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Post by Tiger Maskooo on Mar 8, 2012 19:16:31 GMT -5
I dont think there's a conspiracy.
I think that this is a wrestling angle and i've seen alot of wrestling.
I mean you and others ask,why would rock go out there and purposefully embarass himself
Because Why does ric flair let his opponent pull down his tights which shows his ass to the crowd? Why have some of warriors opponents let their offense be no sold and then let themselves be pinned with just a lariat and a splash? Why do people not kick out of rkos?
Because one of the foundations of professional wrestling is making your other opponent look better or equal. That's the point! Why do you think rocks there people? To kick john cena's ass legit and send him packing to west newbury? No. The guys going to put him over in the main event of wrestlemania. He's then going to deliver a speech about how John Cena was just that much better than him. They'll shake hands and that's that.
I mean folks,i'm hardly the obnoxious guy screaming"ITS A WORK"but that's what wrestling is.
This whole thing is like asking why people would purposefully let themselves start saying their name before rock yelled"It doesnt matter what your name is"..because they wanted rock to look good.
It's not a conspiracy. It's the nature of wrestling. One person is always in a match to make the other look on par or better than he is. Why do you think squash matches were invented?
Because they're not really doing it now. I mean this has gotten people on the internet talking but it's not exactly like the crowds are turning around to worship John Cena. They're still booing him heavily. I mean i've read people talking about how during the empty arena promo people were chanting"this is awful". The hatred of John Cena is NOT undone. To people on here,it might be. Some people might be getting worked into it here. Some people in the crowd might. But the majority is still rock and it's a pretty sweeping majority.
Because cena doesnt really do it that well even when he's supposed to win in narrative. How many cena promos have you seen where this heel cuts a passionate rant on cena and cena responds by either doing his angry black man voice or making a couple of lame jokes at him.
Though to be fair,i've thought that every promo cena has cut in the past few weeks has honestly sucked.
I think it just boils down to the fact that alot of people think that john cena isnt as good on the mic as rock and some think hes not good at all. There's years of evidence of that. The man tried to get cm sucks over for god sakes.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 8, 2012 19:38:49 GMT -5
Yeah the eventual handshake of respect is pretty damn telegraphed at this point. It's coming.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Mar 8, 2012 19:52:54 GMT -5
I dont think there's a conspiracy. I think that this is a wrestling angle and i've seen alot of wrestling. I mean you and others ask,why would rock go out there and purposefully embarass himself Because Why does ric flair let his opponent pull down his tights which shows his ass to the crowd? Why have some of warriors opponents let their offense be no sold and then let themselves be pinned with just a lariat and a splash? Why do people not kick out of rkos? Because one of the foundations of professional wrestling is making your other opponent look better or equal. That's the point! Why do you think rocks there people? To kick john cena's ass legit and send him packing to west newbury? No. The guys going to put him over in the main event of wrestlemania. He's then going to deliver a speech about how John Cena was just that much better than him. They'll shake hands and that's that. I mean folks,i'm hardly the obnoxious guy screaming"ITS A WORK"but that's what wrestling is. This whole thing is like asking why people would purposefully let themselves start saying their name before rock yelled"It doesnt matter what your name is"..because they wanted rock to look good. It's not a conspiracy. It's the nature of wrestling. One person is always in a match to make the other look on par or better than he is. Why do you think squash matches were invented? Oh boy. I never asked why would Rock go out there and purposely embarrass himself. To ask something like that would insinuate that the man has embarrassed himself. New flash: he hasn't. I've seen a lot of wrestling too, I've been watching for something like 20 years. I've been a "smark" for over 10 years. And in my entire time of watching wrestling, I've never seen WWE be that subtle about anything. When they want you to cheer for a guy, it's pretty damn obvious. Same thing when they want you to boo a guy. When they do face vs face feuds, they generally leave well