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When the game started, I initially was upset that I was in mafia, I don't have near as much fun as mafia as I do as town. I was then not real happy about being a "lover" as my fate was intertwined also M's fate. So even if I play a good game, one slip up by him and I'm gone... and vice versa. But when I realized he wasn't in with the mafia, my interest was somewhat peaked. I could use that connection to help make me appear town when I was not, and I'm not going to lie... the idea of double winning a game was awesome.
Now, if you look at the QT, it states that we could not talk about our roles in the game... which I never did. But I was intially suspecting that M was going to be in a different 3rd party role. I even tried to hint at the posibility to him in post 4 of the QT... but he didn't pick up on it, so I figured then that he must just be a townie.
Starting on day 3, I had to start establishing that connection to help prevent a lynch on him. I felt pretty good after peg gave his "vote of confidence" in me, followed by gus dropping me from his suspect list. Not to mention Spartan's hidden message to follow my lead.
I was so close to double winning this game.
I knew that it could only be a powerrole to do me in, and I was right. I was afraid of the poisoner for the majority of the game, as you will be able to see in the QT.
=== Comments for some people in the game.
Cageking - I didn't like that he took himself out of the game instead of being replaced...especially without talking with the other members of the mafia first. We were already "behind" before we even really got started.
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Spartan v1 - I actually tried to keep you in this game during the first night phase, but it wasn't to be. Would have been interesting to see how the sensor played out.
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Spartan v2 - I believe I had a major misread of what the poisoner could do. And I initially thought you had assumed that role from hayden. I was wrong. Its too bad I got killed when I did, cause I was ready to ride out your confidence(i deciphered your message during ensuing the night phase) in me to a mafia/lovers double win. You had well thought out ideas. Even when you miscued, you were ready to listen to what others said and ended up giving you a solid grasp of the whole situation.
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Notorious - Game aside - I hope everything is ok - you've not posted anywhere on this board since mid september. (UPDATE: Notorious has posted since I initially wrote this up. Good to see everything is ok)
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Jono - You never answered me in game. Why a plan to "try to get lynched" then try to stop it right as its about to be successful?
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Lodi - was a bad move revealing you had a power role. Its even worse that you gave up such a powerful one. You became priority #1 when you did that. And it didn't gain you anything. You didn't answer me earlier... why target bergman when he was a confirmed town?
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Joker - Town cop in both batman and true blood? What are the odds? Even though it was more subtle, you did give yourself away. I didn't want to be blatant that I knew, cause I was afraid of what you knew and could reveal if your role was made public to all(like you did in batman mafia). You had 6 nights of investigations that you could have flushed out and completely changed the game. So I didn't want to spook you. I did believe you investigated mason, and why I voted alongside you.
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J - I was shocked to see the serial killer go down so quickly. Bad break.
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Mason - We had you or magiconz down as the poisoner by the end on night 6. But lodi was considered (at the time) the more immediate threat. Wouldn't have mattered either way for me(unless you somehow did a daytime poisoning), the outcome would have still been the same. And we would deal with you the next night, luckily the lynch went your way and we didn't have to choose between you and joker on night 7. Many may not admit this... but your poisoning of me was the tide turner in this game.
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M - Sucks that you lost interest in this game. But in the end, the only thing that was lost was one more day phase for you before you offed yourself the following night.
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Sharpshooter/B/waffle - good communication at night. Flushed out plans and we stuck to them. We each played a little differently and didn't ignore/defend each other too much, which kept the townfolk off balanced. The town couldn't get it together, and it took a timely power role and us doing ourselves in to turn the tide(not sure gus would have made it back on in time to change his vote on day 8.)
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Daime/Latino - I think that we used your abilities well. I don't feel at all bad that we burned through them at the pace we did. It did save you from a kill. The above goes for both of you as well. I do wish you had tried to go the "the reason we are still going is not cause there is more mafia, but becuase there is still a 3rd party in play" route at the end. Not sure if the writeups contradicted this, but would have been worth a shot.
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Gus -- First, I loved how into this game you were. And I wish everyone had the activity you did.
That said, we(mafia) knew you had a major powerrole, but you were doing a better job of keeping the town unfocused than we were. I even tried to say "enough is enough" and have you night killed, but was outvoted cause they believed you would still help our cause. Turns out they were somewhat right, but it turned out to be their undoing.
And you've been saying it all game about how you'll tell everyone how you were right if you did indeed have mafia in your list, but consider the following.
Day 1 suspicions(
M) - omgus, you can say no, but your whole arguement was based on the fact he voted you.
Day 2 Suspicions (
M,
Latino Meat v1,
Pegasus,
ritt)
Day 3 "for sure" mafia (
Doulble h,
M,
SNS,
Ritt,
Pegasus,
spartan) -- also with town reads:
officialfan.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=forumgames&thread=442405&post=8921929 Town Reads(
Brad,
Daime,
Jono,
J)
Day 4 "for sure" mafia (
Ritt,
M,
Jono,
Bergman v1)
Day 5 Suspicions (
Jono,
Bergman v1,
Lodi,
Notorious)
Day 6 suspicions (
Jono,
sharpshooter)
Day 7 "for sure" mafia (
M,
Magiconz,
Sharpshooter,
Spartan v2,
SNS) --- BTW, That would be 5 Mafia with only 9 remaining post lynch if you were right.
You didn't have a single mafia on your lists til day 3(a day when you had more scum in your town list than you did your suspect list) and then immediately took him off the next day. It wasn't until day 6 that you finally got another mafia member on your list.
You chose 12 different people to suspect. With 8 of the 26 people in the game being non-town(30%), you would have done better throwing everyone's name in a hat and drawing 12 names out at random. So actually getting two mafia right in your entire list wasn't some great accomplishment.
I even tried to help you, but you were in full blinders mode. If anyone disagreed with you, they were mafia. So the most of the mafia just sat back and left you alone, even against my suggestion that it was time to get rid of you.
I don't say this just to go "ha ha, you were wrong!", but to help you grow as a mafia player. You got your mind wrapped around an idea and would never deter from it. You were 100% convinced in your theary with no room for reconsideration. In other words... Its GOOD that you were thinking like that(wish more would do this)... it was BAD that you set it in stone.
All mafia players need to know humility and be able to accept when they might have made a mistake(see: spartan). Not doing so helps the mafia more than the town. I'm really bad at picking out mafia, but can present a convincing case. You can see in some of the most recent games where I went in guns blazing and had to back off when I realized I was(or even just "might have been") wrong... if I hadn't, we might have lynched town power roles.
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All Town - you have to lynch more often. The town got into a LYLO situation before it began to turn things around. If you had, you would have had worlds of information to use during the middle of the game instead of having to wait til the end. Not having a mafia lynch to reference really screwed you guys in the middle day rounds. If not for some fortunate late game power role hits, this game would have been over on day 8 with four of us remaining. Anyone not voting cause they are afraid of backlash are playing more to survive in the game longer than they are to win it.
-- This part will be hard for anyone to take seriously...since, ya know, the town won. But it was more to do with the power roles than the town coming together. Your first three lynches were on Day 1, Day 3 and Day 7.. all with the help of mafia. It was day 8(!!) before you were able to lynch a mafia member. Town was very fortunate to win this one.