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Post by Unaffiliated on Feb 6, 2013 22:13:41 GMT -5
news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/duke-racist-rager-141248540.htmlI really don't get why a fuss has to be made anytime some event is held or something is said regarding any non-white race. To me, it is only racism when there is malicious intent in words or actions against a certain race, or when it's making negative assumptions about a particular person solely because of race. In any "is this offensive" question, there is always a "Just because it doesn't offend you, doesn't mean it doesn't offend anyone" answer. While that is true, where is the line drawn between what is and is not acceptable? These days, it seems every single thing causes offense to at least one person in this world. Does that mean nothing should be allowed anymore?
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Post by Starshine on Feb 6, 2013 22:19:11 GMT -5
The "Engrish" part of the email is in bad taste.
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Feb 6, 2013 22:29:38 GMT -5
I am offended.....
Not by the "Engrish" but more by the fact that I live in NC.....and this makes my home state look worse than usual.
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Post by Toxik916 on Feb 6, 2013 22:32:30 GMT -5
Man this was just a theme party. People just look for shit to offend them now days.
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Post by Sektor on Feb 6, 2013 22:35:40 GMT -5
Well, since Asian isn't a specific nationality, I don't understand how this is racist. Unless they were harassing exchange students or spouting hate-speech. Stereotypes can be fun, and I'm not seeing anything other than a ridiculous theme party here.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Feb 6, 2013 22:36:43 GMT -5
Not racist, just poor judgement.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 6, 2013 22:53:28 GMT -5
Very.
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Post by chazraps on Feb 6, 2013 23:08:48 GMT -5
No, it's pretty racist. If you're appropriating a culture for the sole purpose of laughing at stereotypes that are completely foreign to your experience, it's racist.
Look at the invite. From day one the point of the party was "Let's get drunk and laugh at Asians." The malicious intent is that it's incredibly dehumanizing to multiple races of people and trivializes their cultures as a whole.
If Asian students were throwing the party, that would be one thing. But I don't see how this wouldn't be considered racist. How would you feel if you were an Asian on that campus?
This party was the Asian equivalent of the "ghetto parties" that were popular on campuses around 2007 where white frat idiots would paint their faces black and engage in black stereotypes.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 6, 2013 23:09:48 GMT -5
...Yeah, that's pretty freakin' racist.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Feb 6, 2013 23:12:41 GMT -5
How would you feel if you were an Asian on that campus? Like I had a definite advantage in the costume contest!
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Post by Dat Dude on Feb 6, 2013 23:13:08 GMT -5
If you have to ask, it probably is.
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Post by Orange on Feb 6, 2013 23:15:39 GMT -5
...yep, that appears to be racist. The engrish e-mail should be enough to classify it as such.
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Post by Unaffiliated on Feb 6, 2013 23:18:30 GMT -5
How would you feel if you were an Asian on that campus? I am Asian, and not from America. I feel that if it was just for fun, it's alright. It's not alright if they really harbored feelings of hatred towards Asians and making the party be about mocking Asian inferiority. And if that were the case, protesting about the party won't do anything to change their racist attitudes.
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Post by chazraps on Feb 6, 2013 23:20:32 GMT -5
How would you feel if you were an Asian on that campus? I am Asian, and not from America. I feel that if it was just for fun, it's alright. It's not alright if they really harbored feelings of hatred towards Asians and making the party be about mocking Asian inferiority. And if that were the case, protesting about the party won't do anything to change their racist attitudes. You don't think the party looks pretty clearly like they're mocking Asian inferiority? And don't you think protesting and consequences will at least make sure nothing like that happens on campus again? You do know this is just the latest incarnation of a pretty overtly racist series of campus parties, right?
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Feb 6, 2013 23:22:07 GMT -5
I guess when all your core needs are met and previous generations did the grunt work for combating actual racism, sexism and all the other -isms that resulted in actual death and legal discrimination, you gotta start speaking in hyperbole over shit that doesn't actually matter...like theme parties with purposely over-the-top themes.
