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Post by rybackrulez on Oct 17, 2013 21:40:20 GMT -5
Of cours it isn't
But nobody believes samoa joe is in better health than chris masters
It is abour living healthier some people are predisposed to not having cuts
But the best indicator of health is cholesterol, bp, and bf%
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Post by kidglov3s on Oct 17, 2013 21:42:32 GMT -5
Yknow, I would be more surprised to hear Joe died young from complications secondary to obesity than to hear that Chris Masters died young from complications secondary to drug use. Masters' use of various illicit substances is well known and a greater risk factor for bad shit than Joe's tubbiness. Motherf***er's Samoan. But I mean, Masters' roids and Kang's ED history, no price is too high for the perfect bod.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Oct 17, 2013 21:49:58 GMT -5
Proud, yes. Humble, no. Arrogant? Maybe. But isn't all pride arrogance? Pride is defined as "a high or inordinate opinion of one's own dignity, importance, merit, or superiority, whether as cherished in the mind or as displayed in bearing, conduct, etc." And honestly, if she wants to have an overbearing sense of pride, then it's rightly deserved. More people should be proud of their accomplishments, particularly when it comes to bettering their health. She had three kids and is in better shape than most people in their 20's. I truly don't understand this notion that when somebody accomplishes something great or achieves something significant, even in terms of bettering themselves physically to allow them a better life, our instinctive reaction is to demonize it or criticize it. I guess, but I think there is a way to be proud withtout making other people feel worse. Intended or not, others being over sensitive even, there are ways to go about it that don't make you come off so poorly. And again, my main issue is that it's perpetuating the way things are advertised to women, and that's trying to make them think they are ugly and terrible if they don't look like this. I don't really think that's okay either.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Oct 17, 2013 21:52:38 GMT -5
At the end of the day the fit mother wins. She'll still be alive and watching her children grow up while the others eat themselves to an early grave and leave their children parentless because of their unhealthy and selfish life choices. So good job fit Mom, you're providing a better life for yourself and your family. Even if she puts on weight she'll live a long time. To quote Lewis Blackm "the good die young, and pricks live forever"
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Post by rybackrulez on Oct 17, 2013 21:57:51 GMT -5
So really you are adding that to the convo?
Health concious people are assholes
Unhealthy lazy people are the angels in the outfield?
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Post by Dave the Dave on Oct 17, 2013 22:03:26 GMT -5
So really you are adding that to the convo? Health concious people are assholes Unhealthy lazy people are the angels in the outfield? No. In fact you are incorrect about what I said. Don't make a generalization. This person seems like a prick. Not all healthy people. This one. The lady in that picture. If need be I can be more specific.
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Post by kidglov3s on Oct 17, 2013 22:04:07 GMT -5
So really you are adding that to the convo? Health concious people are assholes Unhealthy lazy people are the angels in the outfield? No. I would say that there's more to health than BMI. The WHO defines health as "Health is a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity". Of course the gigantic people on scooters aren't heading in a positive direction, but there are a lot of people who have a higher BMI or body fat percentage than Maria Kang (you included, btw) that aren't in mortal danger and shouldn't be belittled or harassed for failing to conform to arbitrary standards that they might not even value (though it is often assumed that they should). And there are a lot of people who have BMIs below 25 that are pissing away their health. I see many of them regularly as a nursing student.
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Post by Jimichiro Likes Erick Rowan on Oct 17, 2013 22:04:44 GMT -5
A lot of my feelings have been by posted by others, but I will say that anyone who truly, 110% wants to lose weight and get in shape, they'll find a way. Whether it be through diet, exercise or plastic surgery.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Oct 17, 2013 22:06:31 GMT -5
So really you are adding that to the convo? Health concious people are assholes Unhealthy lazy people are the angels in the outfield? No. I would say that there's more to health than BMI. The WHO defines health as "Health is a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity". Of course the gigantic people on scooters aren't heading in a positive direction, but there are a lot of people who have a higher BMI or body fat percentage than Maria Kang (you included, btw) that aren't in mortal danger and shouldn't be belittled or harassed for failing to conform to arbitrary standards that they might not even value (though it is often assumed that they should). That lady could smoke a pack of cigarettes a day. We don't know. Just because someone has abs doesn't make them healthy or better...if we're going to play devil's advocate for the sake of it.
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Post by kidglov3s on Oct 17, 2013 22:08:30 GMT -5
I want to clarify that I think NO ONE should be belittled or harassed whether they weigh 100lb or 1000lb. We make our own choices and we face our own consequences.
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Post by Sparkybob on Oct 17, 2013 22:10:49 GMT -5
Really Rybackrulez stop. You can't make a credible argument basing it on generalizations. Not all skinny people are truly healthy and not all fat people are lazy assholes.
