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Post by Bub (BLM) on May 10, 2012 11:58:12 GMT -5
There's one guy on the roster who deserves that spot, and he's here to show the world, if you catch my drift.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2012 12:01:20 GMT -5
There's one guy on the roster who deserves that spot, and he's here to show the world, if you catch my drift. Yeah, honestly, Ziggler to me seems like he could be huge as a douchebag face. So it'll probably be Sheamus.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on May 10, 2012 12:02:52 GMT -5
Honestly, if they wanted to show that their developmental system, and that alone, is capable of making stars, they'd put Dolph Ziggler in a spot like that. To my knowledge, the dude is ENTIRELY a WWE product. He started his career in OVW, and from there, he's just been one of the best guys on the roster since dropping the Spirit Squad gimmick. Dude deserves a bump.
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Post by 543Y2J on May 10, 2012 12:06:19 GMT -5
I can see Ziggler in this role honestly.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on May 10, 2012 12:09:07 GMT -5
Shouldn't they have been trying to build the next Cena for the past five years instead of waiting until the guy's bordering on being an afterthought? Cena didn't debut until Austin/Rocks final career stretch and wasn't given a major push until after both had retired.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on May 10, 2012 12:09:18 GMT -5
As much as I like Ziggler, I just don't see him as the guy.
He seems more like a Chris Jericho to me than the face of a brand.
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Post by onestepplan on May 10, 2012 12:10:12 GMT -5
Oh, how I would love it to be Ziggler, but having been rooting for the guy for a couple years now and watching the way he's booked, I don't want to get my hopes too high on that score. It's gonna be Ryback. Not even kidding. I honestly wouldn't complain. I think Ryback's awesome. Very quick and agile for a big man, great set of moves, a killer lariat and he can be decent on the mic from what I remember. I wouldn't either. I think he's got the Goldberg appeal and physicality down very well and I'm a huge Goldberg mark, but they'll have to start booking their heels wayyyy stronger against everyone else if they want Ryback to blow up like Goldberg did in WCW.
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Post by ronin705 on May 10, 2012 12:11:36 GMT -5
Until the massive depush I would've been fully behind Drew Mac getting that push. Hes young, can have charisma given the chance, and can lunchpail(work) with the best of 'em.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2012 12:14:26 GMT -5
Shouldn't they have been trying to build the next Cena for the past five years instead of waiting until the guy's bordering on being an afterthought? Cena didn't debut until Austin/Rocks final career stretch and wasn't given a major push until after both had retired. True, but they set up Lesnar in the interim of that and seemed to be trying to cultivate Triple H for a similar position. It's just that it makes no sense to not bother trying to set up a new cash cow until the one you have's all but bled dry.
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Post by Arrow on May 10, 2012 12:17:16 GMT -5
I don't really see how exactly Vince can pick a next "top babyface" if the previous one is still around. There's no one who's going to get that spot if Cena's still occupying it.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 10, 2012 12:18:45 GMT -5
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Post by The Ichi on May 10, 2012 12:20:41 GMT -5
I don't think you can just decide who the next John Cena will be. Despite what Vince will tell you, nearly all his top stars were the result of lightning in a bottle.
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Post by The Doctor on May 10, 2012 12:21:21 GMT -5
CM Punk is absolutely awful for PR purposes and isn't that good of a ratings draw. No one boosts ratings these days, aside from the occasional returning superstar that the fans haven't seen in a while. People put way too much blame on Punk not being able to boost ratings, when not even Cena has been able to do it. Hell, Cena's been the focus of the show for months and the ratings are even down from last year. From what I can see Cena is at least able to consistently get good numbers when the segment-by-segment breakdown is released. Regardless of what he is doing more people watch that than anything else. CM Punk, so far, hasn't been doing the same thing. Of course, I take your point that the basic rating doesn't change dramatically at all but it seems John Cena is pretty much the only full-time guy that is in any sense a genuine draw. I think if John Cena was off the show for a long period of time you'd see a noticeable decline in ratings.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on May 10, 2012 12:23:37 GMT -5
Vince can "handpick" the guy he wants for that spot all he wants, but unless the fans take to him, it'll be all for naught.
There has to be something organic in play here like it was with everybody before.
Every single one of those guys mentioned (aside from Hogan) was an asshole heel prior to become the top face. The reason why they turned is because there was fan appetite for it.
The impetus for a guy being the top face must come from the audience and not the office.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on May 10, 2012 12:23:45 GMT -5
I don't really see how exactly Vince can pick a next "top babyface" if the previous one is still around. There's no one who's going to get that spot if Cena's still occupying it. That's true, but it's never too soon to start grooming that next guy. It took Cena how many years to go from "debuting on the main show" to main eventing a 'Mania? A good 3 years, give or take, right? If you start building a Richie Steamboat right now, you could have him ready to take that spot when the time comes, instead of just catapulting him up and expecting him to be ready.
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Post by Turd Ferguson on May 10, 2012 12:27:38 GMT -5
Darren Young could literally step in as John Cena without anyone needing to acknowledge that the original was gone.
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Post by Massive G on May 10, 2012 12:28:52 GMT -5
I don't think you can just decide who the next John Cena will be. Despite what Vince will tell you, nearly all his top stars were the result of lightning in a bottle. I'm inclined to agree with this. I'm also inclined to think that this is not really a new development; hasn't he probably been looking for "the next Cena" for years now? although the idea of Vince suddenly realizing that Cena had a birthday and yelling at people to get him the rosters of every wrestling organization in North America; followed by him picking a guy strictly based on a picture of him.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2012 12:32:05 GMT -5
It's probably not going to be anyone who's already in their 30's or already been on the roster for years and been typecast as a midcarder. Look at the most successful top babyfaces since Vince took over. Hogan came in from the AWA and was immediately the man. Austin got hot a few months after debuting and within a year was already the biggest star in wrestling. Rock took off huge less than 2 years after debuting. Cena by late 2003 (a little over a year after debuting) was probably already the most over person in the company.
Not that someone who's been around for more than a few years can't be a main event guy. Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels did it. But history shows that those ones won't be as successful as the guys who shoot to stardom straight away. Basically they'll be "superstars" and they'll hold down the fort until the next "megastar" arrives.
The real next top guy is more than likely someone who hasn't even debuted on TV yet.
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Post by molson5 on May 10, 2012 12:52:23 GMT -5
Vince can "handpick" the guy he wants for that spot all he wants, but unless the fans take to him, it'll be all for naught. There has to be something organic in play here like it was with everybody before. Every single one of those guys mentioned (aside from Hogan) was an asshole heel prior to become the top face. The reason why they turned is because there was fan appetite for it. The impetus for a guy being the top face must come from the audience and not the office. Ya, the whole theory is kind of contrived. There's probably been 20+ other guys who the company thought had some potential to maybe be the top face the company, the ones listed by the WO in the original post are just the ones that broke out of that group. It's not like a reign of Egyptian pharaohs, where one goes and the next hand-picked one takes over. It's more like if there was 10-15 other lesser politicians running around, and whoever gains the most popular favor and power might have a shot at that spot. There will always be top faces in the company. They'll vary on how successful they are, but people always freak out when top stars head out or get old, like that period of time they lost Hall, Nash, Hart, and others. That just gave opportunities for Rock, Austin, HHH. If Cena and Punk and Orton all quit tomorrow, new guys would take their place, and after some adjustment, we'd think of them as the top guys too.
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Post by mystikz on May 10, 2012 13:27:46 GMT -5
Seems like they tried to force Sheamus into the role, but it's not happening. He doesn't connect with the fans very well as a face, and hasn't really done anything of note.
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