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Post by The Ichi on Nov 5, 2011 21:20:43 GMT -5
....is everyone ignoring the Booker feud? Probably the one guy you could make a case for.
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Post by H-Virus on Nov 5, 2011 21:22:55 GMT -5
Just look at the differences between The Rock's feud with Jericho vs. HHH's feud with Jericho: Rock: lost to him at No Mercy 2001, beat him on Raw, got turned on by him at Survivor Series, lost to him at Vengence, lost to him at Royal Rumble Just want you to know I'm giggling immaturely right now.
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Post by trollrogue on Nov 5, 2011 21:22:57 GMT -5
If that's berrying, Cena's done much worse on the mic to every heel he's ever faced. He's actually told Miz to his face that he's not on the same level-- and then squashed him in a minute during a PPV match.
Rock made Hulk Hogan look like a threat in their WM matches, and jobbed to midcarders like the Hurricane CLEAN dispite being able to outdraw them exponentially... he's seriously on the bottom of any serious 'berriez' list behind clear offenders like 'never can beat me clean' SuperCena IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2011 21:24:05 GMT -5
The Rock did not berrie Booker-T.
It always goes back to it but booker got berried by HHH when he feuded and lost to him at WM19...it took a whole new gimmick and a heel turn to get booker back to legit main eventer status , what The Rock did was nothing different than what he usually does to any other superstar....hell Stephanie got it worse from The Rock numerous times and she was never worse for wear.
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Post by Cronant on Nov 5, 2011 21:25:02 GMT -5
Wasn't that the point with Cena/Miz, though, at least the 2009 feud?
He was supposed to knock Miz down to reality and thats when Miz changed his look and started to move up the card.
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Post by Red Impact on Nov 5, 2011 21:26:09 GMT -5
During the height of HHH's burying phase, there's probably no way someone like Shane Helms would have eliminated him in a battle royale or gotten an unanswered insult on him.
The Rock did all of his smack talk and got the crowd into it, yet at the end of the day he lost a lot of those matches. Even when the Rock was the focus of the show, he'd still have someone get one up on him. He didn't change results or complain when he had to lose a match, he just did it. Insulting someone on the mic, in the end, isn't burying them. A person is buried when they're flat out not shown to be in a guy's league. Having your tag team or stable taken out in a one-sided match by one guy is a burial. Having someone they're going to shove a microphone up your ass isn't.
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Post by Cronant on Nov 5, 2011 21:27:35 GMT -5
The Rock did not berrie Booker-T. It always goes back to it but booker got berried by HHH when he feuded and lost to him at WM19...it took a whole new gimmick and a heel turn to get booker back to legit main eventer status , what The Rock did was nothing different than what he usually does to any other superstar....hell Stephanie got it worse from The Rock numerous times and she was never worse for wear. Booker was one of the top heels at the beginning of the Invasion. Hell, other than the authority figures, he WAS the big heel until Austin turned. Then The Rock comes back and says "who the blue hell are you?", negating everything. Beats him twice on PPV, once in a handicap match, and Booker is never on that level for a while. It was so bad Sting pointed out that promo is a reason why he never went to WWE.
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Nov 5, 2011 21:36:00 GMT -5
But that's what main eventers do. They go hard on each other on the mic. If a superstar can't recover from one promo, they aren't ready for the main event. Then why is there so much anger when HHH does it? Hell, some even had a problem with him going back and forth with Punk. Well, the difference is that the Rock is a STAR, but Triple H is THE OFFICE to a point. His words carry a LOT more weight than The Rock as far as the McFamily goes, despite what Punk says. Triple H is pretty much the third most powerful person in the company, so, what he says/does to other wrestlers has a GREAT effect on their perceived potential. Using Booker T as an example, when the Rock buried Booker on the mike......Booker recovered pretty quickly, as Rock made him look like somewhat of a threat in the ring, for the most part. It didn't really hurt Booker's momentum long term. (Besides, pretty much anyone wearing WCW/ECW colors was buried during the CrapVasion....Booker got off kind of lucky in that regard) On the other hand, when Triple H buried Booker at WM 19, he STAYED buried in the mid card for a LONG time after that. Triple H buried Booker not only on the mike, not only in the ring, but he did it to The Office, which hurt Booker's chance as being seen as a Main Event guy until 2006/7.
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Post by Red Impact on Nov 5, 2011 21:36:14 GMT -5
The Rock did not berrie Booker-T. It always goes back to it but booker got berried by HHH when he feuded and lost to him at WM19...it took a whole new gimmick and a heel turn to get booker back to legit main eventer status , what The Rock did was nothing different than what he usually does to any other superstar....hell Stephanie got it worse from The Rock numerous times and she was never worse for wear. Booker was one of the top heels at the beginning of the Invasion. Hell, other than the authority figures, he WAS the big heel until Austin turned. Then The Rock comes back and says "who the blue hell are you?", negating everything. Beats him twice on PPV, once in a handicap match, and Booker is never on that level for a while. It was so bad Sting pointed out that promo is a reason why he never went to WWE. It wasn't "Who the blue hell are you?" that buried him, it was Vince's ego wanting to make WCW look like a joke from top to bottom. Rock talking smack to Booker wasn't anything out of the ordinary for him, it was part of his character. Whether Sting got his feelings hurt by that exchange isn't really all that relevant. The Rock got his ass kicked more than most Main Eventers.