I'm kinda on your side but your being a jerk about your argument.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Oct 17, 2013 22:10:58 GMT -5
Let's hear an experts opinion.
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Post by Sparkybob on Oct 17, 2013 22:12:22 GMT -5
I want to clarify that I think NO ONE should be belittled or harassed whether they weigh 100lb or 1000lb. We make our own choices and we face our own consequences. I agree, we just have a different opinion on what constitutes belittling.
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 17, 2013 22:25:21 GMT -5
I'm just hanging around until someone busts out a "do you even lift?" We're this close, damn it.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Oct 17, 2013 22:27:38 GMT -5
I want to clarify that I think NO ONE should be belittled or harassed whether they weigh 100lb or 1000lb. We make our own choices and we face our own consequences. I agree, we just have a different opinion on what constitutes belittling. Certain arguments in this thread which can be simplified to 'fatty fat fat fat' would be a start, which, let's be honest, any way you slice it is more than a little f***ed up: that some people on the planet don't even register or exist as human to these people, but instead are conceived of as worthless, lazy collections of adipose tissue.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 17, 2013 22:36:10 GMT -5
To be fair though, while genetic factors etc do obviously play a huge role in just how your body type is, eating less+exercising more will and does get 99.9% of the populace in at least some form of better shape. That's not any sorta moral crusade or value judgment, that's just the truth of the matter. I'm not actually talking about metabolic conditions resulting from genetic factors, although those are certainly the case for some. I'm talking about the microbiome, and the recent studies demonstrating that modulating it in mammals... just replacing the bacteria in the guts of obese mice with bacteria from the guts of lean mice... confers a lean phenotype on previously obese animals. I know it's unpopular to believe that obesity might not be mainly an issue of willpower, especially for those of us who were able to get lean through diet and exercise alone (or for those who have never had to try to get lean, and just assume it's the default state unless someone's really gorging themselves). But science is telling us a lot of things about weight, not all of which involve calorie counting. Denying that in order to put most of the focus on willpower-related factors IS attempting to boil a complex biological state down to a simple matter of strong vs weak, moral vs immoral, and it's NOT truthful. It's ignoring a good bit of truth for the sake of simplicity or being able to feel superior. In any case, I do believe that for many, diet and exercise can help get you in "better" shape. But "better" shape isn't going to save most people from the body police who think they know everything about everything despite the conspicuous lack of a medical degree. Mrs. Kang could have high cholesterol and blood pressure and her legs could be about to shatter from building stress fractures (don't think so? You should meet some of the runners I've trained with over the years), but she's in perfect health because, well, we can see that she is! No. No, we can't. A visual of a body is not enough to diagnose health. I'll concede your points there, those are good examples; and obviously we agree that people can get in "better" shape.
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Post by Sparkybob on Oct 17, 2013 22:38:42 GMT -5
I agree, we just have a different opinion on what constitutes belittling. Certain arguments in this thread which can be simplified to 'fatty fat fat fat' would be a start, which, let's be honest, any way you slice it is more than a little f***ed up: that some people on the planet don't even register or exist as human to these people, but instead are conceived of as worthless, lazy collections of adipose tissue. I never said that was a OK but alright then.... I was more talking about what's the extent of belittlement. Some might find me asking an overweight companion if they want to go on a run with me belittling that person since I'm suggesting they need to run. Some might not. That's the point in this thread you see there isn't 1 concrete definition.
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Post by rybackrulez on Oct 17, 2013 23:34:46 GMT -5
Really Rybackrulez stop. You can't make a credible argument basing it on generalizations. Not all skinny people are truly healthy and not all fat people are lazy assholes. I'm kinda on your side but your being a jerk about your argument. Diabetes and high bp and high cholesterol are signf bad health Anybody can suffer from these That is genetics I dont think skinny is healthy I dont think ripped is healthy I dont think doughy is unhealthy Obesity is unhealthy however And bmi is a bad barometer I am 245 lbs and 19% bf Bmi says i am hyper obese
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Oct 18, 2013 0:00:03 GMT -5
Really Rybackrulez stop. You can't make a credible argument basing it on generalizations. Not all skinny people are truly healthy and not all fat people are lazy assholes. I'm kinda on your side but your being a jerk about your argument. Diabetes and high bp and high cholesterol are signf bad health Anybody can suffer from these That is genetics I dont think skinny is healthy I dont think ripped is healthy I dont think doughy is unhealthy Obesity is unhealthy however And bmi is a bad barometer I am 245 lbs and 19% bf Bmi says i am hyper obese Well then, what's your excuse?
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Post by rybackrulez on Oct 18, 2013 0:35:57 GMT -5
Lol
See i am a big bodied dude
I have a big frame and my shoulders are super broad
Sitting on a cramped bus sucks
But to me fitness isn't look. It is you trying to be a healthier person
Results may vary
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