BigWill
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Post by BigWill on Nov 6, 2011 10:48:41 GMT -5
Cenas been pinned clean by Justin Gabriel before When did this happen?
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Post by baerrtt on Nov 6, 2011 11:36:45 GMT -5
^ In a tag match. And for some reason I believe it's happened more than once.
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Post by Red Impact on Nov 6, 2011 11:37:39 GMT -5
I thought it was Heath Slater who pinned Cena?
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Post by Jimmy on Nov 6, 2011 11:40:00 GMT -5
Gabriel pinned Cena on a RAW in an elimination tag match after a 450 splash, it was probably August/September of last year.
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Post by baerrtt on Nov 6, 2011 11:41:10 GMT -5
There's a Yotube video which shows two match endings where he pins Cena.
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BigWill
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Post by BigWill on Nov 6, 2011 11:45:39 GMT -5
Oh, so from two tag matches with distractions. I would hardly call that being pinned clean.
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Post by Cronant on Nov 6, 2011 11:47:09 GMT -5
There was no distractions in one of them I'm sure.
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Post by baerrtt on Nov 6, 2011 11:47:52 GMT -5
Oh, so from two tag matches with distractions. I would hardly call that being pinned clean. The Rock rarely lost clean under similar circumstances either. And clean or not to Cena's credit I can't imagine say Austin or Hogan wanting to job to a Justin Gabriel under ANY scenario.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2011 11:48:26 GMT -5
Triple H obviously gets the lion's share of BERRYING hatred, but looking back at the Attitude Era, it sure seems as if the Rock did more than his fair share too. The two most prominent examples off the top of my head are Rikishi and Billy Gunn, both of whom were arguably on the cusp of main eventing before pretty much a single promo by the Rock in each case derailed that. You shouldn't have brought Rikishi up. Rikishi was NEVER going to be a proper main eventer. Like others have said, nobody bought his heel turn. And even if he could've gotten over that way, he still came to the ring with his ass hanging out, which was just a straight up cred killer. I like to think the only reason he was in the main event was to fill an extra slot when they needed it. So yeah...Rock had nothing to do with Kishi being sent back down the ladder. And I don't think fans ever took Billy Gunn that seriously even when he was getting pushed. I mean, think of all the stuff he did during and post-Attitude. Would you have accepted him and his tomfoolery as a Main Eventer?
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Post by bathory on Nov 6, 2011 11:51:13 GMT -5
I don't think Rock buried them, he owned them, big difference. A Burial is when you discredit someone for their skills, what Rock did was outwitting his opponents and tearing them a new one, however he never mentioned their lack of wrestling, mic skills (see Triple H), he bashed the guys in the context of their characters which is fair game, . If that lead to a burial, then it was their fault because how much of a maineventer can someone be if one single promo destroys all their momentum? And by looking at Rocks win/loss record, out of the guys who made it to the top, he put over more guys than anybody else, even guys below him who didn't even really need it.
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Post by baerrtt on Nov 6, 2011 11:54:10 GMT -5
I don't think Rock buried them, he owned them, big difference. A Burial is when you discredit someone for their skills, what Rock did was outwitting his opponents and tearing them a new one, however he never mentioned their lack of wrestling, mic skills (see Triple H), he bashed the guys in the context of their characters which is fair game, . If that lead to a burial, then it was their fault because how much of a maineventer can someone be if one single promo destroys all their momentum? And by looking at Rocks win/loss record, out of the guys who made it to the top, he put over more guys than anybody else, even guys below him who didn't even really need it. You need to see those Billy Gunn and Big Show promos again if you believe he just made fun of their characters.
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Post by BigWill on Nov 6, 2011 11:56:06 GMT -5
Ok so I managed to look up the matches where Gabriel pinned Cena "clean". One was in a 6 on 1 handicap match. The other was an elimination tag match that was pretty much a handicap match, where Gabriel hits the 450 right after Cena makes Otunga tap from the STF. So like I said, harldy clean pins.
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Post by Cronant on Nov 6, 2011 11:57:59 GMT -5
Thats still pretty clean for anyone with "Top Guy" status, especially when the other guy is a rookie.
I mean, he pinned them, no cheating involved. Cena and Rock are probably the few true top guys who would have done that.