enough alone and have the fans cheer for whoever they want to. WWE loves dueling chants. You're arguing this by bringing up traditional wrestling angles. This is NOT a traditional wrestling angle. WWE is doing something different for once, and you're refusing to see it for some reason. Despite the fact that there is not one piece of solid evidence to support what you're saying, you insist that WWE is trying to manipulate the situation so that Cena looks better than Rock. You seriously just sat there and compared this Warrior squashing a jobber. That's just asinine. I have no idea why you're talking down to the people in this thread that are seeing this for what it is. Of course it's a work, if it happens on TV, 99.9% of the time it's a work. But it's a different kind of work. You act like you've never seen unscripted promos before. Hell, HHH and Shawn do them all the time. WWE generally lets their veteran wrestlers go by some guidelines, but say their own material. That's exactly what they're doing with Rock and Cena, they're telling them to go out there and talk s*** about each other. Nobody said to Rock "Okay, now we're going to write some notes on your wrist. Then Cena's going to call you on it and leave. Then you're going to stumble over a couple of your words and that's going to make this feud more even". If you really believe that, then I question your logic. Like, that is a situation that you guys have just created for some ridiculous reason. It's so convoluted and stupid that I am really surprised that there is more than one person here that believes it. And I don't see how that obvious ass prediction that Rock is gonna put over Cena in the ring and then finally show him some respect is supposed to help your argument. Nobody think's Rock's going to win the match, and that's not what this is about anyway. But I will laugh my ass off and make sure to smear this in your face if your not so creative prediction doesn't come true.
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Post by kidglov3s on Mar 8, 2012 20:05:40 GMT -5
I'm sorry but to me the Occam's razor, simplest conclusion is that they did plan for Rock to go out there, have conspicuous notes on his wrist, have them be visible on screen and sure to be in frame during his promo, have Cena call him out on that, have Rock look stunned, and have all of this be canon in this feud. I understand that we can disagree on this, but that is how I'm interpreting the situation.
Does John Cena have a history of going into business for himself, especially with something of this magnitude? All of the shoots in WWE this past year have been worked with beats to hit to one degree or another, like how Punk made sure to make a nonsensical swipe at his own fans for the sake of being a heel during his shoot on Raw or Punk and HHH coincidentally crossing paths at Comic-Con.
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Post by salsashark on Mar 8, 2012 20:38:06 GMT -5
I do appreciate you giving your honest thoughts on Cena's promos, even if this is incredibly biased.
Because cena doesnt really do it that well even when he's supposed to win in narrative. How many cena promos have you seen where this heel cuts a passionate rant on cena and cena responds by either doing his angry black man voice or making a couple of lame jokes at him.
OK, because these insults are all genuine and off-the-cuff and not scripted and indicative of Cena being a moron. I mean, come on, don't you think he's booked to say the bad, stupid stuff as often as he is saying the compelling stuff? The show is scripted. Blame the writers for coming up with the bad stuff if you want, or blame Cena. He's a major character constantly involved in plot lines so he likely has most of his stuff written for him. If this is some kind of shoot verbal feud, how is that stuff an acknowledgement of his real skills?
The point I'm getting at is the double standard, which your rebuttal doesn't address. When Rock came back in March 2011 or whatever it was and delivered that great promo, no one yelled that it was scripted or office-approved or office-driven -- people just got caught up in the show and the excitement. But with everything going on over here and now, anyone who is a fan of Cena has to constantly here about this is scripted and that is scripted, etc. The basic premise is that Rock fans' argument makes it so that Cena can never win or legitimately look good, which is BS, as if it's impossible to imagine him stepping up or moving out of the crappy things he's said in the past.
I think it just boils down to the fact that alot of people think that john cena isnt as good on the mic as rock and some think hes not good at all. There's years of evidence of that. The man tried to get cm sucks over for god sakes.
