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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2013 18:38:39 GMT -5
They're a bunch of dumb college kids having their drunk orgy. Racism or not, I think they should all get kicked out of the school. Where did it say drunk orgy? They're drunk, one of the guys is making out with some chick while he's wearing a diaper. There's a ton of people there in the first picture. Booze + sex + big crowd + unfulfilled dumb people = If you really want to be technical, it's not really like a Roman orgy. More like a Greek symposium except...less gay.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 7, 2013 18:44:34 GMT -5
It's blatantly racist: that's not even a question for discussion. If one wants to argue that it's racism that doesn't involve physical harm or discrimination, then fine, and if one wants to say it's racism-via-stupidty instead of racism-via-hatred, then fine; but by all scholarly and practical research and definitions, it is crystal clear racism.
The concept that "racism" is chiefly defined by physical harm or overt discrimination is an unfortunate construction of a thankfully post-Jim Crow America that would have us believe that all racism or misogyny is dead and buried: that the election of a black president means that there are no barriers left, or that Asians/Indians/Jews/etc. should just accept somebody's humor or opinions because "everybody's in on the joke now."
I do believe there are times when some individuals or organized groups come off as "too sensitive": I readily admit that I am an Opie and Anthony listener, and I often agree with Jim Norton's arguments that it isn't a comedian's place to speak to grave social ills or censor what they say in the pursuit of comedy. In other words, I dislike when groups, even groups I side with on literally every other issue, focus on comedians who say something offensive.
However, a fraternity isn't an independently working comedian. A fraternity is expected to exist within the bylaws and confines of an organized institution, a university/college, and should a fraternity act in a racist manner, it is a reflection on the institution which allows it to exist or allows it to behave in such a way (as we see, the school did take action), an institution that admits and welcomes students all along the spectrum of ethnicities.
Plus, it simply isn't a white person's place to tell a minority in America when they have "the right to be offended". While groups such as Germans, Irish, Italians, etc., have faced racism in America's immigrant history, those groups achieved "whiteness" with great rapidity vis a vis Asians, Indians, African Americans, etc., and in doing so had positive aspects of their cultures enshrined in American life (e.g. Irish policemen marching on St. Patrick's Day, Italian business leaders hosting Columbus Day events). Most of these other much more easily racialized groups still lead lives where much of their existence is defined by their ethnicity and ethnic appearance, and wherein their cultures are not yet considered fully integrated parts of the fabric of American culture.
Racism is not dependent on actual violence or discrimination to exist, and ignoring the reality of racism throughout American history beyond Jim Crow or other racially charged laws/business practices is to ignore the life of minority groups within this society. Embracing all stereotypes, even seemingly benign ones, does little to advance any group, and society doing so on a widespread basis reifies racial tendencies that have tangible effects on people's lives.
In other words: please do some research beyond anecdotes and "but I personally think this" before addressing as historical and as heavy an issue of racism, particularly in a nation with a history that includes legal slavery, immigrant quotas, and widespread discriminatory practices (not just laws). Then realize the position of privilege you most likely come from when these issues are brought up by those who lack those privileges.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2013 18:46:54 GMT -5
Haha, this same Fraternity disbanded themselves rather than face punishment from Duke U for alcohol policy violations and financial errors.
True Greek pride at work there.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 7, 2013 19:56:27 GMT -5
Wasn't this frat one that JUST got (re?) accepted to Duke, too? If so, that had to be one of the shortest lifespans of a Greek organization on a campus, well, ever.
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