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Post by Snaptastic on Mar 8, 2012 7:19:44 GMT -5
Its clear this match has caused people to lose all touch with reality. Everything about this scripted and its all booked to get Cena over more with the fans. Every slight detail in this is all planed out and approved, do you guys honestly think one of the greatest talkers in the history of the game, and a man who's been in the longest talking segment in WWE history and is also a movie stat needs notes on his arm to remember a promo all of a sudden? Vince isn't letting two guys go out there and shoot on each other in the buildup to one of his last fresh big money matches. I agree, but the Cena cheerleaders who have become apparently quite vocal all of a sudden are bathing in the opportunity to bash Rock at any given moment. So we are getting a distorted view about what is happened, even though as someone stated Meltzer who is close to Rock has confirmed it as true. WWE knew themselves that Cena isn't at Rock's level and never will be. So they had to bring Rock down and make him look crappy, because it wouldn't be fair to unleash Rock against Cena. Cena is a good talker...in this era sure. But put him in WWE in 99, 2000 and he'd get torn apart.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Mar 8, 2012 7:35:06 GMT -5
For the last time THIS ISN"T GOING TO HURT THE BOTTOM LINE. They are going to make a ton of money off this match no matter how they are booking it right now. They didn't make that much money off the Survivor Series match. It's not as simple as having the match and people throwing their money at you. They may think it is, but it's not. This is Wrestlemania though. This is a one on one match. Cena vs. Rock. That is a big difference from them teaming up to face Awesome Truth, who don't come anywhere close to the level Rock and Cena are on.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Mar 8, 2012 7:37:57 GMT -5
They didn't make that much money off the Survivor Series match. It's not as simple as having the match and people throwing their money at you. They may think it is, but it's not. This is Wrestlemania though. This is a one on one match. Cena vs. Rock. That is a big difference from them teaming up to face Awesome Truth, who don't come anywhere close to the level Rock and Cena are on. Have to agree here. Awesome Truth never looked credible during the build to Survivor Series.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Mar 8, 2012 14:49:35 GMT -5
I'm still lost as to what you guys are seeing that makes you think WWE is trying to make Cena look better than The Rock. I think a lot of you guys are going ape shit retarded because you found yourselves liking Cena over Rock for the last two weeks. Is it so hard to believe that Cena just happened to have a better, more creative approach lately than Rock? Rather than believe that, you've invented a big conspiracy about how WWE is manipulating the fans. Yet you have the nerve to say that people like me are delusional for not believing that? That is laughably stupid.
I f***ing love The Rock. I've been one of the Cena haters for the past, but I've warmed up to him a little lately. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with The Rock underperforming (though last week's promo was disappointing) and everything to do with Cena cutting some killer promos on him. I'll still be cheering for The Rock along with everyone in Miami on April 1st. Why is it so hard for other Rock fans to admit that he, as a guy that's been out of the biz for all these years, isn't going to always demolish the guy that's been WWE's top star for this long? Some of you guys really baffle me with your logic.
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Post by kidglov3s on Mar 8, 2012 14:53:00 GMT -5
I'm still lost as to what you guys are seeing that makes you think WWE is trying to make Cena look better than The Rock. I think a lot of you guys are going ape s*** retarded because you found yourselves liking Cena over Rock for the last two weeks. Is it so hard to believe that Cena just happened to have a better, more creative approach lately than Rock? Rather than believe that, you've invented a big conspiracy about how WWE is manipulating the fans. Yet you have the nerve to say that people like me are delusional for not believing that? That is laughably stupid. I f***ing love The Rock. I've been one of the Cena haters for the past, but I've warmed up to him a little lately. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with The Rock underperforming (though last week's promo was disappointing) and everything to do with Cena cutting some killer promos on him. I'll still be cheering for The Rock along with everyone in Miami on April 1st. Why is it so hard for other Rock fans to admit that he, as a guy that's been out of the biz for all these years, isn't going to always demolish the guy that's been WWE's top star for this long? Some of you guys really baffle me with your logic. Because all of a sudden for the first time in his career The Rock needs to write giant notes on his forearm to assist him in delivering the lamest promo he has ever given? And then Cena points this out? They're so desperate to get Cena over that they're employing the plot point of "The Rock is incapable of competently delivering a promo now despite never having this problem before ever". Because he's a big Hollywood phony. John Cena cares though. Please cheer John Cena.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Mar 8, 2012 14:55:13 GMT -5
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Post by machomuta on Mar 8, 2012 15:10:07 GMT -5
but the Cena cheerleaders who have become apparently quite vocal all of a sudden are bathing in the opportunity to bash Rock at any given moment. The Rocky fanboys are doing the same thing. They bash Cena at every given moment.
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Post by showster22 on Mar 8, 2012 15:29:28 GMT -5
I say it's like this Rule #1 in promos never truly bury your oppent. Insult him but dont bury him completly. The way thier scripting Cena/Rock in live promos they are kinda burying him, and by doing that then they also bury Cena becuse if he Wins then he just beat Dwanye Johnson the guy who he made out to be a phoney who doesnt have it anymore.. If he loses Then he just lost to Dwayne Johnson the guy who he made out to be a phoney who doesnt have it anymore.
