two matches and winning the WCW World title, Rock wrestled week in week out for 7 years. He was a wrestler. In some ways, he still is a wrestler. He's not getting paid to act at WrestleMania, he's getting paid to wrestle. It seems like he's been getting paid to act more than wrestle. He was a wrestler at one time, he's not anymore. He's a special attraction who happens to be wrestling at this one show. I don't understand why everyone gets so tore up about this. The Rock himself would probably say that he's an actor now. He's doing this one-time special appearance to promote his movies and re-establish his adult audience for GI Joe Retaliation. Smart marketing move that any actor would kill for. It's not really a one time appearance though is it. He's wrestled Survivor Series, will do Wrestlemania also. Not only that but if the rumours are true he's wrestling at SummerSlam as well as Wrestlemania 29 at MetLife Stadium.
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