Poor taste? Ridiculous? Sure, that could be argued, and I'd agree with you. But to cause a big stink over it in 2013 and pretend it's some big epidemic is preposterous.
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Post by chazraps on Feb 6, 2013 23:26:37 GMT -5
How does something like overt public racism in the form of a racial-stereotypes party thrown entirely by whites not matter? Are you not familiar with what the gesture of costumed race-mockery has meant in America? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2013 23:32:32 GMT -5
I guess when all your core needs are met and previous generations did the grunt work for combating actual racism, sexism and all the other -isms that resulted in actual death and legal discrimination, you gotta start speaking in hyperbole over s*** that doesn't actually matter...like theme parties with purposely over-the-top themes. Well, for one thing, I don't think you need to have your core needs to be completely met to be offended by the party. I'm sure there are many lower to middle class people that think the party is disgusting. I also think that the people who did the grunt work would find parties like this to be a sad reminder of the very things they fought hard against. I'm half asian and I don't particularly care about the party. I think it's sad but it's not directly effecting my life. Still, it does make me shake my head. It doesn't destroy my faith in mankind and I'm not calling for the heads of anybody. I think you have the right to throw parties like this since you aren't directly hurting anyone but I think I reserve the right to think "f*** you, you bunch of racists."
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Post by Unaffiliated on Feb 6, 2013 23:32:56 GMT -5
I am Asian, and not from America. I feel that if it was just for fun, it's alright. It's not alright if they really harbored feelings of hatred towards Asians and making the party be about mocking Asian inferiority. And if that were the case, protesting about the party won't do anything to change their racist attitudes. You don't think the party looks pretty clearly like they're mocking Asian inferiority? And don't you think protesting and consequences will at least make sure nothing like that happens on campus again? You do know this is just the latest incarnation of a pretty overtly racist series of campus parties, right? I'll go back to what I said about malicious intent. In this case, I don't sense it. It seemed more like "that's so stereotypically Asian" and less of "these stupid Asians can't speak English properly". About the protest against the party... if racism is the issue, then the real problem is that there are racist people on campus. Preventing them from holding the party will not make them not racist, and so the problem is not solved.
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Post by Dat Dude on Feb 6, 2013 23:58:13 GMT -5
You don't think the party looks pretty clearly like they're mocking Asian inferiority? And don't you think protesting and consequences will at least make sure nothing like that happens on campus again? You do know this is just the latest incarnation of a pretty overtly racist series of campus parties, right? I'll go back to what I said about malicious intent. In this case, I don't sense it. It seemed more like "that's so stereotypically Asian" and less of "these stupid Asians can't speak English properly". Preventing them from holding the party will not make them not racist, and so the problem is not solved. That's not the point. It's a matter of folks standing up for themselves and letting the offending party know that they're not going to take such behavior lying down. I don't think any one of them feel that protesting will show people the error of their ways and stop racism. It's more or less... but I think I reserve the right to think "f*** you, you bunch of racists."
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Post by chazraps on Feb 7, 2013 0:14:45 GMT -5
You don't think the party looks pretty clearly like they're mocking Asian inferiority? And don't you think protesting and consequences will at least make sure nothing like that happens on campus again? You do know this is just the latest incarnation of a pretty overtly racist series of campus parties, right? I'll go back to what I said about malicious intent. In this case, I don't sense it. It seemed more like "that's so stereotypically Asian" and less of "these stupid Asians can't speak English properly". About the protest against the party... if racism is the issue, then the real problem is that there are racist people on campus. Preventing them from holding the party will not make them not racist, and so the problem is not solved. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt because you're admittedly not from America, but there is a very specific history here about what emulating another race's stereotypes means in this country that you should read up on to understand why such a party is incredibly racist. Also, what Rehab said.
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