This is like saying 'Once a loser, always a loser.' Fine if you or other Rock fans think Cena sucks, but it's not as if Rock was 100% infallible either. Back when he was Rocky Maivia, for example, his mic work wasn't very good, and even since then, he's had various missteps (Kung Pao Bitch, Popcorn Fart, etc.). Not fair at all to hang Cena for "CM Sucks." What if Rock isn't as good as you thought before? Just a question.
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Post by Tiger Maskooo on Mar 8, 2012 21:16:54 GMT -5
Dude. He's the top guy in the company. If you think that its a giant logical leap to assume that they're trying to make the TOP GUY IN THE COMPANY look like he's better than his opponent then I don't even know what to say to you. In saying that,while I personally admit I dont enjoy it,I'm not trying to use it as a conspiracy theory. I'm just saying something I believe to be the case. I think that they realise that while rock is gone the raw after mania probably,cena is staying for the long term. That's smart business on their part.
And I realise that warrior squash matches are not the best example but I was just trying to say that across the board the board theres lots of instances of people sacrificing themselves to make the other person look better.
For all I know parts of the exchange were unscripted but I think even with a guideline that it was manipulated to have cena get the better of rock. I think it was probably planned to mention the notes. I mean sure,I don't know 100% but it seems pretty convinent to just have it there on hard camera and then have rock just sit there stunned after cena called him out on it for like 15 seconds. It seems very,very contrived to me.
They've done stuff like this before. I mean just think about shawn and bret. Bret even talked about how some of those"shoot"promos were pretty much scripted by vince. WWE has always been very controlled. Look at how they've edited crowd reactions.
I don't think assuming that wwe would try to control the main event of wrestlemania is the stupidest assumption.
If you want to smear in my face that i've come to a conclusion that something in wrestling is a work and it possibly might not be then I hope you evolve to smearing in my face how I sometimes have believed that it was going to be really muddy outside after a night of rain but in reality has only been MODERATELY MUDDY. I'm as guilty of getting emotional as anyone but that's very petty.
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Post by Tiger Maskooo on Mar 8, 2012 21:54:44 GMT -5
No problem,it was geuninely a pretty good question and I apologise if I let personal bias get too far in the way of answering it intellectually. I'll try and improve on that with this post.
I get what you're saying and it's a valid point. I think the reason that most rock fans talk about how scripted it is just because they feel highly annoyed at the fact that a guy they're a fan of might be being made out to look like a fool. I think part of the psychology of that is the same psychology that leads to people getting mad when they feel like a talent they love is getting buried.
I think also you have to factor in who he's facing in John Cena. Cena is a man who alot of people have built up resentment towards in feeling like that their voices havent been heard and he keeps on getting pushed down peoples throats. To have rock be's cena's inferior whether this was actually a case of cena being better than rock or rock being lowered I think just brings back the negative feelings that were associated with seeing stuff like him beating folks like angle,jericho and christian.
It strikes people as another example of the seemingly endless John Cena push.
It's sort of impossible for alot of people to give credit to john cena because so much resentment has been built up and there's so many years of him doing stuff that alot of people found lame.
It is true that cena could move out of the things he's said in the past possibly. At times,I admit that I've thought he's cut a good promo and not everything rock has said in his career has worked.
However,personally speaking,John Cena has had 7 years of promos that I think have been pretty consistantly bad. I think even with the argument of writers writing bad cena promos,it's been I think a trend. I don't know if I can blame writers for how consistantly bad they've been. Not even the content always but the delivery. Infact the delivery is what is the worst to me. It seems very stilted.
Rock however does I think have pretty good delivery. You mention kung pao bitch and oh yeah that was lame but he did deliver it well enough that it got chanted. That's a skill john cena hasn't shown much of.
I guess what im trying to say is that I don't think rock fans have felt that cena has shown that he can move past the stupid things he's said yet.
