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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Oct 17, 2013 22:23:21 GMT -5
I'm imagining WWE Officials in lab coats, like scientists in a movie, looking over Brie, who is on an exam table, poking and prodding her, looking at each other, shaking their heads, saying "I just don't understand this woman, I'm so confused, it seems like people should like her." The Curious Case of Brie Bella
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 17, 2013 22:25:57 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan's penis isn't magic.
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Post by FinalGwen on Oct 17, 2013 22:32:58 GMT -5
You know what else annoys me about this? They've said on TV how long Daniel Bryan and Brie have been dating, when just over a year ago, there was that big storyline regarding AJ Lee and her several suiters. Again, it's just insulting the fans for ever getting behind that story, because by mentioning how long Bryan has been dating Brie, they're basically saying they don't care about sticking to a story or they think we're too stupid to remember. I'd expect this out of Russo, but it becomes more and more ridiculous with how narrowminded their booking is. It's the same with something like a kayfabe injury or a spot that 20 years ago, someone would sell like death. Now? They might miss one show tops, then return showing no sign of wear or even playing up the injury. They try to blur this line with reality, all the while not caring about keeping kayfabe. STOP TURNING INTO f***ING RUSSO! At the same time, I can see why they want to reflect reality. It'd be harder and harder not to acknowledge that they are together when they're at the point of getting married. Either it'd restrict how they could act in public and on social media, or it'd just seem incongruous if they were publically together but entirely separate in kayfabe. And take the Edge/Lita/Matt issue - Should they have ignored reality and continued a feud with Edge and Kane when more people wanted to see Lita's real ex get revenge? And heck, if you really want to explain it in kayfabe, it's not like Bryan's character back then was all that respectful of AJ, no reason he couldn't have been cheating on her.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 17, 2013 22:36:16 GMT -5
The biggest problem is that there was really no moment where Brie turned. Seen this a lot in this thread and there was a moment that was meant to be her turn but it failed horribly. AJ's promo on the Total Divas was meant to turn them all face but seeing as most of the audience didn't watch Total Divas, care about the Divas AJ was talking about or just straight up agreed with her it fell flat on it's face. When the WWE expected AJ's promo to cement her as a heel and everyone as a face it's no wonder that they are confused as to why nobody really gives a shit about Brie. because shitting on a stale and poorly booked part of the product did so well to make CM Punk a despised heel
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 22:38:56 GMT -5
Seen this a lot in this thread and there was a moment that was meant to be her turn but it failed horribly. AJ's promo on the Total Divas was meant to turn them all face but seeing as most of the audience didn't watch Total Divas, care about the Divas AJ was talking about or just straight up agreed with her it fell flat on it's face. When the WWE expected AJ's promo to cement her as a heel and everyone as a face it's no wonder that they are confused as to why nobody really gives a shit about Brie. because shitting on a stale and poorly booked part of the product did so well to make CM Punk a despised heel Really, that promo and the AJ one both seem symptomatic of a bigger problem, that WWE honestly thinks people love everything they put on screen and genuinely believe the idea of someone doing something new and different outside of their niche should make them widely hated.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 17, 2013 22:40:22 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan's penis isn't magic. His telekinesis is due to him being vegan.
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Post by gl83 on Oct 17, 2013 22:45:14 GMT -5
The main problem is that she never really turned face. Honestly, what was her face turn? The fact that Total Divas revealed her to be engaged to current top star Daniel Bryan? Nothing WWE has done on the main shows has ever made her out to be a sympathetic character whatsoever. In fact when Cole ranted "Why was Nikki banned from ringside?" I found myself agreeing with JBL when he said "Because of twin magic..these girls always cheat." Funny thing about that was, Cole was ranting about how unfair it was that AJ was allowed out there. Yet, during the entire match, AJ didn't get involved at all; no distractions, no cheapshots, nothing. All of her damage came after the match, you know when Nikki Bella was free to come out. Hell, considering the whole match the fans were chanting either "We want AJ" or "AJ's crazy"; if she wasn't out there, the crowd might have gone "Orton/Sheamus, night after WrestleMania" on us.
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Post by Chip on Oct 17, 2013 23:03:40 GMT -5
Seen this a lot in this thread and there was a moment that was meant to be her turn but it failed horribly. AJ's promo on the Total Divas was meant to turn them all face but seeing as most of the audience didn't watch Total Divas, care about the Divas AJ was talking about or just straight up agreed with her it fell flat on it's face. When the WWE expected AJ's promo to cement her as a heel and everyone as a face it's no wonder that they are confused as to why nobody really gives a shit about Brie. because shitting on a stale and poorly booked part of the product did so well to make CM Punk a despised heel Hey man, I'm one of those people that is of the mindset that that was their intention with Punks promo. Everything that happened after that makes way more sense if you look at it like Punk's the heel.
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Post by DSR on Oct 17, 2013 23:23:12 GMT -5
In addition to her and her sister being totally bitchy for the longest time and turning face without ever actually turning...remember the last time the Bellas were face? They'd show up every week, telling Cedric the Entertainer they're his BIGGEST fans, and that was IT! Glomming onto guest hosts (which were also not popular, save random ESPN "look what Ben Roethlisberger did tonight hyuk hyuk" coverage) like a couple of paid escorts doesn't exactly endear you to an audience, either. Granted, WWE doesn't expect us to remember 2 weeks ago, let alone a few years ago.
WWE has done a lot of developments out of nowhere lately. Big Show is randomly broke because otherwise he's tearing a plothole in our story. Cody Rhodes's real-life fiancee is mentioned to add weight to his story, even though a couple of months ago he was flirting with Kaitlyn.
