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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2013 0:03:49 GMT -5
Kurt Angle risking his awful buzzcut in a hair match thinks this bet is weak. "Oh no, if I lose I have to put the world's greatest wrestlah/singah/entatainah in my avatar." There are starving TNA fans in the Impact Zone that would DIE for the chance to do that.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Mar 27, 2013 0:08:08 GMT -5
And this why Cena attempts to win at all costs and eventually cheats to beat the Rock. He's slightly conflicted, but he still does it. The next night on RAW, Cena comes out as WWE Champ and admits to going against his best judgment and letting his desire to win get the better of him. He says he's embarrassed and grants Rock a rematch on RAW. The match happens and the same events play out as the night before: Cena can't seem to get the better of the Rock, so he cheats to win again. This time, he embraces it and destroys the Rock after the match, cementing the turn. We're left with a paranoid heel Cena, who's obsessed with asserting his legacy as the best ever at all costs. Here's the thing. In the end Cena has to beat the Rock, CLEANLY! No cheating, no shenanigans, no screwjob. Or in the end Cena will still be seen as not on the Rock's level. And in the long run that's what this storyline is about, Cena officially joining the all time greats. A Cena heel turn at WrestleMania 29 may be exciting in the short term but it could ruin Cena's legacy in the long term. Unless he redeems himself and beats The Rock at WrestleMania 30. And I think having the same main event is pushing it. I think Cena should win, but go heel. But I don't think his legacy depends on it. Was Savage any less of an all-time great even though he never beat Hulk Hogan even once? Is HBK or HHH any less of a legend because they couldn't pin Undertaker at WrestleMania, despite getting five chances between them? Is Hulk Hogan not as good as Rock, because Rock beat him twice? Cena's a future HOF'er because of everything else he's accomplished. This shouldn't be seen as a torch-passing ceremony. Cena's had the torch for 8 years.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Mar 27, 2013 0:19:52 GMT -5
I recall similar threads this time last year, based solely on the fact that Cena had deviated from his 'You can't see me' routine for 5 weeks.
Cena'll be back to his usual self come April 8th.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Mar 27, 2013 0:34:39 GMT -5
And this is where I fault the WWE to a degree. People say they have no other top stars to fill Cena's void, and to a certain extent, those people would be correct. If Jeff Hardy hadn't have left the turn probably would've already happened.
However, they've had numerous opportunities to create a star and have him take Cena's spot. I feel they could've easily had Morrison, Miz, Daniel Bryan, and MVP could've easily taken his spot if they hadn't put them on losing streaks, derail their heat with senseless booking, and water down their characters.
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Post by nate5054 on Mar 27, 2013 1:25:48 GMT -5
Then that great final segment was a bit of waste. Guy sold the desperation of a victory and his need for it very well, and it'd be a shame if we got the same stale character after Mania. I agree. His segment went from awful (the whole McNabb crap) to excellent, but if it just goes back to the same then blah.
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Post by nate5054 on Mar 27, 2013 1:27:51 GMT -5
You know, I will be honest... I don't think he'll turn heel. They pulled this stuff last year and nothing came from it so I will be surprised if they go through with it with no top guy to replace him with. I don't think he'll turn either, though just from my feeling on how putrid WWE "creative" is.
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Post by nate5054 on Mar 27, 2013 1:34:15 GMT -5
I'll get on this bet too. If Cena turns I'll change my user name for a month (in fact will change it back to the original one now since this Shareholder thing has lost steam and I'm behind) to whatever one of you clever f***s can come up with.
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Mar 27, 2013 1:47:11 GMT -5
I'll copy. If this happens I'll change my name to MizAJglov3s for a month. But it would have to be a real turn. Like he'd need to be blatantly heel and confirm a turn on Raw going into a post Mania program as a heel. I'll also play along- I'll change my name fro BRAINFADE to BRAINFART for a month if Cena turns heel at WrestleMania. It ain't happening. If they do it right, it could be the second-biggest heel turn in history. (Hollywood Hoan FTW!) I'll do first-middle-last name for a year if John Cena turns heel. No joke. Do it, WWE!
