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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2013 23:02:26 GMT -5
Just saw this match and yeah, it was stupendous! A MOTY candidate for sure.
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Post by Clawley Race on Feb 27, 2013 0:07:20 GMT -5
I just don't think it'd even be possible to top MITB.
Michael Cole also did his best to suck me out of the match when he proclaimed that Cena countered into the STF when he had Punk in a crossface.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2013 0:36:54 GMT -5
See that is gratifying yet annoying at the same time. They have an incredibly talented roster (both main and developmental), huge potential everywhere, 3 hours on prime time and a wide and varied audience all willing to accept a median between in ring work and story. We should be getting those kind of matches every f***ing week, that make the show feel fresh and exciting. There is no excuse for there not to be with reliable in ring performers and characters with Punk, Cena, Jericho, Del Rio, Bryan etc, as well as rising stars in Cesaro, Sandow, Ziggler etc. Ok they should be proud, as well with Cena and Punk, they have realized (if only for one week) that all their audience likes wrestling (the ratings were up). They have now posted the full match (something they never do) on YT and hailed it themselves as an instant classic. With that list of talent above (and many more) this should be happening every week, WM season or not. It's like they know their a wrestling company for a small amount of time, then forget or don't want to embrace it just after they realize what they just said. With that roster, and some talented writers and decent booking decisions they occasionally do (yeah I said it!) there is no excuse for this current time period not to have the best in ring work ever, and have the hottest crowds. I will let themselves off on this, pat yourselves on the back WWE. But as I have already stated, there is absolutely no reason why that should be not happening every single week, on every Raw, SD, ME, SMS and PPV. I look forward to the HHH era because he has made some great signings and seems to have his head screwed on right (a bit more than Vince anyway), and truly is a student and appreciates the game (no pun intended). Hopefully he will completely drive this era into the ringwork era (while still having characters) when he fully takes over in a few years time. I just pray that no matter what Punk does at Mania this year, that they make the most out of him, whether he is facing Taker or not. He deserves to more than hold his own against Taker in the match, and hopefully it will be up there with the Edge, Batista, Orton, HBK matches. Erm..yeah sorry that was kind of rant like, didn't mean for it to be. But it was meant in a positive light and say they should be doing more of this. I am still debating whether it is a full ***** star or, it's definitely close if not. Honestly, if it happened every week it'd really damage the programming in my opinion. Why pay extra money for the PPV if you can see an amazing high stakes match every Monday facing the top guys? Not to say I'm complaining about seeing great matches, but did we really need to see this on a random Raw? Did we need to see that incredibly brutal Punk/Ryback TLC on a new years Raw? Did we need to see Cena/Ziggler cage match on a throwaway Raw? All of those matches could have been close to Match of the Night on any card, and I'm very glad they happened, I just feel the non-storyline special moments should be saved for PPVs. Same with championships being defended solely on PPVs.
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Post by FunkerCM on Feb 27, 2013 4:03:47 GMT -5
This was the greatest non-gimmick, one on one televised match of all time.
