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Post by joebob27 on Mar 6, 2012 21:47:50 GMT -5
But the people from out of town tend to overwhelmingly be the kind of people that boo Cena usually. Like at Mania usually you have the local fans that are like 50/50 Cena/Anti Cena, and then the fans that travel there who boo Cena like 90/10. I expect Cena's reaction, even with all this absurd bulls*** to make him look like Superman to The Rock's Gabby Jay, to be just like ONS 06 or MITB 11. This isn't the usual Mania. As we have seen the last 3 weeks, fans are slowly turning towards Cena's side. If the fans that travel have responded to the last 3 weeks anything like this board has(We have a pretty good cross section of fans from around the world), that is going to be 60/40 Rock. Not going to be remotely close to ONS '06 or MITB. They booed the guy out of the building last year against the Miz. He gets booed out of the building pretty much every time he showed up at WM since they dropped his gimmick. Yet you think he's going to get a good response there? In that match, against him? Honest question, do you write for them, because your thought process is kinda similiar to theirs. "Don't worry, Vince, Rock's getting his heat back, there's no way the crowd will make Hogan the face."
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Post by joebob27 on Mar 6, 2012 21:54:19 GMT -5
It also goes both ways, notice when Rock went on about how big he was and how he was gonna rip Cena's throat out, they shot from an angle and Cena was standing in a way that made Rock look much bigger than him? Totally scripted 1,000% I never said any of this was unintentional or that it wasn't scripted. My only point was that a bulk of this is due to Cena doing a good job with his promos. I think a lot of us are overlooking how much this is on the back of the wrestlers themselves, even if they aren't ad-libbing. A line on a script requires a good performer to truly make it work, and if WWE were attempting to put Evan Bourne on Rock's level promo wise by using the tactics they are with Cena, it would undebatably backfire big time and WWE's desperation would be even more glaring. WWE is polishing something, but they're polishing a ruby, not a turd. You may get that, but alot of people here don't seem to get that this is totally manufactured, to try and achieve a result. It's not a case of one guy outperforming anyway, it's micromanged, like I said, to the point they cut to a shot that made Rock/Cena look like Andre/Hogan size wise. Silly, considering Cena has carried around 650LB+ of wrestler on his shoulders, but they're going for something here. I just don't think what they're going for is smart and it's going to hurt their bottom line. When you spend alot of money for a rental, use the rental right, or don't spend the money. I feel like they're de-elevating Rock to Cena instead of the other way around. That doesn't help you when this is over. Just like Rock finished that stint w/ Hogan getting booed out of the building against Brock, unless they really elevate Cena and are serious about it, he'll be getting booed out of the building against Punk this summer too.
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Post by Spec_Sun on Mar 6, 2012 21:58:19 GMT -5
I don't believe The Rock is holding back anything. He hasn't been good, and I feel the same about Cena. From the corny and lame repetitive jokes to the less than genuine mannerisms from both guys, the storyline continues to be a letdown for me. Too many promos and not as much creativity is regressing my interest in the build. I still believe the match will be good, but the build is weak.
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Post by chiapet22 on Mar 6, 2012 22:00:41 GMT -5
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Mar 7, 2012 9:15:17 GMT -5
I just don't think what they're going for is smart and it's going to hurt their bottom line. When you spend alot of money for a rental, use the rental right, or don't spend the money. I feel like they're de-elevating Rock to Cena instead of the other way around. For the last time THIS ISN"T GOING TO HURT THE BOTTOM LINE. They are going to make a ton of money off this match no matter how they are booking it right now.
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Post by Essential1 on Mar 7, 2012 9:33:09 GMT -5
Yeah the match will be good but right now the vibe is off. Not like they really dislike eachother or anything to really prove to anyone.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Mar 7, 2012 10:58:53 GMT -5
I'm just baffled people think Cena's "winning" after Monday. I thought Rock destroyed him. The pretaped segments were hilarious. Classic Rock. Cena's pops came from A. quoting the Rock's catchphrases and B. dropping Boston references. I'm not a blind Cena hater either. If this was truly unscripted I have no doubt Cena could hold his own against Rock, but having him try to make Rock a phony isn't working. I guess people were fooled by his cliche "owned him" mannerisms, like tossing the mic.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Mar 7, 2012 11:39:26 GMT -5
I'm just baffled people think Cena's "winning" after Monday. I thought Rock destroyed him. The pretaped segments were hilarious. Classic Rock. Cena's pops came from A. quoting the Rock's catchphrases and B. dropping Boston references. I'm not a blind Cena hater either. If this was truly unscripted I have no doubt Cena could hold his own against Rock, but having him try to make Rock a phony isn't working. I guess people were fooled by his cliche "owned him" mannerisms, like tossing the mic. Cena is "winning because he is staying on point while Rock is just trying to insult Cena. Childish and lame insults do not = destroying Cena. Cena has whipped Rock's ass on content.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2012 11:46:29 GMT -5
I'm just baffled people think Cena's "winning" after Monday. I thought Rock destroyed him. The pretaped segments were hilarious. Classic Rock. Cena's pops came from A. quoting the Rock's catchphrases and B. dropping Boston references. I'm not a blind Cena hater either. If this was truly unscripted I have no doubt Cena could hold his own against Rock, but having him try to make Rock a phony isn't working. I guess people were fooled by his cliche "owned him" mannerisms, like tossing the mic. I'm baffled that any one would declare the guy who used "Kung Pao bitch" as a winner of anything.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Mar 7, 2012 22:06:44 GMT -5
I'm just baffled people think Cena's "winning" after Monday. I thought Rock destroyed him. The pretaped segments were hilarious. Classic Rock. Cena's pops came from A. quoting the Rock's catchphrases and B. dropping Boston references. I'm not a blind Cena hater either. If this was truly unscripted I have no doubt Cena could hold his own against Rock, but having him try to make Rock a phony isn't working. I guess people were fooled by his cliche "owned him" mannerisms, like tossing the mic. I'm baffled that any one would declare the guy who used "Kung Pao bitch" as a winner of anything. That was the week before. Besides, that had the arena chanting.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Mar 7, 2012 22:23:03 GMT -5
The thing is Cena is winning on the in ring mic work. Yes the tape segements on Raw where great classic Rock. But the Rock that came out on Raw was not the same. The Rock delivery wasn't the same. Never before until the last two in arena mic work. Does The Rock use I or Me when speaking about himself. He always went The Rock says this or that. Never said I or me.