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Mar 27, 2013 9:53:06 GMT -5
And this why Cena attempts to win at all costs and eventually cheats to beat the Rock. He's slightly conflicted, but he still does it. The next night on RAW, Cena comes out as WWE Champ and admits to going against his best judgment and letting his desire to win get the better of him. He says he's embarrassed and grants Rock a rematch on RAW. The match happens and the same events play out as the night before: Cena can't seem to get the better of the Rock, so he cheats to win again. This time, he embraces it and destroys the Rock after the match, cementing the turn. We're left with a paranoid heel Cena, who's obsessed with asserting his legacy as the best ever at all costs. Here's the thing. In the end Cena has to beat the Rock, CLEANLY! No cheating, no shenanigans, no screwjob. Or in the end Cena will still be seen as not on the Rock's level. And in the long run that's what this storyline is about, Cena officially joining the all time greats. A Cena heel turn at WrestleMania 29 may be exciting in the short term but it could ruin Cena's legacy in the long term. Unless he redeems himself and beats The Rock at WrestleMania 30. And I think having the same main event is pushing it. at risk of sounding like a cynical jerk, Cena could beat Rock clean until the cows come home and still not be perceived as being on his level.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Mar 27, 2013 10:15:54 GMT -5
Here's the thing. In the end Cena has to beat the Rock, CLEANLY! No cheating, no shenanigans, no screwjob. Or in the end Cena will still be seen as not on the Rock's level. And in the long run that's what this storyline is about, Cena officially joining the all time greats. A Cena heel turn at WrestleMania 29 may be exciting in the short term but it could ruin Cena's legacy in the long term. Unless he redeems himself and beats The Rock at WrestleMania 30. And I think having the same main event is pushing it. at risk of sounding like a cynical jerk, Cena could beat Rock clean until the cows come home and still not be perceived as being on his level. I think that's what they're going for. Cena as this guy that tries so hard and does EVERYTHING that would get anybody else respect and he still gets none. In the promo he said that by beating The Rock he'll prove he belongs and that he's better than The Rock. He does exactly that and STILL doesn't get respect. That's crazy making!
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Post by Beast Army Ass on Mar 27, 2013 10:18:31 GMT -5
I feel like one thing people may not be thinking about is that the good guys (with one or two exceptions) close out WM with a victory. And those two exceptions I'm thinking if were WM 2000 and 27, which were both...not good. Regardless, I don't think they chance Cena turning and destroying Rock just to keep with their near flawless tradition of having the smiling do-gooder coming out on top at the end of the show.
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Post by kidglov3s on Mar 27, 2013 10:36:27 GMT -5
I feel like one thing people may not be thinking about is that the good guys (with one or two exceptions) close out WM with a victory. And those two exceptions I'm thinking if were WM 2000 and 27, which were both...not good. Regardless, I don't think they chance Cena turning and destroying Rock just to keep with their near flawless tradition of having the smiling do-gooder coming out on top at the end of the show. I think it's important to keep in mind that regardless of how he's booked Cena will likely get booed if he wins. WM 2000 and WM 27 technically ended with heels winning but both shows closed with the crowd cheering The Rock for winning the war after losing or not participating in the battle
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Mar 27, 2013 13:10:18 GMT -5
I feel like one thing people may not be thinking about is that the good guys (with one or two exceptions) close out WM with a victory. And those two exceptions I'm thinking if were WM 2000 and 27, which were both...not good. Regardless, I don't think they chance Cena turning and destroying Rock just to keep with their near flawless tradition of having the smiling do-gooder coming out on top at the end of the show. because Wrestlemania 17 had such a happy ending
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Post by kidglov3s on Mar 27, 2013 13:11:09 GMT -5
I feel like one thing people may not be thinking about is that the good guys (with one or two exceptions) close out WM with a victory. And those two exceptions I'm thinking if were WM 2000 and 27, which were both...not good. Regardless, I don't think they chance Cena turning and destroying Rock just to keep with their near flawless tradition of having the smiling do-gooder coming out on top at the end of the show. because Wrestlemania 17 had such a happy ending Yeah I decided to ignore that because I come across like a bitch so much, lol.