Can't praise them both highly enough. Undoubtedly a giant message to Vince and The Rock as to who should be main eventing.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Feb 27, 2013 4:05:42 GMT -5
See that is gratifying yet annoying at the same time. They have an incredibly talented roster (both main and developmental), huge potential everywhere, 3 hours on prime time and a wide and varied audience all willing to accept a median between in ring work and story. We should be getting those kind of matches every f***ing week, that make the show feel fresh and exciting. There is no excuse for there not to be with reliable in ring performers and characters with Punk, Cena, Jericho, Del Rio, Bryan etc, as well as rising stars in Cesaro, Sandow, Ziggler etc. Ok they should be proud, as well with Cena and Punk, they have realized (if only for one week) that all their audience likes wrestling (the ratings were up). They have now posted the full match (something they never do) on YT and hailed it themselves as an instant classic. With that list of talent above (and many more) this should be happening every week, WM season or not. It's like they know their a wrestling company for a small amount of time, then forget or don't want to embrace it just after they realize what they just said. With that roster, and some talented writers and decent booking decisions they occasionally do (yeah I said it!) there is no excuse for this current time period not to have the best in ring work ever, and have the hottest crowds. I will let themselves off on this, pat yourselves on the back WWE. But as I have already stated, there is absolutely no reason why that should be not happening every single week, on every Raw, SD, ME, SMS and PPV. I look forward to the HHH era because he has made some great signings and seems to have his head screwed on right (a bit more than Vince anyway), and truly is a student and appreciates the game (no pun intended). Hopefully he will completely drive this era into the ringwork era (while still having characters) when he fully takes over in a few years time. I just pray that no matter what Punk does at Mania this year, that they make the most out of him, whether he is facing Taker or not. He deserves to more than hold his own against Taker in the match, and hopefully it will be up there with the Edge, Batista, Orton, HBK matches. Erm..yeah sorry that was kind of rant like, didn't mean for it to be. But it was meant in a positive light and say they should be doing more of this. I am still debating whether it is a full ***** star or, it's definitely close if not. Honestly, if it happened every week it'd really damage the programming in my opinion. Why pay extra money for the PPV if you can see an amazing high stakes match every Monday facing the top guys? Not to say I'm complaining about seeing great matches, but did we really need to see this on a random Raw? Did we need to see that incredibly brutal Punk/Ryback TLC on a new years Raw? Did we need to see Cena/Ziggler cage match on a throwaway Raw? All of those matches could have been close to Match of the Night on any card, and I'm very glad they happened, I just feel the non-storyline special moments should be saved for PPVs. Same with championships being defended solely on PPVs. All wrestlers from the top to the bottom of the card should be putting on solid matches like this no matter how long or short.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2013 5:19:59 GMT -5
Honestly, if it happened every week it'd really damage the programming in my opinion. Why pay extra money for the PPV if you can see an amazing high stakes match every Monday facing the top guys? Not to say I'm complaining about seeing great matches, but did we really need to see this on a random Raw? Did we need to see that incredibly brutal Punk/Ryback TLC on a new years Raw? Did we need to see Cena/Ziggler cage match on a throwaway Raw? All of those matches could have been close to Match of the Night on any card, and I'm very glad they happened, I just feel the non-storyline special moments should be saved for PPVs. Same with championships being defended solely on PPVs. All wrestlers from the top to the bottom of the card should be putting on solid matches like this no matter how long or short. ROH honestly suffered through this a horrible amount in the late 2000s. Making every match a possible WOW match of the year on free TV and PPVs will make them meld together. I mean every so often a fantastic TV match is great (Punk/Cena from two nights ago, Jericho/Bryan from a week ago etc) is okay I suppose, but asking for a classic every night, I honestly think when the WWE put their minds to it the PPVs which look the best are the ones with 3+ GREAT matches. Obvious recent example being Extreme Rules 2012 or TLC 2012. And the Raws that are remembered the best tend to have a few good matches but the memorable storyline progressions. Obvious example being the night of Yes after Wrestlemania 28. I'm not saying Raws have to be starved of wrestling or be boring, but I'd be more willing to pay to see insane spots (piledriver) on PPV, and limit ALL main eventers from wrestling on free TV except for special occasions (TLC title match between Punk/Ryback on the new year Raw). I mean, it's just my opinion of course but making you realise you'll see the new stuff on PPV and the smooth & well thought out storyline processes in between midcard title matches and tag bouts would be better to me for WWE. Like, the match was great, but as the mate I was watching it with said "Why am I going to pay for 'Mania if this much better match is on now for free?"
