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Post by Reflecto on Nov 10, 2013 21:08:56 GMT -5
For sure. I just think TNA could actually benefit from Kelly Kelly's name value. As I posted in another thread months back one problem TNA runs into by trying to get more fans with big hires is that all the people they hire pretty much have the same fans or are fans taken from the same demographic. Kelly Kelly on the other hand appeals to another demographic and believe it or not still has a good chunk of fans. But that goes back to the "big hire" issue- in the last era of WWE Divas, there weren't any REALLY "big stars". TNA managed to get Mickie James [one of the biggest stars of the last "era"], and it didn't make a dent on the Knockouts division or help it move forwards. If, say, Kelly Kelly is being hired for appealing to a different demographic, you have to also keep in mind- Kelly Kelly wasn't a problem for appealing to another demographic as much as she was just really overrated as a "big star". If TNA was going to hire a Diva to appeal to another demographic and still get a big star, the better option would be to hire Maria- between going to the indies to get more experience, having posed for Playboy [a big sign for the "bigger star" and demographic-based ones), and if she and Mike Bennett are a package deal, it gives TNA another solid body for the men's division at least.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Nov 10, 2013 21:17:54 GMT -5
For sure. I just think TNA could actually benefit from Kelly Kelly's name value. As I posted in another thread months back one problem TNA runs into by trying to get more fans with big hires is that all the people they hire pretty much have the same fans or are fans taken from the same demographic. Kelly Kelly on the other hand appeals to another demographic and believe it or not still has a good chunk of fans. But that goes back to the "big hire" issue- in the last era of WWE Divas, there weren't any REALLY "big stars". TNA managed to get Mickie James [one of the biggest stars of the last "era"], and it didn't make a dent on the Knockouts division or help it move forwards. If, say, Kelly Kelly is being hired for appealing to a different demographic, you have to also keep in mind- Kelly Kelly wasn't a problem for appealing to another demographic as much as she was just really overrated as a "big star". If TNA was going to hire a Diva to appeal to another demographic and still get a big star, the better option would be to hire Maria- between going to the indies to get more experience, having posed for Playboy [a big sign for the "bigger star" and demographic-based ones), and if she and Mike Bennett are a package deal, it gives TNA another solid body for the men's division at least. I think Maria would be more likely to appeal to the same demographic that TNA has pretty much captured. Indie fans already know about TNA.From what I've seen on social media Kelly Kelly appeals more to tween girls, who aren't heavily into wrestling...but could be. Hence, the potential gain of new fans. Admittedly selling pro wrestling to tween girls doesn't sound that easy, but this is an industry that has transitioned from targeting a children's audience to an adult audience and then back again, so it's not impossible. To over simplify it in a way Kelly Kelly bringing fans to TNA could be like how Twilight bringing tween girls to vampires.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Nov 10, 2013 21:33:44 GMT -5
But that goes back to the "big hire" issue- in the last era of WWE Divas, there weren't any REALLY "big stars". TNA managed to get Mickie James [one of the biggest stars of the last "era"], and it didn't make a dent on the Knockouts division or help it move forwards. If, say, Kelly Kelly is being hired for appealing to a different demographic, you have to also keep in mind- Kelly Kelly wasn't a problem for appealing to another demographic as much as she was just really overrated as a "big star". If TNA was going to hire a Diva to appeal to another demographic and still get a big star, the better option would be to hire Maria- between going to the indies to get more experience, having posed for Playboy [a big sign for the "bigger star" and demographic-based ones), and if she and Mike Bennett are a package deal, it gives TNA another solid body for the men's division at least. I think Maria would be more likely to appeal to the same demographic that TNA has pretty much captured. Indie fans already know about TNA.From what I've seen on social media Kelly Kelly appeals more to tween girls, who aren't heavily into wrestling...but could be. Hence, the potential gain of new fans. Admittedly selling pro wrestling to tween girls doesn't sound that easy, but this is an industry that has transitioned from targeting a children's audience to an adult audience and then back again, so it's not impossible. To over simplify it in a way Kelly Kelly bringing fans to TNA could be like how Twilight bringing tween girls to vampires. Counterpoint, what TNA is offering will never appeal to tween girls.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Nov 10, 2013 21:42:26 GMT -5
I think Maria would be more likely to appeal to the same demographic that TNA has pretty much captured. Indie fans already know about TNA.From what I've seen on social media Kelly Kelly appeals more to tween girls, who aren't heavily into wrestling...but could be. Hence, the potential gain of new fans. Admittedly selling pro wrestling to tween girls doesn't sound that easy, but this is an industry that has transitioned from targeting a children's audience to an adult audience and then back again, so it's not impossible. To over simplify it in a way Kelly Kelly bringing fans to TNA could be like how Twilight bringing tween girls to vampires. Counterpoint, what TNA is offering will never appeal to tween girls. And only nerds would ever go to see movies based on comic books.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Nov 10, 2013 21:51:34 GMT -5
I think Maria would be more likely to appeal to the same demographic that TNA has pretty much captured. Indie fans already know about TNA.From what I've seen on social media Kelly Kelly appeals more to tween girls, who aren't heavily into wrestling...but could be. Hence, the potential gain of new fans. Admittedly selling pro wrestling to tween girls doesn't sound that easy, but this is an industry that has transitioned from targeting a children's audience to an adult audience and then back again, so it's not impossible. To over simplify it in a way Kelly Kelly bringing fans to TNA could be like how Twilight bringing tween girls to vampires. Counterpoint, what TNA is offering will never appeal to tween girls. Counter-counterpoint:
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Post by Reflecto on Nov 10, 2013 22:35:01 GMT -5
Counterpoint, what TNA is offering will never appeal to tween girls. And only nerds would ever go to see movies based on comic books. TNA SHOULD be able to appeal more to tween girls- but the problem is that TNA can't have it both ways. It goes back to the "wrestlers vs. eye candy" argument again- if TNA marketed the wrestling part correctly, there is no reason, on paper, that regular wrestling matches couldn't appeal to tween girls in this country (the Gail vs. Kong feud was basically an Americanized version of most joshi feuds- and joshi promotions are predominantly targeted in Japan to tween/teenage girls). When TNA decided to turn the filming and booking into blatant fetish fuel, then that went out the window in favor of targeting it to the guys in raincoats demographic.
