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Post by eukaryote on Mar 15, 2012 11:47:07 GMT -5
You hate your generation because a couple of kids in Canada did something stupid? I have my reasons. I can only imagine that your reasons are based upon a few interactions you've had and you've extrapolated that to categorize everybody your age. While these idiots were putting together a house party, my 16 year old cousin was playing his first gig at a coffee house - he didn't drink, he didn't get into any trouble and he made a couple of bucks for himself. Again, for every teen that gets him or herself into trouble, there is one that does not. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 15, 2012 11:51:14 GMT -5
I feel like an old guy for saying this, but teenagers are f***ing stupid these days. It's not just this story that makes me think that. I literally haven't met one in the past 5 years or so that wasn't completely insufferable. I promise you people in our age group pulled inane stunts, too. And unlike these kids, they probably got some sort of punishment that had a permanent negative effect on their life. And they deserved it. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2012 11:52:40 GMT -5
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Post by eukaryote on Mar 15, 2012 11:56:52 GMT -5
Why are the parents "doubly" stupid for the actions of their teenagers? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2012 11:58:40 GMT -5
Why are the parents "doubly" stupid for the actions of their teenagers? For raising idiotic, irresponsible children. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 15, 2012 12:05:51 GMT -5
Why are the parents "doubly" stupid for the actions of their teenagers? For raising idiotic, irresponsible children. The problem is that parents just aren't allowed to make their children _afraid_ of them anymore. |
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Post by eukaryote on Mar 15, 2012 12:05:54 GMT -5
Why are the parents "doubly" stupid for the actions of their teenagers? For raising idiotic, irresponsible children. Except that good parents are just as likely to raise bad kids. You can be the most supportive, involved parent in the world and if your child associates him or herself with other kids who want to get into trouble, then they too are going to get into trouble. Good parenting =/= good children. |
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Post by eukaryote on Mar 15, 2012 12:06:19 GMT -5
For raising idiotic, irresponsible children. The problem is that parents just aren't allowed to make their children _afraid_ of them anymore. Why would you want your child to be afraid of you? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2012 12:08:44 GMT -5
For raising idiotic, irresponsible children. Except that good parents are just as likely to raise bad kids. You can be the most supportive, involved parent in the world and if your child associates him or herself with other kids who want to get into trouble, then they too are going to get into trouble. Good parenting =/= good children. You know I love to be seen agreeing with you, but good parenting = good children. That's kind of the definition of good parenting. Otherwise its just well-intentioned parenting. If your kids turn out hoodlums, it is because the parents did something wrong....barring extreme cases like psychological disorders or something. |
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Post by eukaryote on Mar 15, 2012 12:11:28 GMT -5
Except that good parents are just as likely to raise bad kids. You can be the most supportive, involved parent in the world and if your child associates him or herself with other kids who want to get into trouble, then they too are going to get into trouble. Good parenting =/= good children. You know I love to be seen agreeing with you, but good parenting = good children. That's kind of the definition of good parenting. Otherwise its just well-intentioned parenting. If your kids turn out hoodlums, it is because the parents did something wrong....barring extreme cases like psychological disorders or something. I'm sorry but your opinion does not equate to reality. You can do everything you can for your child but children are impressionable and naive and are susceptible to peer pressure. If they find themselves in a crowd of friends who want to drink and who want to get into trouble, then that child may be likely to find themselves in trouble too, lest they be ostracized from the group. There are plenty of terrible parents who manage to raise wonderful children, so it definitely is not as black & white as you'd have us believe. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2012 12:12:00 GMT -5
The problem is that parents just aren't allowed to make their children _afraid_ of them anymore. Why would you want your child to be afraid of you? They really shouldn't be. But they should have an immense amount of respect and deference to their opinions, which might be mistaken for fear. |
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Post by eukaryote on Mar 15, 2012 12:12:58 GMT -5
Why would you want your child to be afraid of you? They really shouldn't be. But they should have an immense amount of respect and deference to their opinions, which might be mistaken for fear. Children can respect their parents without fearing them. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2012 12:13:49 GMT -5