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Post by mrjl on Feb 27, 2013 8:03:30 GMT -5
Honestly, if it happened every week it'd really damage the programming in my opinion. Why pay extra money for the PPV if you can see an amazing high stakes match every Monday facing the top guys? Not to say I'm complaining about seeing great matches, but did we really need to see this on a random Raw? Did we need to see that incredibly brutal Punk/Ryback TLC on a new years Raw? Did we need to see Cena/Ziggler cage match on a throwaway Raw? All of those matches could have been close to Match of the Night on any card, and I'm very glad they happened, I just feel the non-storyline special moments should be saved for PPVs. Same with championships being defended solely on PPVs. All wrestlers from the top to the bottom of the card should be putting on solid matches like this no matter how long or short. people have been calling this a MoTY candidate. There's a difference between solid matches and MoTY candidates.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2013 8:54:19 GMT -5
All wrestlers from the top to the bottom of the card should be putting on solid matches like this no matter how long or short. people have been calling this a MoTY candidate. There's a difference between solid matches and MoTY candidates. It's only a MOTY candidate because there has been little to no actual wrestling going on. I think the problem with the "have great matches on TV for free" is that it actually is acceptable with certain wrestlers but can be damaging with others. John Cena and CM Punk for example are main eventers. They headline your shows, and they're the ones who really draw the fans and sell PPVs. If fans know that they'll wrestle great matches for free, why buy a PPV when you can just tune in? It would drive ratings up and drive buys down. With main eventers, this extends beyond just wrestling. Simply by appearing every week, they hurt their drawing power in terms of ratings, because no show (TV or PPV) is can't-miss. If Cena wrestles only once, twice a month, that's going to make his matches attract that much more attention. Instead of having the useless tag and 2 minute DQ main events with these guys, either have them not wrestle on TV at all or wrestle very sparingly when they're the champions or the top contenders. On the flip side, you have the mid carders. As WCW demonstrated, having a mid-card that works good matches even with little to no storyline and is willing to do so for free can bring in and maintain an audience. The guys who aren't champions or are low-level champs, i.e. the tag champions. They should be wrestling more often, because their matches aren't big payoffs either way. So if the storyline aspect isn't the draw with those guys, make it one for the wrestling. You can afford to have them "give away" matches because they're not the ones people buy PPVs in order to see. They can contribute to the whole, but they don't have that kind of stark power that the Punks and Cenas and Rocks have. So let them work the free televised matches, occasionally as televised main events. But make sure they have characters and small storylines so fans at least can invest in them somewhat.
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Post by 543Y2J on Feb 27, 2013 13:24:57 GMT -5
MY GOD Punk wasn't even a 100% healthy for this match! Insanity if this is true! NODQ.Com That ****3/4 (my own rating) isn't even Punk at his best!
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Post by BigWill on Feb 27, 2013 13:32:11 GMT -5
Am I reading some of these comments right? Are some people complaining about the idea of regularly seeing great matches on free TV?
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Feb 27, 2013 13:34:38 GMT -5
people have been calling this a MoTY candidate. There's a difference between solid matches and MoTY candidates. It's only a MOTY candidate because there has been little to no actual wrestling going on. I think the problem with the "have great matches on TV for free" is that it actually is acceptable with certain wrestlers but can be damaging with others. John Cena and CM Punk for example are main eventers. They headline your shows, and they're the ones who really draw the fans and sell PPVs. If fans know that they'll wrestle great matches for free, why buy a PPV when you can just tune in? It would drive ratings up and drive buys down. With main eventers, this extends beyond just wrestling. Simply by appearing every week, they hurt their drawing power in terms of ratings, because no show (TV or PPV) is can't-miss. If Cena wrestles only once, twice a month, that's going to make his matches attract that much more attention. Instead of having the useless tag and 2 minute DQ main events with these guys, either have them not wrestle on TV at all or wrestle very sparingly when they're the champions or the top contenders. On the flip side, you have the mid carders. As WCW demonstrated, having a mid-card that works good matches even with little to no storyline and is willing to do so for free can bring in and maintain an audience. The guys who aren't champions or are low-level champs, i.e. the tag champions. They should be wrestling more often, because their matches aren't big payoffs either way. So if the storyline aspect isn't the draw with those guys, make it one for the wrestling. You can afford to have them "give away" matches because they're not the ones people buy PPVs in order to see. They can contribute to the whole, but they don't have that kind of stark power that the Punks and Cenas and Rocks have. So let them work the free televised matches, occasionally as televised main events. But make sure they have characters and small storylines so fans at least can invest in them somewhat. Yes, the lower carders should be working matches like this to make up for their lack of storylines and promos. If they can't get over with character development, let them get over in the ring.