I don't know if that successfully answered your question the way I intended to but I tried.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Mar 8, 2012 22:03:12 GMT -5
Dude. He's the top guy in the company. If you think that its a giant logical leap to assume that they're trying to make the TOP GUY IN THE COMPANY look like he's better than his opponent then I don't even know what to say to you. In saying that,while I personally admit I dont enjoy it,I'm not trying to use it as a conspiracy theory. I'm just saying something I believe to be the case. I think that they realise that while rock is gone the raw after mania probably,cena is staying for the long term. That's smart business on their part. And I realise that warrior squash matches are not the best example but I was just trying to say that across the board the board theres lots of instances of people sacrificing themselves to make the other person look better. For all I know parts of the exchange were unscripted but I think even with a guideline that it was manipulated to have cena get the better of rock. I think it was probably planned to mention the notes. I mean sure,I don't know 100% but it seems pretty convinent to just have it there on hard camera and then have rock just sit there stunned after cena called him out on it for like 15 seconds. It seems very,very contrived to me. They've done stuff like this before. I mean just think about shawn and bret. Bret even talked about how some of those"shoot"promos were pretty much scripted by vince. WWE has always been very controlled. Look at how they've edited crowd reactions. I don't think assuming that wwe would try to control the main event of wrestlemania is the stupidest assumption. If you want to smear in my face that i've come to a conclusion that something in wrestling is a work and it possibly might not be then I hope you evolve to smearing in my face how I sometimes have believed that it was going to be really muddy outside after a night of rain but in reality has only been MODERATELY MUDDY. I'm as guilty of getting emotional as anyone but that's very petty. No, I'm not going to smear the fact that wrestling is a work in your face...that's stupid...and that's not what I said. You are not only absolutely sure that WWE trying to purposely make one of the faces in a face vs face feud look bad but also that Cena's going to win the match and that Rock is going to cut some big respect promo on him the next night. Like you have some sort of crystal ball or inside sources just because you're a long time fan. All I'm saying is that if your prediction ends up being wrong, I'm going to make sure to bring it up, and maybe you'll think twice before trying to look like such a know it all in the future. I mean, that's a pretty logical prediction to make and it's the same prediction we've all been making since the match was announced a year ago, but it doesn't make this silly conspiracy any more legitimate. You're spinning it as "why wouldn't WWE want their top face to look better than Rock?". You're probably right, I'm sure WWE would be thrilled if Cena got cheered over Rock. But they're not stupid. The match is in Rock's hometown and Rock's been getting more cheers than Cena this whole time...nothing they do is going to change that. They could have Rock go out there and take a big ol' s*** in JR's hat and the fans would still cheer him over Cena. I'm sure they would be thrilled if there were dueling Rocky and Cena chants at WM, but the idea that they would have Rock go out there and under perform is just naive. I'm not mad at you or anything, please don't take it personally man. I'm just a little peeved at the notion that somehow I'm missing something glaringly obvious because I don't believe this stupid crap about WWE trying to make Rock look bad. You guys are the ones that are jumping to conclusions and trying to make an issue where there isn't one. Your argument consists of "this is how wrestling works" and you shove a bunch of irrelevant examples out there like that somehow supports your claim. The fact is that the only piece of insider info to come out (albeit from a crappy source) says that you're wrong. Even without that info I feel very strongly that you're wrong. Stop trying to say that if we don't believe that Rock is letting Cena get over on him that we must believe this is all a shoot. That has nothing to do with it. Why is it so hard to believe that in this freaking reality era that WWE is in right now, that they would let them go out there and do their own thing?
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Post by kidglov3s on Mar 8, 2012 22:22:51 GMT -5
The fact is that the only piece of insider info to come out (albeit from a crappy source) says that you're wrong. Even without that info I feel very strongly that you're wrong. Carless says Meltzer says it's a work, I consider that to be as insidery as Madden and more trustworthy. Also, the 411mania report contained errors in itself, in that the internet video has been edited and it hasn't been. Either way something in wrestling has got passion fired up and I hope we can all agree that that's... a good thing. I hope it translates to heightened interest and a healthy buyrate.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Mar 8, 2012 22:23:51 GMT -5
Jesus. Let's just put this to rest so we can (try to) enjoy the story and match already.