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Post by The Ichi on Nov 5, 2011 21:38:29 GMT -5
Did anyone look good in the Alliance? The whole thing was WCW/ECW as told by Vince McMahon to show for one last time how much better his company was. The only non-WWE guy who came out looking good was probably RVD, and that was more because the fans took to him really well.
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Post by moneyman20 on Nov 5, 2011 21:40:37 GMT -5
Did anyone look good in the Alliance? The whole thing was WCW/ECW as told by Vince McMahon to show for one last time how much better his company was. The only non-WWE guy who came out looking good was probably RVD, and that was more because the fans took to him really well. The only alliance guys made to look good were those who defected from the WWF. Nobody that was originally WCW or ECW(aside from RVD) were made to look good. That's all on Vince. The whole angle was for Vince to show how big his you-know-what is and to embarrass the people who worked for the competition.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Nov 5, 2011 21:43:11 GMT -5
Booker was one of the top heels at the beginning of the Invasion. Hell, other than the authority figures, he WAS the big heel until Austin turned. Then The Rock comes back and says "who the blue hell are you?", negating everything. Beats him twice on PPV, once in a handicap match, and Booker is never on that level for a while. It was so bad Sting pointed out that promo is a reason why he never went to WWE. It wasn't "Who the blue hell are you?" that buried him, it was Vince's ego wanting to make WCW look like a joke from top to bottom. Rock talking smack to Booker wasn't anything out of the ordinary for him, it was part of his character. Whether Sting got his feelings hurt by that exchange isn't really all that relevant. The Rock got his ass kicked more than most Main Eventers. S'truth. Matter fact, the only people who didn't get buried during the Invasion were WWE originals who "defected" and Wilson and Keibler. Wasn't so much the Rock doing anything, so much as Vince refusing to let any WCW/ECW original make any headway.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2011 21:56:16 GMT -5
Catching myself up on his timeline.
After feuding with The Rock ..booker won the tag titles , feuded with stone cold and then turned face and formed bookdust.
Booker was anything but berried if anything The Rock feud helped him IMO , and Booker did get his revenge on The Rock by eliminating him from the battle royale that got him into the world title match at WM19.
So berried Booker-T was not.
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Post by trollrogue on Nov 5, 2011 22:08:56 GMT -5
Wasn't that the point with Cena/Miz, though, at least the 2009 feud? He was supposed to knock Miz down to reality and thats when Miz changed his look and started to move up the card. I honestly think that's more of a 'happy accident' cause everybody and their mothers were thinking that JoMo would go on to be the breakout singles star after The In Crowd split up. I saw Miz getting squashed as the beginning of his role as the new Stevie Richards on RAW-- and I think the crowd response to him during his first feud against Cena (he first started doing his 'Awwwesssome' shtick then and got people to sing along) impressed everyone. Miz got over in spite of his bad booking which is something people like Billy Gunn and others should've learned how to do when Rock was making them FamAss ;D during his timeless promos
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Nov 5, 2011 22:32:12 GMT -5
Probably for the same reason people don't talk about Steve Austin playing politics just as much as Hogan and the Kliq.
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Post by wrestling4ever on Nov 5, 2011 23:49:18 GMT -5
During the height of HHH's burying phase, there's probably no way someone like Shane Helms would have eliminated him in a battle royale or gotten an unanswered insult on him. The Rock did all of his smack talk and got the crowd into it, yet at the end of the day he lost a lot of those matches. Even when the Rock was the focus of the show, he'd still have someone get one up on him. He didn't change results or complain when he had to lose a match, he just did it. Insulting someone on the mic, in the end, isn't burying them. A person is buried when they're flat out not shown to be in a guy's league. Having your tag team or stable taken out in a one-sided match by one guy is a burial. Having someone they're going to shove a microphone up your ass isn't. This. Thats the one thing I always respected from The Rock.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 6, 2011 0:06:46 GMT -5
Tunnel vision and rosey retrospective.
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Post by moneyman20 on Nov 6, 2011 0:12:05 GMT -5
During the height of HHH's burying phase, there's probably no way someone like Shane Helms would have eliminated him in a battle royale or gotten an unanswered insult on him. The Rock did all of his smack talk and got the crowd into it, yet at the end of the day he lost a lot of those matches. Even when the Rock was the focus of the show, he'd still have someone get one up on him. He didn't change results or complain when he had to lose a match, he just did it. Insulting someone on the mic, in the end, isn't burying them. A person is buried when they're flat out not shown to be in a guy's league. Having your tag team or stable taken out in a one-sided match by one guy is a burial. Having someone they're going to shove a microphone up your ass isn't.
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Post by Stu on Nov 6, 2011 0:17:01 GMT -5
I think people these days are a lot more sensitive to "burials" than they were 10 years ago. People were nowhere near as anal about someone losing one match or getting insulted in a single promo.
And really, I think someone is only "buried" as much as people wants him to be. Daniel Bryan has been "buried" lately, as far as some people are concerned. Yet, I highly doubt they would be upset and say he doesn't deserve it if he were to win the World Championship at Wrestlemania.
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Post by kyromax on Nov 6, 2011 0:31:54 GMT -5
Rock would bury things about the person, but would never bury their ability.
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