Thats is my complaint
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Post by memphis25 on Mar 8, 2012 15:33:52 GMT -5
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Mar 8, 2012 15:43:11 GMT -5
but the Cena cheerleaders who have become apparently quite vocal all of a sudden are bathing in the opportunity to bash Rock at any given moment. The Rocky fanboys are doing the same thing. They bash Cena at every given moment. That is true. But the prevalent argument has strangely been for most of the Cena supporters, that it's all on the level, and Cena is legitimately defeating The Rock week in and week out as if its not purposely written with the intent to bring Cena up to Rock's level. Not to say, again, that if it was a shoot, the real Cena couldn't hold his own or even win, but the level of smarmy arrogance that Cena has "shown up Rock" and "exposed" him is a little ridiculous given the reality. It's a story. And WWE is telling it a specific way. Rock might still be more popular, regardless, but there's intent to even that playing field.
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Post by johnnybaseball, Mantaur Fan on Mar 8, 2012 15:47:38 GMT -5
I think they've done a good job of making everyone want their guy to win really badly, aka the Team Bring It v. Cenation thing they've been going for. I know I really want Cena to win, I'm sure Rock fans feel the same way about Rocky.
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Post by Snaptastic on Mar 8, 2012 15:50:36 GMT -5
I think they've done a good job of making everyone want their guy to win really badly, aka the Team Bring It v. Cenation thing they've been going for. I know I really want Cena to win, I'm sure Rock fans feel the same way about Rocky. This. I can accept Cena is the face of this era as things stand and that's fine. But in my mark mind, Cena winning at Mania will be the biggest travesty in wrestling since god knows when
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Post by rapidfire187 on Mar 8, 2012 17:14:28 GMT -5
I'm still lost as to what you guys are seeing that makes you think WWE is trying to make Cena look better than The Rock. I think a lot of you guys are going ape s*** retarded because you found yourselves liking Cena over Rock for the last two weeks. Is it so hard to believe that Cena just happened to have a better, more creative approach lately than Rock? Rather than believe that, you've invented a big conspiracy about how WWE is manipulating the fans. Yet you have the nerve to say that people like me are delusional for not believing that? That is laughably stupid. I f***ing love The Rock. I've been one of the Cena haters for the past, but I've warmed up to him a little lately. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with The Rock underperforming (though last week's promo was disappointing) and everything to do with Cena cutting some killer promos on him. I'll still be cheering for The Rock along with everyone in Miami on April 1st. Why is it so hard for other Rock fans to admit that he, as a guy that's been out of the biz for all these years, isn't going to always demolish the guy that's been WWE's top star for this long? Some of you guys really baffle me with your logic. Because all of a sudden for the first time in his career The Rock needs to write giant notes on his forearm to assist him in delivering the lamest promo he has ever given? And then Cena points this out? They're so desperate to get Cena over that they're employing the plot point of "The Rock is incapable of competently delivering a promo now despite never having this problem before ever". Because he's a big Hollywood phony. John Cena cares though. Please cheer John Cena. How do you know it's the first time in Rock's career that he's used that trick? Would you have ever even noticed if Cena hadn't pointed it out? If you want to bash Cena, by all means do so. I really don't give a rat's ass. Was pointing out the notes on Rock's wrist a bit of a low blow? Perhaps. But clearly what Cena has been doing is working because not only are some people, like myself, coming around to the guy, other people, like yourself, think there's a freaking conspiracy to make Rock look bad. I think it's fairly obvious that this feud is NOT a traditional wrestling feud. There aren't any scripted promos involved. I firmly believe that Rock and Cena, being great talkers, are being told to say whatever they want. Why would they book it any differently? Rock and Cena just laying into each other is much more interesting than anything the hack writers in WWE creative could come up with. Which brings me to another point, why on Earth do you guys think that WWE creative is...creative enough to subtly manipulate the audience reaction this way? They haven't been able to get Cena the right reaction in 7 f***ing years, why would they suddenly be able to do it now? Seriously, I can not over state how wrong I think you people are about this. And it just sucks that the only "newz" that we really have to prove you wrong came from that twat Mark Madden. Which really, how the hell would he know anything? He never worked for WWE as far as I'm aware, he certainly didn't work close enough to The Rock to know his tools of the trade.
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Post by King Ghidorah on Mar 8, 2012 17:23:13 GMT -5
Why do you all think the rock has no pride in himself, and would just let Cena walk over him, come on now. He's just loosing to the better man, nothing wrong with that. You'll still have those attitude promo's.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Mar 8, 2012 17:27:52 GMT -5
Why do you all think the rock has no pride in himself, and would just let Cena walk over him, come on now. He's just loosing to the better man, nothing wrong with that. You'll still have those attitude promo's. Don't get me wrong, I fully expect Rock to rip Cena a new asshole at least one more time before Mania. Yea, Cena got the better of him two weeks in a row, but it's not like Rock is incapable of outdoing him. I can't wait to see how it goes next week.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Mar 8, 2012 17:45:19 GMT -5
Here's my take on the whole thing:
The Rock is very talented, in many ways, more so than Cena. That being said, Cena's no schlub; he's very solid, and he can hold his own, both in-ring and on the mic. I think a lot of people expected, if not hoped, that Cena was going to get "Billy Gunn'd" right out of the gate. Instead, Cena not only held his own, but even got over on the 8-time World Champion. The "Rock is holding back on Cena" line of thought probably came about because, for some, it seems completely impossible for The Rock, a legend in his own right and many people's childhood hero, to be evenly-matched (let alone beaten) by someone many of them openly disdain. Therefore, the only answer has to be some sort of conspiracy.