You know I love to be seen agreeing with you, but good parenting = good children. That's kind of the definition of good parenting. Otherwise its just well-intentioned parenting. If your kids turn out hoodlums, it is because the parents did something wrong....barring extreme cases like psychological disorders or something. I'm sorry but your opinion does not equate to reality. You can do everything you can for your child but children are impressionable and naive and are susceptible to peer pressure. If they find themselves in a crowd of friends who want to drink and who want to get into trouble, then that child may be likely to find themselves in trouble too, lest they be ostracized from the group. There are plenty of terrible parents who manage to raise wonderful children, so it definitely is not as black & white as you'd have us believe. Yeah, still sounds like bad parenting to me. You can teach your children to not be easily influenced by your peers. It's possible and its done all the time by good parents. Sure kids may make a few precocious mistakes here and there, but on the whole competent parenting will win out. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2012 12:15:21 GMT -5
They really shouldn't be. But they should have an immense amount of respect and deference to their opinions, which might be mistaken for fear. Children can respect their parents without fearing them. That's what I said. It would be mistaken for fear...by others. |
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Post by eukaryote on Mar 15, 2012 12:17:14 GMT -5
I'm sorry but your opinion does not equate to reality. You can do everything you can for your child but children are impressionable and naive and are susceptible to peer pressure. If they find themselves in a crowd of friends who want to drink and who want to get into trouble, then that child may be likely to find themselves in trouble too, lest they be ostracized from the group. There are plenty of terrible parents who manage to raise wonderful children, so it definitely is not as black & white as you'd have us believe. Yeah, still sounds like bad parenting to me. You can teach your children to not be easily influenced by your peers. It's possible and its done all the time by good parents. Sure kids may make a few precocious mistakes here and there, but on the whole competent parenting will win out. It's, obviously, easier said than done. It's a nice message to tell kids to "say no" to peer pressure but when it actually comes to a scenario in which they are facing peer pressure, how many kids are actually going to say "no" to their friends? Some might but I daresay the majority won't. Again, you can coddle your child, care for your child, support your child as much you as can but you cannot control every aspect of their lives. Sometimes good parents have bad kids; sometimes bad parents have good kids. Blaming it on the parents is a knee-jerk reaction and is not founded in reason. |
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Post by eukaryote on Mar 15, 2012 12:17:50 GMT -5
Children can respect their parents without fearing them. That's what I said. It would be mistaken for fear...by others. I wouldn't mistake respect for fear, unless it was in the military. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2012 12:21:21 GMT -5
That's what I said. It would be mistaken for fear...by others. I wouldn't mistake respect for fear, unless it was in the military. Wasn't talking about you man. By others, not you, by others, a well-disciplined child could be mistaken for fearing their parents. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2012 12:24:14 GMT -5
Yeah, still sounds like bad parenting to me. You can teach your children to not be easily influenced by your peers. It's possible and its done all the time by good parents. Sure kids may make a few precocious mistakes here and there, but on the whole competent parenting will win out. It's, obviously, easier said than done. It's a nice message to tell kids to "say no" to peer pressure but when it actually comes to a scenario in which they are facing peer pressure, how many kids are actually going to say "no" to their friends? Some might but I daresay the majority won't. Again, you can coddle your child, care for your child, support your child as much you as can but you cannot control every aspect of their lives. Sometimes good parents have bad kids; sometimes bad parents have good kids. Blaming it on the parents is a knee-jerk reaction and is not founded in reason. There's nothing knee-jerk about it. It is simple logic to me. Now this is a very reductive analogy, but stick with me. If you think you're a master cobbler and you produce a pair of crappy shoes, you're not a master cobbler. The results dictate the label. The results here are irresponsible, idiotic children, so that means the parenting was not sufficient. |
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Post by eukaryote on Mar 15, 2012 12:25:00 GMT -5
I wouldn't mistake respect for fear, unless it was in the military. Wasn't talking about you man. By others, not you, by others, a well-disciplined child could be mistaken for fearing their parents. Really? That would be really strange. I wouldn't presume fear, though maybe I'm naive in that respect. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2012 12:27:04 GMT -5
Wasn't talking about you man. By others, not you, by others, a well-disciplined child could be mistaken for fearing their parents. Really? That would be really strange. I wouldn't presume fear, though maybe I'm naive in that respect. Well, yeah, for you - if you're used to seeing well-discplined children then of course you wouldn't mistake it for fear. But if someone had only encountered poorly raised children, they might see it as fear, as it is out of the norm for them. |
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