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Post by jason1980s on Nov 6, 2011 12:01:44 GMT -5
I think with Rock it's more of the fact that he got himself over despite the bad gimmick and the making fun of opponents was part of his act. Triple H is looked at as someone who has benefitted from who he knows with the Kliq and then getting into the McMahon storyline. Rock certainly didn't benefit from being the first 3rd generation superstar, the blue chipper. It probably hurt him for the first several months. The Nation of Domination wasn't even a great association. D'lo and Godfather got over after the Nation but in the Nation, they went nowhere. Once Rock started with his catch phrases and electrifying personality he got over. Rock is a movie star, though I can't say if he's in any good movies or not as I haven't watched them, but considering he hasn't had to return to wrestling full time/continually after he makes movies he may be pretty good. Triple certainly isn't a movie star. For as great as the Rock was or has become he didn't use his greatness for backstage and in ring gain and he didn't use who his grandfather or father was to get over on opponents.
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Post by Rican on Nov 6, 2011 12:15:15 GMT -5
I don't think there is any one example of Rock's "burials" vs. Triple H's than The Rock putting over The Hurricane heading into Wrestlemania 19 and then Triple H beating Hurricane clean a few weeks after that....just because.
Also, EVERYONE from WCW got burried heading into the Invasion. If anything at least Booker got some competitive matches out of Rock, which is a hell of a lot more than what DDP got jobbing to Undertaker's wife. Booker was never going to be portrayed as being on The Rock's level, but it could have been a hell of a lot worse.
Also, I remember in 2003 when Rock was doing the Hollywood Rock character he wanted to put over Booker but changed his mind when he found out Triple H was going over at 'Mania, which is why The Hurricane match happened.
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Post by mauled on Nov 6, 2011 12:20:58 GMT -5
People bring up Booker is anything worse than Trips your kind dont make good champions speech then in the match were he waits 10 mins before laying an arm over the guy for the win!
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Post by molson5 on Nov 6, 2011 12:31:04 GMT -5
The internet was a lot less whiny back then. Everyone didn't pitch a fit every time a main eventer criticized anyone.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Nov 6, 2011 12:47:24 GMT -5
I would not call that berrying at all he just emphasised what everyone was pretty much thinking and told it like it is. Rikishis failed heel turn , gunns numerous tries to get over ..rockabilly? the one? etc , those are what berried those guys. I mean if The Rocks insults truly berried anyone with insults you may as well have brought up..the undertakers 33 pound head and micky mouse tatoos , or kurt angles pizza commercial , or rock singing la bamba to eddie guerrero. The Rock annihilated them with insults but berried is not something he did atleast intentionally...If someone like the coach can recover from being made to dance the charleston then The Rocks berrieing skills quite frankly sucked IMO. Let's not forget the Big Slow, and everyone taking a piss break when his music hits. Man, Rock was awesome with his insults, people can still remember them to this day. I'm gonna see if I can find some on youtube. Or Kurt Angle, who loved to drink his milk and take 3 viagra.
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Post by jadison on Nov 6, 2011 13:00:57 GMT -5
Honestly, its because Rock was fun and light-hearted about it, whereas Triple H was an over serious bore who refuses to let anyone look better than him. Rock made fun of EVERYONE, but in the match the other guy look liked a zillion bucks. I'm not a big fan of Rock OR Triple H, but Rock was far more giving than Mr. H's was.
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Post by AztecaDragon on Nov 6, 2011 14:49:55 GMT -5
There's a reason why a lot of people still talk about how wrong the result of Booker vs. Triple H at WM was. When Triple H started injecting racism into that feud by making fun of his hair, saying that all he was good for was "entertainment" and even tossing him a dollar to carry his damn bags, HE HAD TO LOSE TO BOOKER. That's just one of the things you have to do once the angle made that turn.
They could've wanted a money feud over the title between champion Triple H and Former President Abraham Lincoln. HHH had to take the fall at WM. Booker had to get vindication.
He didn't.
I would never use Booker as an example of someone The Rock buried even without any Triple H feud. It just looks horrid when we do have Booker's encounters with Triple H as a comparison. It took Booker to be moved to Smackdown and a change in his gimmick to bring him back.
Which, coincidentally, would've also been stopped dead in its tracks by feeding him to a returning Triple H. It really said something to me that Booker absolutely did not want to be fed to Triple H under any circumstances and even left the company over it. Did Booker ever complain about having to do the job to anyone else in the company?
Ugh. That WM match is still a sore spot.
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