Now I could be completely wrong, but that's just my opinion.
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Post by salsashark on Mar 8, 2012 17:57:24 GMT -5
My problem with the Rock is always destroying Cena perspective is that it reeks of being a self-fulfilling prophecy. Cena wins = Rock let him win Rock wins = Rock just did what he does so well As in, going by this logic, there's no chance that Cena can genuinely win. Also, obviously the shows are scripted and whatever, but when Rock made his big return last year with that great promo on Cena, no one went "THIS DIALOGUE IS ALL JUST SCRIPTED!!" and instead commended Rock for his verbal talents and perspective and telling it how it is on Cena. In this case, Rock supporters always win. Why can't it ever be Cena wins = Cena just did what he does so well Rock wins = Rock just did what he does so well or Cena wins = Rock let him win Rock wins = Cena let him win Won't some Rock fans indulge me by discussing this point?
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Post by rapidfire187 on Mar 8, 2012 18:01:21 GMT -5
My problem with the Rock is always destroying Cena perspective is that it reeks of being a self-fulfilling prophecy. Cena wins = Rock let him win Rock wins = Rock just did what he does so well As in, going by this logic, there's no chance that Cena can genuinely win. Also, obviously the shows are scripted and whatever, but when Rock made his big return last year with that great promo on Cena, no one went "THIS DIALOGUE IS ALL JUST SCRIPTED!!" and instead commended Rock for his verbal talents and perspective and telling it how it is on Cena. In this case, Rock supporters always win. Why can't it ever be Cena wins = Cena just did what he does so well Rock wins = Rock just did what he does so well or Cena wins = Rock let him win Rock wins = Cena let him win Won't some Rock fans indulge me by discussing this point? Cena wins = Cena just did what he does so well Rock wins = Rock just did what he does so well This is basically my opinion on the matter. Though, I don't really think that it's a case of "Cena doing what he does so well" as much as it is "Cena stepped the f*** up and surprised us".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 18:15:40 GMT -5
My problem with the Rock is always destroying Cena perspective is that it reeks of being a self-fulfilling prophecy. Cena wins = Rock let him win Rock wins = Rock just did what he does so well As in, going by this logic, there's no chance that Cena can genuinely win. Also, obviously the shows are scripted and whatever, but when Rock made his big return last year with that great promo on Cena, no one went "THIS DIALOGUE IS ALL JUST SCRIPTED!!" and instead commended Rock for his verbal talents and perspective and telling it how it is on Cena. In this case, Rock supporters always win. Why can't it ever be Cena wins = Cena just did what he does so well Rock wins = Rock just did what he does so well or Cena wins = Rock let him win Rock wins = Cena let him win Won't some Rock fans indulge me by discussing this point? Because the curtain drawn between the ring and backstage still mystify people to the point where distorting reality is easier than trying to adjust their perpsective. In other words, no matter who is right, the Rock and Cena were probably backstage on Monday drinking champagne and toasting to the millions....and millions...... of dollars they'll make off the entire debacle.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Mar 8, 2012 19:13:14 GMT -5
My problem with the Rock is always destroying Cena perspective is that it reeks of being a self-fulfilling prophecy. Cena wins = Rock let him win Rock wins = Rock just did what he does so well As in, going by this logic, there's no chance that Cena can genuinely win. Also, obviously the shows are scripted and whatever, but when Rock made his big return last year with that great promo on Cena, no one went "THIS DIALOGUE IS ALL JUST SCRIPTED!!" and instead commended Rock for his verbal talents and perspective and telling it how it is on Cena. In this case, Rock supporters always win. Why can't it ever be Cena wins = Cena just did what he does so well Rock wins = Rock just did what he does so well or Cena wins = Rock let him win Rock wins = Cena let him win Won't some Rock fans indulge me by discussing this point? Because you're right probably. Pro-wrestling is a work. It was a work in '99, it's a work in 2011. Nobody gets over on their own ability alone because it isn't real. Everyone is pushed and scripted to be in the places they are, whether you're being made to look good or bad. The Rock having notes on his arm was in the script, but so were 90%+ of any of the awesome things you can ever remember him doing. He's a fictional character on a TV show. Why this is suddenly an issue for people is anyone's guess. Being pissed off because Cena is getting the better of The Rock, when you think in an unscripted battle Rocky would own him is as asinine as being pissed off when CM Punk is beating up Jericho on TV because you think Y2J could beat the shit out of him in a legit fist fight. It's irrelevant.
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