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Post by Lazy peon on Oct 17, 2013 23:47:46 GMT -5
Glomming onto guest hosts (which were also not popular, save random ESPN "look what Ben Roethlisberger did tonight hyuk hyuk" coverage) "And the crowd doesn't seem to care at all about Ben Roethlisberger!" "No that's not Ben, that's a wrestler called Michael McGil-something"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 0:11:31 GMT -5
You know what else annoys me about this? They've said on TV how long Daniel Bryan and Brie have been dating, when just over a year ago, there was that big storyline regarding AJ Lee and her several suiters. Again, it's just insulting the fans for ever getting behind that story, because by mentioning how long Bryan has been dating Brie, they're basically saying they don't care about sticking to a story or they think we're too stupid to remember. I'd expect this out of Russo, but it becomes more and more ridiculous with how narrowminded their booking is. It's the same with something like a kayfabe injury or a spot that 20 years ago, someone would sell like death. Now? They might miss one show tops, then return showing no sign of wear or even playing up the injury. They try to blur this line with reality, all the while not caring about keeping kayfabe. STOP TURNING INTO f***ING RUSSO! Miz is just that much tougher than Brian Pillman. He got his NECK Pillmanized, and had a match the next week, albeit with some half-assed "I dunno if he's 100%!" concern from Mitchell Cole. Meanwhile, Pillman turned into a nutjob and tried to shoot Stone Cold on primetime TV, all over a silly broken ankle!. If he could be more like Miz, we wouldn't have had such senselessness.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 18, 2013 0:23:45 GMT -5
WWE are surprised and confused by something anyone with even a slight knowledge of their own product would have known couldn't have worked.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Oct 18, 2013 5:32:37 GMT -5
because shitting on a stale and poorly booked part of the product did so well to make CM Punk a despised heel Hey man, I'm one of those people that is of the mindset that that was their intention with Punks promo. Everything that happened after that makes way more sense if you look at it like Punk's the heel. I would have loved to be a fly on the wall when WWE realized that Punk's comments were actually already the perception of a good number of their fanbase.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 18, 2013 7:22:20 GMT -5
Hey man, I'm one of those people that is of the mindset that that was their intention with Punks promo. Everything that happened after that makes way more sense if you look at it like Punk's the heel. I would have loved to be a fly on the wall when WWE realized that Punk's comments were actually already the perception of a good number of their fanbase. I think there are a lot of cases recently where the WWE may be shocked by whats going on. Hell, I don't really think they expected Swagger and Cesaro to be getting "We the People" chants or the entire crowd saying the phrase with them and Colter. Another thing I wanted to point out on the Diva's and it's a quote from CZW owner DJ Hyde from a recent interview (paraphrased). DJ basically said that with women wrestlers you have to give people a reason to care about them. You either have to really let them show how good they are in the ring, or you have to really let them play up their sex appeal. If you don't really give people a reason to care about them, why should they? He also points out that while there are wrestlers that you are conditioned to know they'll probably lose, they at least will get a chance to show off some amazing skills. The Divas aren't give either opportunity.
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Post by Abdullah on Oct 18, 2013 15:06:51 GMT -5
Another thing I wanted to point out on the Diva's and it's a quote from CZW owner DJ Hyde from a recent interview (paraphrased). DJ basically said that with women wrestlers you have to give people a reason to care about them. You either have to really let them show how good they are in the ring, or you have to really let them play up their sex appeal. If you don't really give people a reason to care about them, why should they? He also points out that while there are wrestlers that you are conditioned to know they'll probably lose, they at least will get a chance to show off some amazing skills. The Divas aren't give either opportunity. I know you're paraphrasing but that's true of male wrestlers as well. It's not specific to women. Just replace 'sex appeal' with 'mic time' or something. The WWE makes it seem like getting a woman over is some Herculean task, but it's not. They just need to be given good opportunities. They might get main-event level pops but no one in the midcard does on a consistent basis. A segment of the crowd will always be dismissive and sexist, but they don't make up the majority.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 18, 2013 16:55:47 GMT -5
There's a conflict between their kayfabe personas (superficial bitches who judge everyone based on looks) and the reality show (which I've never seen, but I presume they are nicer on that). WWE doesn't know how to solve this problem, so they simply turn the Bellas faces, even though there's been no kayfabe reason for it. Linking them to Daniel Bryan accomplishes nothing either, because that relationship has been based entirely on the reality show, and to a WWE viewer who's never seen it, the sudden DB/Brie relationship has come out of nowhere. It's even further complicated when AJ is added to the mix. She's the fan favourite and her pipebomb connected with people, and the Bellas had no counter for it (because they couldn't attack AJ in their usual way of calling her fat, because she isn't). It's also why Nattie can't get over, because after all the shit she's taken from the Bellas, suddenly she became their friend, for no reason whatsoever.
A complete mess.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 16:58:15 GMT -5
because shitting on a stale and poorly booked part of the product did so well to make CM Punk a despised heel Really, that promo and the AJ one both seem symptomatic of a bigger problem, that WWE honestly thinks people love everything they put on screen and genuinely believe the idea of someone doing something new and different outside of their niche should make them widely hated. It's as if Lee Iacocca possessed the body of Vince McMahon.
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Post by Corre.222 on Oct 18, 2013 19:55:10 GMT -5
It's a little bit hard to take a liking to Brie Bella when it was just very recently we got "QUACK QUACK NATTIE QUACK QUACK....QUACK QUACK NATTIE QUACK QUACK".
Give it some time WWE
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Post by Paco on Oct 18, 2013 22:34:05 GMT -5
Just watched tonight's Smackdown.
The Bellas are still bitches. The End.
Worst babyfaces EVER. *puts "L" on forehead*
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Post by Spider2024 on Oct 18, 2013 22:48:10 GMT -5
Why don't you love Brie? Tell me Universe, why don't you love Brie?
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