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Post by lemonyellowson on Feb 27, 2013 13:49:49 GMT -5
Am I reading some of these comments right? Are some people complaining about the idea of regularly seeing great matches on free TV? i know. sometimes this is a strange place
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Post by 543Y2J on Feb 27, 2013 13:54:44 GMT -5
Am I reading some of these comments right? Are some people complaining about the idea of regularly seeing great matches on free TV? i know. sometimes this is a strange place
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Feb 27, 2013 13:58:46 GMT -5
Without a doubt the second greatest match between these two that I've seen. And that's only because the Money in the Bank one had that amazing crowd.
It really reminds me of how even though I can't stand Cena's character he can still entertain me in the ring with his work. If he showed this side of him more often than I'd be a fan of his no doubt.
And CM Punk was no slouch either.
Just tons of memorable moments in that match. Definitely the best match I've seen this year.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Feb 27, 2013 14:02:05 GMT -5
Am I reading some of these comments right? Are some people complaining about the idea of regularly seeing great matches on free TV? i know. sometimes this is a strange place I think he was coming from the place of "If everyone is special, no one is special."
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Post by Yami Daimao on Feb 27, 2013 14:04:39 GMT -5
Am I reading some of these comments right? Are some people complaining about the idea of regularly seeing great matches on free TV? I think people are just against the idea of seeing great matches like that on a weekly basis, as it would eventually diminish the "magic". Would we be saying how amazing and memorable that match was if we saw stuff like that every week prior to it? Probably not.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Feb 27, 2013 14:10:14 GMT -5
Am I reading some of these comments right? Are some people complaining about the idea of regularly seeing great matches on free TV? I think people are just against the idea of seeing great matches like that on a weekly basis, as it would eventually diminish the "magic". Would we be saying how amazing and memorable that match was if we saw stuff like that every week prior to it? Probably not. I don't think Cena and Punk, or the top guys in general have to put on great matches every week. But it would be nice if the lower level guys were allowed to show their stuff and get over with the fans. I wouldn't give them 15-20 minutes but I'd love to see two lower guys going all in and putting on an energetic match in just three minutes.
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Post by BigWill on Feb 27, 2013 14:13:22 GMT -5
Am I reading some of these comments right? Are some people complaining about the idea of regularly seeing great matches on free TV? I think people are just against the idea of seeing great matches like that on a weekly basis, as it would eventually diminish the "magic". Would we be saying how amazing and memorable that match was if we saw stuff like that every week prior to it? Probably not. I don't see why not. Great matches can still have a uniqueness about them. If they were to happen more frequently, that doesn't mean that each one can't be memorable in a different way. A TV drama doesn't purposely put on crappy episodes, just so the season finale look better in comparison, do they?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 27, 2013 14:26:18 GMT -5
I think that what we need from WWE now is what WCW used to have as a formula in the 90s.
Your main eventers have the storylines, the intrigue, the spectacle, and once in a while have a great match.
Your mid card may not have the storylines, the TV time, the charisma, but they can wrestle like motherf***ers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2013 15:42:17 GMT -5
Also, yes, I immediately shouted "BATISTA BOMB" when Cena did it. Mark out moment I guess lol. This match definitely woke up the crowd after what seemed like a movie plug filled RAW.
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