The Rock insults last week was lame. And Cena owned him in the response IMO. As The Rock owned Cena in the tapped segements through Boston. You can tell there trying to make each other look to be even. But it's worthless. Because WM will likely be a very pro Rock crowd no matter what they do. Of course this week Cena was going too look better because they where in his own town.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Mar 7, 2012 22:26:47 GMT -5
Cena's smiling killed anything he said for me. Rock seemed dead serious and threatening face to face. Cena seemed like he was corpsing. Nobody's pointed out any of the content that Cena said that was better than what the Rock said. I don't even remember what he was talking about. I only remember him quoting the Rock and talking about keg stands or something.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Mar 8, 2012 1:00:34 GMT -5
So, ya, Meltzer pretty much validated WWE purposely writing and booking Rock weaker to bring Cena up in this week's Observer. But hey, I'll beat you to the punch -- it's NEWZ, right? I mean what does Meltzer know? He is only friends with Rock in real life, after all.
Doesn't mean that you still can't think that Cena's "winning", though. But it does shatter the smugness in this this thread by certain people that it's simply merit vs. merit, and Cena's showing him what for in real life, damn it. (not to say in real life Cena couldn't hang; just that it's being booked this way, on purpose, with reason.).
So, ya, case closed. Title of thread should be changed to "For those that think Rock's holding back on Cena...You're right."
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Post by trollrogue on Mar 8, 2012 1:39:47 GMT -5
Rock is NOT holding back and is NOT being told to. Anyone who thinks so is a complete and utter idiot. Rock is clearly following a script (notes on hand). Anyone who thinks otherwise is a yada yada yada...
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Post by trollrogue on Mar 8, 2012 2:25:45 GMT -5
^Great post.
I think a lot of arguments over scripted/not-scripted, held back/not held back and etc. can be avoided by a simple sentence:
The Rock is willing to let Cena look like a million bucks at his expense.
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Post by joebob27 on Mar 8, 2012 2:39:24 GMT -5
I just don't think what they're going for is smart and it's going to hurt their bottom line. When you spend alot of money for a rental, use the rental right, or don't spend the money. I feel like they're de-elevating Rock to Cena instead of the other way around. For the last time THIS ISN"T GOING TO HURT THE BOTTOM LINE. They are going to make a ton of money off this match no matter how they are booking it right now. They didn't make that much money off the Survivor Series match. It's not as simple as having the match and people throwing their money at you. They may think it is, but it's not.
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Post by celticjobber on Mar 8, 2012 3:34:43 GMT -5
Pretty much everything is scripted. Brian Gerwitz is the Rock's right-hand man and does most of his promos. He does the lion's share of Cena's too.
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but Dave Meltzer said he was told that the scribbling on the Rock's arm and Cena mentioning it was a take-off on something that happened with Sarah Palin last year.
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Post by salTy on Mar 8, 2012 3:58:47 GMT -5
This feud sucks because while The Rock is cutting mostly kayfabe promos, Cena seems to be attacking Dwayne Johnson the person--which has become a lot of the norm these days. The Rock comes from an era where kayfabe is still the norm, and he's been cutting promos very close to what he would normally cut in that era. I don't think he knows how to respond to the "shoot" style we've grown accustomed to. The Rock is trying to make Cena the character look bad, while it seems Cena is trying to make Dwayne Johnson look bad.
The clear character lines of the previous era compared to the more faded character lines of today don't mix.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 8, 2012 6:43:42 GMT -5
None of it's gonna matter really either, whether it's scripted to make Rock look bad or no, he's still gonna be cheered overwhelmingly in Miami. I don't think there's any question there. In a way, I guess trying to make Cena look as good as possible is an admirable goal, but when it gets to showtime, that's gonna be for naught, crowd-wise.
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Post by memphis25 on Mar 8, 2012 7:09:43 GMT -5
Its clear this match has caused people to lose all touch with reality. Everything about this scripted and its all booked to get Cena over more with the fans. Every slight detail in this is all planed out and approved, do you guys honestly think one of the greatest talkers in the history of the game, and a man who's been in the longest talking segment in WWE history and is also a movie star needs notes on his arm to remember a promo all of a sudden?
Vince isn't letting two guys go out there and shoot on each other in the buildup to one of his last fresh big money matches.
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