Nothing is "Unscripted" here. WWE's not throwing Rock under the bus and letting Cena "shoot". Rock’s putting Cena over willingly. He's going along with the script. He's onboard. There is no real life beef between them or any conspiracy. Cena's doing what the writer's ask (and doing it well), ands so is Rock.
The purpose of this build is for Cena to be seen on Rock's level, hook or crook. Some would argue that he always was -- but the company needs him to be seen that way by most for the long-term success of their business. Him just beating Rock isn't enough. Because a good portion will just see it as their manufactured golden boy being given another golden apple to add to his collection. Cena has to be EQUAL for it to work. Rock's there to PUT OVER Cena. And that's not just in the ring, 1,2,3.
Rock is arguably the most unselfish Main Eventer in wrestling history. This is a guy who didn't bat an eye when he was told to lose to guys like The Hollys or Al Snow. He even insisted on putting over The Hurricane when no one else would. He showed a ton of ass as a heel and as a babyface. If they asked him to shit his pants in the ring this monday, dude probably would, so long as it made sense to the story. So, ya, he purposely wrote notes on his wrist. It's not that farfetched.
Rock's there now to complete Cena. That's the point. (Unfortunately, perhaps). He's not defending his legacy. He’s cementing John's. Like Andre with Hulk. That's all that's being said.
Seriously, the fact that some people can't separate fiction from reality and preference from intention here is starting to really shock me. There's nothing wrong with taking sides, kayfabing, and supporting your team. But let's not, at its root, forget what wrestling truly is. It's one guy, putting over another WILLINGLY. AND THAT’S WHAT ROCK IS DOING. Roles are being played. And well. Rock's not being exposed. Cena's being highlighted.
It's not an unscripted crapshoot with a guy (Rock), who if you screwed him over for real, you risk him saying, "f*** you," and finding a way out, thus ruining WrestleMania. What you're seeing is as real as Andre tearing the crucifix off of Hogan. It's eliciting a base reaction and building the story. It’s helping us believe. But don't kid yourselves in thinking it's not intended or planned.
I'm starting to think there's a mental block on some people's part in seeing this truth. Like, they personally need to believe that Cena is really defeating Rock legit and showing him up, or that WWE is f***ing over The Rock, without him knowing. Both sides desperately want their version to be true, so it can validate their personal preferences and mark their particular generation as superior. It makes for a great dynamic come match time. But when discussing logic and reality? No. Cena, Rock and Vince are all happily working together. The end.
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Post by Tiger Maskooo on Mar 8, 2012 22:36:28 GMT -5
Man I think somewhere along the way we all got confused by what each other was saying. I probably could be to blame for alot of it because im pretty tired.
Basically what sean said is what I mean. I don't think that wwe is trying to ruin rock but merely that theyre working an angle.
I think what cena is getting at with his promos is the notion that he's gone hollywood and has lost touch. The notion that he's become dwayne instead of the rock.
I think him under performing,seeming rattled and the whole notes thing is just him playing into that.
