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Post by kidglov3s on Mar 6, 2012 11:47:38 GMT -5
It's important to keep in mind that The Rock is like a patron saint of Miami. He was a college football hero who became the biggest name in wrestling who became a huge Hollywood movie star.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Mar 6, 2012 11:50:59 GMT -5
It's important to keep in mind that The Rock is like a patron saint of Miami. He was a college football hero who became the biggest name in wrestling who became a huge Hollywood movie star. The crowd isn't going to be 100% from Miami. Far from it.
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Post by Been burned too many times on Mar 6, 2012 11:52:04 GMT -5
I think it will be more so 80/20 or 75/25 in Miami. 5 percent is too small a number for the amount of Cena fans who'll be in Miami. No that's not a shot at Cena.
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Post by Tiger Maskooo on Mar 6, 2012 11:52:36 GMT -5
It's important to keep in mind that The Rock is like a patron saint of Miami. He was a college football hero who became the biggest name in wrestling who became a huge Hollywood movie star. Also he wrote a new york times best seller,was the top babyface in wwes best business year and one of the top guys in possibly not just the most beloved but the most culturally relevant era of all time. Dudes kinda a big deal.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2012 11:52:43 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't find the heat between the two to be all that convincing. A couple of comments about Rock in an interview, some fairly tame promos against each other, a Rock Bottom, and that's enough for a hate filled epic showdown? Yes, the points have been made but I don't get a sense that a lot of venom exists between the two. They could have sold it more as the best of one generation vs. the best of another, like Rock vs. Hogan, and I think I would have bought that more. It's hard for me to buy why the Rock would care in the first place that Cena caters to kids and has the persona that he does.
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Post by kidglov3s on Mar 6, 2012 11:53:33 GMT -5
It's important to keep in mind that The Rock is like a patron saint of Miami. He was a college football hero who became the biggest name in wrestling who became a huge Hollywood movie star. The crowd isn't going to be 100% from Miami. Far from it. But the people from out of town tend to overwhelmingly be the kind of people that boo Cena usually. Like at Mania usually you have the local fans that are like 50/50 Cena/Anti Cena, and then the fans that travel there who boo Cena like 90/10. I expect Cena's reaction, even with all this absurd bullshit to make him look like Superman to The Rock's Gabby Jay, to be just like ONS 06 or MITB 11.
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Post by FinalGwen on Mar 6, 2012 12:00:12 GMT -5
It's important to keep in mind that The Rock is like a patron saint of Miami. He was a college football hero who became the biggest name in wrestling who became a huge Hollywood movie star. Also he wrote a new york times best seller,was the top babyface in wwes best business year and one of the top guys in possibly not just the most beloved but the most culturally relevant era of all time. Dudes kinda a big deal. Having read said bestseller, I'd put 'wrote' in inverted commas. Not only was it absolutely awful, it seemed like the most obviously ghostwritten of all the WWE books.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Mar 6, 2012 13:10:16 GMT -5
The crowd isn't going to be 100% from Miami. Far from it. But the people from out of town tend to overwhelmingly be the kind of people that boo Cena usually. Like at Mania usually you have the local fans that are like 50/50 Cena/Anti Cena, and then the fans that travel there who boo Cena like 90/10. I expect Cena's reaction, even with all this absurd bulls*** to make him look like Superman to The Rock's Gabby Jay, to be just like ONS 06 or MITB 11. This isn't the usual Mania. As we have seen the last 3 weeks, fans are slowly turning towards Cena's side. If the fans that travel have responded to the last 3 weeks anything like this board has(We have a pretty good cross section of fans from around the world), that is going to be 60/40 Rock. Not going to be remotely close to ONS '06 or MITB.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Mar 6, 2012 13:12:47 GMT -5
Also he wrote a new york times best seller,was the top babyface in wwes best business year and one of the top guys in possibly not just the most beloved but the most culturally relevant era of all time. Dudes kinda a big deal. Having read said bestseller, I'd put 'wrote' in inverted commas. Not only was it absolutely awful, it seemed like the most obviously ghostwritten of all the WWE books. Not to mention the last 1/3rd or so was completely in character. And Chyna also 'wrote' a New York Times Bestseller. Saying the Rock is one doesn't mean much because of it.