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Post by Sephiroth on Nov 10, 2013 23:28:12 GMT -5
To contribute to the whole argument about TNA bringing in someone like Kellyx2, Beth Phoenix, or Melina; name value is arguably something TNA can't afford much of right now. They already have recognized female names in Gail Kim, ODB, Velvet, and Tessmacher-that should really be all they need. They would be better served to bring in some new talent from the indy's that will be a lot cheaper and won't need months, if not years, to develop their ring talent.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 10, 2013 23:31:39 GMT -5
I saw her mentioned a few times so I just want to say Michelle McCool got really good at this whole wrestling thing. Crowd reactions be damned. #FLAWLESS #LOVINGLIFE Yeah, I thought Michelle was on-point as far her in-ring work went. I would even go as far as to call her underrated.
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Post by SOR on Nov 11, 2013 14:01:26 GMT -5
To contribute to the whole argument about TNA bringing in someone like Kellyx2, Beth Phoenix, or Melina; name value is arguably something TNA can't afford much of right now. They already have recognized female names in Gail Kim, ODB, Velvet, and Tessmacher-that should really be all they need. They would be better served to bring in some new talent from the indy's that will be a lot cheaper and won't need months, if not years, to develop their ring talent. To be fair, none of the women's wrestlers TNA has under contract were overly popular in WWE. Tara and Mickie James were but nobody cared about Gail or Tessmacher that much
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Post by ratetankmark on Nov 11, 2013 14:10:22 GMT -5
Evie and Megan-Kate from IPW: New Zealand Kellie Skater Madison Eagles Nikki Storm Alpha Female Hailey Hatred Michelle K Hasluck Mena Libra would all be people who I'd love to see in the Knockouts even though I'm willing to accept that none of these will happen.
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Post by ratetankmark on Nov 11, 2013 14:13:29 GMT -5
I want Cheerleader Melissa wrestling, on TV, as cheerleader Melissa. Why can't I have that. Kayfabe answer: Because current heel Cheerleader Melissa is too out of control for TV? My personal opinion: Because apparently TNA only needs people to be hot or talented, having Melissa, who cranks both those up to 12, would cause TV screens to explode.
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Post by Sephiroth on Nov 11, 2013 14:15:16 GMT -5
To contribute to the whole argument about TNA bringing in someone like Kellyx2, Beth Phoenix, or Melina; name value is arguably something TNA can't afford much of right now. They already have recognized female names in Gail Kim, ODB, Velvet, and Tessmacher-that should really be all they need. They would be better served to bring in some new talent from the indy's that will be a lot cheaper and won't need months, if not years, to develop their ring talent. To be fair, none of the women's wrestlers TNA has under contract were overly popular in WWE. Tara and Mickie James were but nobody cared about Gail or Tessmacher that much Also true. But since they give gone on to popularity and success in TNA one can argue WWE's roster was too crowded for them to shine to their fullest at the time, or that WWE did not book them properly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2013 14:22:00 GMT -5
I saw her mentioned a few times so I just want to say Michelle McCool got really good at this whole wrestling thing. Crowd reactions be damned. #FLAWLESS #LOVINGLIFE Yeah, I thought Michelle was on-point as far her in-ring work went. I would even go as far as to call her underrated. She was good, she suffered from the HHH effect though where despite actually being good many want to pretend like she was terrible because she married the Undertaker and had a good push.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2013 14:36:50 GMT -5
1.Manami Toyota-not happening 2.cheerleader-under the allisa flash ring name 3.Sarori Yoshida-legit best female wrestler on earth needs training but is huge in japan 4.Portia Perez-talented but pervs seemed to love her also 5.kelly kelly-the name value
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2013 20:10:41 GMT -5
They should just sign whatever is popular on youtube. Cute cat videos will revitalize the Knockouts Division!
Personally I give the same answers every time, but I still want Alissa Flash and Sarita back in TNA or in WWE. I know Sarita is especially a long shot, but it's a crime that neither of them ever got the Knockouts belt.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Nov 12, 2013 2:48:45 GMT -5
The return of Taylor Wilde!
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Post by azrael502 on Nov 12, 2013 13:36:24 GMT -5
Please be LuFisto, please be LuFisto, please be LuFisto, please be LuFisto... This
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Post by The Ichi on Nov 13, 2013 5:30:35 GMT -5
It's weird, I tend to skip most diva stuff when I watch WWE, but with TNA I'm always interested in the Knockouts division. I guess because it was the one thing they actually did a lot better than WWE at one point.
That and Gail Kim is doing some great work right now. I still believe she's the one diva WWE botched more than anyone else.
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Post by AJ Smudgico on Nov 13, 2013 12:43:28 GMT -5
Can they not re-sign Winter without her having to be a weird date raping lesbian?
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Post by Welfare Willis on Nov 13, 2013 12:45:42 GMT -5
Can they not re-sign Winter without her having to be a weird date raping lesbian? Date rape lesbian... that sounds like the plot of several of my fanfics.
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