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Post by xCompackx on Mar 8, 2012 22:52:45 GMT -5
Carless said it best. Though, some little tiny part of me still believes Rock could win.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Mar 8, 2012 22:58:10 GMT -5
Carless said it best. Though, some little tiny part of me still believes Rock could win. I think we as fans have to think like that in the end, to truly get emotionally invested in the matches. Everyone in Toronto in 2002 wanted Hogan --the real Hulkster-- to dig deep and pull it off, even if deep down, they already knew the result going in. There's no difference here. I'm pulling for Rock, and the mark in me hopes they give me what I want, even if the realist in me picks it apart.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Mar 8, 2012 23:53:36 GMT -5
The fact is that the only piece of insider info to come out (albeit from a crappy source) says that you're wrong. Even without that info I feel very strongly that you're wrong. Carless says Meltzer says it's a work, I consider that to be as insidery as Madden and more trustworthy. Also, the 411mania report contained errors in itself, in that the internet video has been edited and it hasn't been. Either way something in wrestling has got passion fired up and I hope we can all agree that that's... a good thing. I hope it translates to heightened interest and a healthy buyrate. I hadn't heard that. If that stuff really is a work the bravo to WWE because I'm buying into it completely. That's subtlety beyond anything I ever believed they're capable of. I don't really see the point of it, but bravo anyway. I really have enjoyed debating this, it reminds me of the endless debates about Montreal back in the day, but it's going nowhere fast. Like, it doesn't bother me if people think that Rock is intentionally letting Cena get some heat on him, it just bothers me that they say it like it's a fact when there's no way to know. And it REALLY bothers me when people use it as a basis for bashing the feud. I just wish everyone would enjoy the ride instead of fussing so much. After some of the garbage that WWE has put out in the past, it drives me nuts that people whine about what's going on right now when the product is actually quite good.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 23:55:39 GMT -5
Seancarless pretty much explain it all. It's obvious though. I mean it SHOULD be obvious but still we have people here trying to turn this into some whole "It's real dammit it's so real you have to understand" thing. Yeah you can like Cena and all or dislike Rock but look at it from all sides first. Was I the only one who knew Rock was be used to propel Cena when he first signed up for their feud? Again, it should be common sense. It's John Cena versus the Rock. You have all these other guys who have helped Cena get further and now you have the biggest one of them all. I'm a huge Rock fan myself, he was my favorite back in the day with Austin but it should have been clear as day to anyone to know that this would happen. However it seems the WWE has booked it differently. Rather than the Hogan/Rock feud where Rock bigged Hogan up repeatedly so when he won we thought "Damn, the Rock is that dude, he did it" we have Rock being pushed down so Cena can look better. Overall in the end it'll be Cena being "the guy' when it's said and done, we knew this, we should know that but still that's where it lies. Rock can win at WM for all I care because really when it all ends Cena will be getting the better of the Rock when it's said and done because that's how the business works. Rock understand the business, he knows what his purpose is and now he's doing his part promo-wise. This is the same guy that put over Shane Helms......SHANE HELMS! Why would he not put over Cena? The Rock's put a lot of people over in his day, he's not Triple H. Actually, Rock put over Triple H as well. I'm very surprised people here honestly think the WWE would risk it's numbers, business and sales in order to let Cena and Rock run roughshod on each other in the middle of the ring. This is the WWE. They. Are. Not. Stupid. The is WM. If they risk everything on Cena and Rock doing well do you think they'll do something that stupid? Come on now. I mean really now. I know people are so caught onto liking Cena but let's be serious: it seems to be that people are so in love with Cena/dislike Rock or just something inbetween that causes them to forget this is the WWE. Did people even forgot that week where Cena "shook up Rock" they said Cena was going to arrive in time to read the script and then do his thing? It's common really. No one is saying Cena is bad on the mic, we know the kid can go. This is the Rock we're talking about, he's been an actor this entire time. There's no way I can see Cena popping out a completely weak "Barney dinosaur blah blah" promo against Rock right now in this feud and with that said there's no way I can see the Rock out of all people being someone who is apparently, given the views of some people here, "isn't as good as he used to be". This guy's been an actor...you should never doubt his