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Post by Tiger Maskooo on Mar 6, 2012 13:35:48 GMT -5
Having read said bestseller, I'd put 'wrote' in inverted commas. Not only was it absolutely awful, it seemed like the most obviously ghostwritten of all the WWE books. Not to mention the last 1/3rd or so was completely in character. And Chyna also 'wrote' a New York Times Bestseller. Saying the Rock is one doesn't mean much because of it. Chyna is also a bigger star than john cena. It does mean something because rock was more relevant at that moment than cena has ever been. It debuted at no 1. John Cena probably could not do that. Let alone become such a part of pop culture that words he invented became a part of the lexicon. The rock invented smackdown. Thats his word. I've seen that word on cnn.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Mar 6, 2012 13:37:33 GMT -5
Chyna is also a bigger star than john cena. I stopped reading at this point becuase I can no longer take you seriously due to the fact it's now obvious you are a blind Cena Hater.. Chyna was never a bigger star than Cena. Give me a break. BTW, Cena could easily become a best seller if he chose to write a book. His fanbase is far larger than Chyna's ever was.
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Post by Tiger Maskooo on Mar 6, 2012 13:51:02 GMT -5
Chyna is also a bigger star than john cena. I stopped reading at this point becuase I can no longer take you seriously due to the fact it's now obvious you are a blind Cena Hater.. Chyna was never a bigger star than Cena. Give me a break. BTW, Cena could easily become a best seller if he chose to write a book. His fanbase is far larger than Chyna's ever was. I dont hate john cena though. I'm just pointing out facts as I see them. I didnt even mean that as an insult to cena. Chyna was a bigger star than alot of wrestlers. Alot of wrestlers that I like for that matter.
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Post by Celgress on Mar 6, 2012 13:53:53 GMT -5
OP -
As Raven once said smarks are often times the easiest fans to work, because we think we have the inside track.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Mar 6, 2012 13:54:50 GMT -5
I stopped reading at this point becuase I can no longer take you seriously due to the fact it's now obvious you are a blind Cena Hater.. Chyna was never a bigger star than Cena. Give me a break. BTW, Cena could easily become a best seller if he chose to write a book. His fanbase is far larger than Chyna's ever was. I dont hate john cena though. I'm just pointing out facts as I see them. I didnt even mean that as an insult to cena. Chyna was a bigger star than alot of wrestlers. Alot of wrestlers that I like for that matter. But she was never a bigger start than Cena. That is flat out false.
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Post by kidglov3s on Mar 6, 2012 13:59:07 GMT -5
I dont hate john cena though. I'm just pointing out facts as I see them. I didnt even mean that as an insult to cena. Chyna was a bigger star than alot of wrestlers. Alot of wrestlers that I like for that matter. But she was never a bigger start than Cena. That is flat out false. I feel like she's been more visible outside of the wrestling bubble than John Cena has. Like I think the average person 20+ would be more likely to know who Chyna is than John Cena, though kids would maybe be the opposite.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 6, 2012 14:28:10 GMT -5
But she was never a bigger start than Cena. That is flat out false. I feel like she's been more visible outside of the wrestling bubble than John Cena has. Like I think the average person 20+ would be more likely to know who Chyna is than John Cena, though kids would maybe be the opposite. I think it would be more accurate to say "Far more of Chyna has been visible...".
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Post by Snaptastic on Mar 6, 2012 14:32:54 GMT -5
It's important to keep in mind that The Rock is like a patron saint of Miami. He was a college football hero who became the biggest name in wrestling who became a huge Hollywood movie star. The crowd isn't going to be 100% from Miami. Far from it. Perhaps but is is the smarky types and international fans only that tend to travel to Mania. I'd say a good 30-40K will be Floridians at least, with the rest a general mix up of whatever else. That being said, just because a crowd isn't 100% Miami, does not mean that they won't be solidly behind Rock. The majority of the people at Mania most likely won't have seen Rock live yet since his return. The nostalgia is going to be running on overdrive and it's going to show.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Mar 6, 2012 15:04:20 GMT -5
People need to realize that wrestling is a two way street. While one guy can possibly carry something, having two opposing forces both showing true emotion and having a legitimate reasoning for their arguments can make one guy seem better than the other.
People say "Well why isn't Cena like this with The Miz or Del Rio?" The answer is because it's Miz and Del Rio! What exactly can he say about them? Similar things happened with Punk. Punk had backstage things to talk about with Triple H, what would he say with Del Rio? "Oh you're Champion because you're Mexican and can sort of talk." That's too insider and helps no one.