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Post by The Baltimore Staircase on Mar 27, 2013 13:14:04 GMT -5
I don't think Cena's turning now, just because he hasn't got a big name face to carry that side of things.
I think if anything Punk was the man to take over but they went another direction with it.
Let's say Cena goes heel after Mania. Rock has what, one PPV date left? Then who is there?
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Post by RI Richmark on Mar 27, 2013 13:29:48 GMT -5
Here's the thing. In the end Cena has to beat the Rock, CLEANLY! No cheating, no shenanigans, no screwjob. Or in the end Cena will still be seen as not on the Rock's level. And in the long run that's what this storyline is about, Cena officially joining the all time greats. A Cena heel turn at WrestleMania 29 may be exciting in the short term but it could ruin Cena's legacy in the long term. Unless he redeems himself and beats The Rock at WrestleMania 30. And I think having the same main event is pushing it. at risk of sounding like a cynical jerk, Cena could beat Rock clean until the cows come home and still not be perceived as being on his level. With all due respect, it's one thing for you to think that Cena is not on the Rock's level. Hell, I think the Rock is the better wrestler. But if Cena fails to get a clean victory it will be like the WWE saying that Cena is not on the Rock's level. And since Cena is going going to be around more than the Rock is, that would be a bad move in my opinion. I think that's what they're going for. Cena as this guy that tries so hard and does EVERYTHING that would get anybody else respect and he still gets none. In the promo he said that by beating The Rock he'll prove he belongs and that he's better than The Rock. He does exactly that and STILL doesn't get respect. That's crazy making! Or he can become such a unbearable douche after beating Rock that you want somebody to shut him up. Heck, some people feel that way right now ;D. I'm not against the idea of Cena turning heel, I just don't want him to have to cheat to beat the Rock.
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Post by wallabylikeyou on Mar 27, 2013 13:35:57 GMT -5
What if he pinned him clean as a whistle but then afterwards Rock offers a handshake and then Cena lays him out? He could still win clean and turn heel.
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Post by Beast Army Ass on Mar 27, 2013 13:54:23 GMT -5
because Wrestlemania 17 had such a happy ending Yeah I decided to ignore that because I come across like a bitch so much, lol. Blah, how'd I forget that? I'll go sit in the corner now...
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Post by HBL on Mar 27, 2013 17:21:11 GMT -5
That was amazing. Even Rock was actually good for once.
But Cena...he f***ing killed it. I know they had a lot of chances with it before,I know it's a risky move,but after that segment I can officially say that I think Cena is turning heel. There's just no other way. Things have been never this heated between the too and a ''Cena wins and shakes hands with Rock'' scenario is now really unlikely. There's definitely something that will leave an impact after the match,and this is where the turn comes into scenario. This is it.
If they do Cena/Taker at Mania 30 that might be a chance as well but that's probably going to be Taker's last match and I really doubt he would leave like that. So,I don't know how many times I said this before,but this is it.
I'm telling you,even the glimpses of heel Cena from the segment were enought to send me chills. I can't even imagine what a full-blown heel Cena would be like.
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Post by trollrogue on Mar 27, 2013 23:15:01 GMT -5
I just want to point out that awesome Shield promo against John Cena earlier this year as another clue that a heel turn may be likely come 'Mania. Seth Rollins was pretty vicious against Cena saying he fails everyday he continues 'to exist', which probably in kayfabe was tough for Mr. "Put on a Happy Face" Cena to hear. Everything Rollins was saying about Cena was stuff Cena himself was thinking in the back of his mind.
Since the WWE must've known that it was going to be Rock/Cena II in the main event back when The Shield cut that promo, it tells me that there's a chance that post-'Mania Cena will take on a CM Punkian mentor role to the Hounds of Justice. Him saying that Rock needs to feel how it is to fail since Rocky's never failed before is eerily similar to The Shield pontificating how/where justice should be doled out.
Side clues to the heel turn are that he beat out Ryback for the Royal Rumble win, and that same Ryback was involved in a heavy feud with The Shield-- so Shield badmouthing Cena is almost a plea for John to finally turn heel since he's 'failing' as a top face and is only successful when he goes after other top faces like Ryback.
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