promo skills. There's a few guys in the business who you should never doubt when it comes to promos no matter how long they've been gone and 2 of them are Jericho and the other is the Rock. This did not happen last year when he appeared, at all, it's happening now, why? It's all a plan orchestrated by the WWE to get the maximum sales. This is their meal ticket. You don't mess with a lion's meal. It's serious. This whole reality thing is getting to people. They can't believe this is all scripted and want it to be real so bad they're completely missing the point. Get into the feud, look at what they're doing then go back to it. I wish Punk never cut that promo at times because honestly people expect everyone to be doing promos when they clearly aren't. Come on now. So, ya, Meltzer pretty much validated WWE purposely writing and booking Rock weaker to bring Cena up in this week's Observer. But hey, I'll beat you to the punch -- it's NEWZ, right? I mean what does Meltzer know? He is only friends with Rock in real life, after all.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Mar 9, 2012 5:54:40 GMT -5
So, ya, Meltzer pretty much validated WWE purposely writing and booking Rock weaker to bring Cena up in this week's Observer. But hey, I'll beat you to the punch -- it's NEWZ, right? I mean what does Meltzer know? He is only friends with Rock in real life, after all. That last sentence is why you should be even more suspicious and not take Meltzer's word as gospel. Friends have a habit of letting their bias color what they say. Meltzer could very easily be lying when he said that in order to defend his friend. Friendship does create bias.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 9, 2012 6:45:27 GMT -5
Jesus. Let's just put this to rest so we can (try to) enjoy the story and match already. Nothing is "Unscripted" here. WWE's not throwing Rock under the bus and letting Cena "shoot". Rock’s putting Cena over willingly. He's going along with the script. He's onboard. There is no real life beef between them or any conspiracy. Cena's doing what the writer's ask (and doing it well), ands so is Rock. The purpose of this build is for Cena to be seen on Rock's level, hook or crook. Some would argue that he always was -- but the company needs him to be seen that way by most for the long-term success of their business. Him just beating Rock isn't enough. Because a good portion will just see it as their manufactured golden boy being given another golden apple to add to his collection. Cena has to be EQUAL for it to work. Rock's there to PUT OVER Cena. And that's not just in the ring, 1,2,3. Rock is arguably the most unselfish Main Eventer in wrestling history. This is a guy who didn't bat an eye when he was told to lose to guys like The Hollys or Al Snow. He even insisted on putting over The Hurricane when no one else would. He showed a ton of ass as a heel and as a babyface. If they asked him to s*** his pants in the ring this monday, dude probably would, so long as it made sense to the story. So, ya, he purposely wrote notes on his wrist. It's not that farfetched. Rock's there now to complete Cena. That's the point. (Unfortunately, perhaps). He's not defending his legacy. He’s cementing John's. Like Andre with Hulk. That's all that's being said. Seriously, the fact that some people can't separate fiction from reality and preference from intention here is starting to really shock me. There's nothing wrong with taking sides, kayfabing, and supporting your team. But let's not, at its root, forget what wrestling truly is. It's one guy, putting over another WILLINGLY. AND THAT’S WHAT ROCK IS DOING. Roles are being played. And well. Rock's not being exposed. Cena's being highlighted. It's not an unscripted crapshoot with a guy (Rock), who if you screwed him over for real, you risk him saying, "f*** you," and finding a way out, thus ruining WrestleMania. What you're seeing is as real as Andre tearing the crucifix off of Hogan. It's eliciting a base reaction and building the story. It’s helping us believe. But don't kid yourselves in thinking it's not intended or planned. I'm starting to think there's a mental block on some people's part in seeing this truth. Like, they personally need to believe that Cena is really defeating Rock legit and showing him up, or that WWE is f***ing over The Rock, without him knowing. Both sides desperately want their version to be true, so it can validate their personal preferences and mark their particular generation as superior. It makes for a great dynamic come match time. But when discussing logic and reality? No. Cena, Rock and Vince are all happily working together. The end. Citizen Kane clapping gifs for you, my man. I'm of the opinion that for all the talk about Rock being sabotaged/not as good as he used to be and Cena being overpushed/stepping up and all that business, it will all be dust in the wind when that bell rings. The match will almost certainly be what most people will remember of the Cena/Rock feud more than the promos, but damn it we're having a lot of fun along the way being marks again.
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