Because Cena's got something good to work with, he can show off his full potential. It's like if someone's a great driver but has a shitty car, he's not gonna look good when driving it because no one really will. BUT if you give him one of the best cars in the world, he may look like the best driver at the end of the day. Cena just hasn't had any real chance to show off his true promo skills as much because of getting crazy R-Truth, pretty boy Miz, and cocky Del Rio. They may be entertaining, but there's just so much you can do with them. Now that he's got The Rock, he'll show you WHY he became so big in the first place.
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Post by Citizen Grimm on Mar 6, 2012 15:07:15 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't find the heat between the two to be all that convincing. A couple of comments about Rock in an interview, some fairly tame promos against each other, a Rock Bottom, and that's enough for a hate filled epic showdown? Yes, the points have been made but I don't get a sense that a lot of venom exists between the two. They could have sold it more as the best of one generation vs. the best of another, like Rock vs. Hogan, and I think I would have bought that more. It's hard for me to buy why the Rock would care in the first place that Cena caters to kids and has the persona that he does. I seriously think its because they're trying to have a face vs. face dynamic. The big problem is that its not working anywhere near as well as a face vs. heel dynamic would. Turn either guy heel, it really doesn't matter who. Turn Cena who can rant and rave about how he busted his ass everyday for these people, only to be overshadowed by Rock, the guy who left them. Or just have Rock be Hollywood Rock and look down on all the people. Have his ego so huge Miami can't hold it. If anyone could make a return debut after so long and get his hometown to boo him in a matter of minutes its The Rock. At least that way you would have a standard dynamic for fans to work with. Remember, the Hogan/Rock match started out with Rock the face and Hogan the heel. The two of them quickly realized the cheers Hogan was getting so they switched tactics and Rock began to act more and more heelish, while Hogan went face. Rock and Cena could totally do that. Right now, they just need to do something that makes it look like they legitimately want to fight each other. [/end rant]
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Post by gimpocommando on Mar 6, 2012 15:58:36 GMT -5
Rock is NOT holding back and is NOT being told to. Anyone who thinks so is a complete and utter idiot. Ha! Your post is giving me goosebumps, here look. See? Forget the notes that are on the same arm I'm showing, which are going to be brought up in 15 minutes after this post is over. Yeah, not scripted! You must be an idiot to think the Rock is holding back! He's not using all of his "greatest" hits out of context and with heightened expectations and he of course isn't collaborating on how to debunk those very promos in a modern setting, because he doesn't know, as well as everyone in the business that back and forth promos are designed to push a story along, and the Rock wouldn't put anyone over! right? RIGHT?! IDIOTS! The Rock puts people over, no one here has the balls to say he doesn't. John Cena is being made to look like a champ against the champ at what the champ does best. Either the Rock lost it after 7 years or maybe the Rock is the reason Cena is doing so damn well. Ask yourself this, after all the Merch, after all the incredible runs and reigns and angles they have given Cena, against the biggest guys in the biz when he was there, after all the support he's been given by legends, Piper, Foley, and the like, without the Rock there, he still couldn't get half the audience to support him, no matter what he did. Now, all of a sudden, he's going to gain the favor of the fans against one of the most beloved performers during the most beloved time, without help from the guy himself? Do you really think of professional wrestling as a solo art? If so, you really don't understand the business. I read you guys talk about good wrestlers carrying other wrestlers through a match, helping them to make them better. I'm suggesting to you, that the Rock is carrying Cena through these promos, and by the Rock I mean a collaboration between the Rock, the writers, and Cena all working and rehearsing how they're going to make Cena look better. In the end if the Rock really disliked Cena as much as us fans who hate Cena do, he wouldn't be doing this match. Hell it wouldn't surprise me if Cena talking smack about the Rock on the Howard Stern wasn't just an in for a potential angle should the Rock ever decide to come back. There is probably no bad blood between these two guys now. Just because it's not obvious to guys who think they've got it clear enough that they can call people idiots for dissenting with their opinion, doesn't mean it's not obvious to others. I would say Cena is the one who's killing the suspension of disbelief here, but maybe the writers are more at fault here for delivering such a weak Rock character in response to Cena's attacks. Look at the great Rock promos against other people, they react to what he says in order to make the promo better, look at Cena talking shit to the Rock last week, it's a reaction. Last night what you had, was a series of classic Rock promos without the classic Rock promo reaction. When Cena got the crowd to scream tooth fairy at the Rock, look at the Rock's reaction. This is what they intended to have happen, its engineered. Stop glorifying Cena, he had 7 years of no Rock to win them over and couldn't, now the Rock is back and he's supposed to be one upping the Rock week after week? Please.
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