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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 14, 2013 20:59:12 GMT -5
He wasn't in the INDEEEZZZZZ. If he had spent 10 years in Chcara or pre-Sinclair ROH he'd be a God. This idiotic viewpoint needs to end. It's the go-to whine-fest insecure people use when they can't think of a valid argument to deflect criticism. Del Rio's issues are entirely personality-based, and have zero to do with him not being a favorite of some secret hive-mind hipster club that doesn't exist.
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Bub (BLM)
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Nov 14, 2013 20:59:22 GMT -5
Because not only is he dull, but they constantly feed him clean wins over guys who are infinitely more over than him. Take Monday as prime example. With how hot the crowd's been for him, Big E. had no business tapping clean to Del Rio. That's just idiotic.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2013 20:59:26 GMT -5
I don't hate him. I think he's a solid hand in the ring, but the powers that be totally f***ed up after his Rumble win.
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Bub (BLM)
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Nov 14, 2013 21:05:51 GMT -5
He wasn't in the INDEEEZZZZZ. If he had spent 10 years in Chcara or pre-Sinclair ROH he'd be a God. Just like those indy darlings Dolph Ziggler, Big E. Langston, The Usos, Roman Reigns, and Fandango!
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Post by tekkenguy on Nov 14, 2013 21:09:17 GMT -5
He wasn't in the INDEEEZZZZZ. If he had spent 10 years in Chcara or pre-Sinclair ROH he'd be a God. Just like those indy darlings Dolph Ziggler, Big E. Langston, The Usos, Roman Reigns, and Fandango! That's the oddest grouping of names I've ever seen. Of the names you mentioned above, only Ziggler is worshipped like a god by the IWC.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Nov 14, 2013 21:11:31 GMT -5
Just like those indy darlings Dolph Ziggler, Big E. Langston, The Usos, Roman Reigns, and Fandango! That's the oddest grouping of names I've ever seen. Of the names you mentioned above, only Ziggler is worshipped like a god by the IWC. My point was that all of those guys are very popular on this forum. It's not odd at all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2013 21:15:10 GMT -5
He's one of my favourite guys in wrestling right now, and has been since he was Dos Caras Jnr.
Maybe it is an element of being a fan pre-Del Rio/Banderas character, but in ring there are few people able to compete with him in all areas (actual moveset/style/psychology/athleticism), of course you can throw out a rare diamond like Daniel Bryan (who I think is better for his charisma as well as his physical wrestling talent) but really, ADR has consistently good matches that make sense. All his moves look like they kill a guy and he can sell like nobodies business.
However he's been so mishandled at points that it makes people forget that he was actively over like rover. Remember before his losses to Edge/Christian at Wrestlemania/Extreme Rules? He wasn't seen as a joke, I'd go as far as saying the majority of wrestling fans on the internet loved the guy.
But then stop start, dull writing, and urgh moments take it all away. As of late; his face turn was working in a big way for me, but then...they sort of ran out of steam or ideas, and made the heel manager the main attraction (which is bad, the more entertaining guy on the mic is ALWAYS cheered more). THEN they did the smart thing of the double turn with Ziggler...but then despite ADR being Mr TV Champion (always having compelling matches every time he was on PPV or TV, regardless of who he faced) they had no stories for him...so both Ziggler's babyface turn was wasted, and ADR's intense violent heel edge was lost.
And now Cena has the title because in an age of "guy must be to blame, give to one of the few constantly rammed down throat ultra main event stars we have!"
I don't know, obviously ADR is one of my favourite guys but I understand that the stories written for him do not work because of laziness, and that causes people to believe he's awful.
ADR HAS been over as both a heel & a legitimate babyface, but in the short term memory we ALL have as wrestling fans (when there's 6 hours+ of WWE TV a week many of us forget what happens a month ago sometimes, so no surprise when you see people claiming he was never over) when the last few months of stories for a guy amounts to nothing memorable, then the drama is lost, and drama is half of professional wrestling.
Without that drama, the notion of character arcs, then everyone looks like crap.
It affected Rey Mysterio, it affects John Cena, it affects lower carders like Zack Ryder who never change, and it affects ADR.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2013 21:16:48 GMT -5
He's terrible.
What's the mystery?
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 14, 2013 21:19:50 GMT -5
In all seriousness, I actually do think Del Rio is one hell of an in-ring talent. It's just that WWE has taken away everything interesting about him and insists on pushing him to the World title scene.
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Post by jdsnelson on Nov 14, 2013 21:24:35 GMT -5
He wasn't in the INDEEEZZZZZ. If he had spent 10 years in Chcara or pre-Sinclair ROH he'd be a God. Just like those indy darlings Dolph Ziggler, Big E. Langston, The Usos, Roman Reigns, and Fandango! You forgot Cody and Sandow. Not sure if Goldust counts.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Nov 14, 2013 21:58:10 GMT -5
He wasn't in the INDEEEZZZZZ. If he had spent 10 years in Chcara or pre-Sinclair ROH he'd be a God. Because he got the push they wanted for Daniel Bryan. Both of you seem to be self aware enough to know that none of this is true, so what do you gain from lying? Other than generating mildly perturbed responses like this?
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Post by wisdomwizard on Nov 14, 2013 21:58:18 GMT -5
I still love Del Rio, but he's been the WHC way too often, and for too long. That ridiculous feud with Sheamus last year was what really soured people here on him. The first two months, they actually had a feud with Sheamus stealing Del Rio's car. As well as some other silly things. Then for some stupid reason, they gave up and stop giving storylines to their matches and kept throwing them at each other because they realized they messed up and didn't have enough credible midcarders to fight for the WHC. Really, I think Del Rio would be a lot better off if they only could have done away with that belt after the brand split ended. Because then he would have had actual reasons for wrestling, and wouldn't be stuck in a dead-end feud with one person.
Another thing I think unfortunately sank Del Rio were Sin Cara and Rey's injuries. They wanted to gather the Latino market, so I think they kept putting the belt on him so that Rey or Sin Cara would come back and win it off him. But Rey's injuries were more serious than anyone thought, and Sin Cara sadly couldn't get used to WWE's style. I think that helps explain a lot, if I'm correct.
Thankfully, he's more than likely losing to Cena at Survivor Series, and signs point to Sandow or someone else feuding with Cena later. Just make Del Rio a midcarder again, and this will probably be controversial for me to suggest, but I feel they should put him in a losing streak angle. The reason the Wheel of Aggression is a meme is because Del Rio keeps fighting the same five guys, with no consequences. He didn't even have a World Title match with Ryder when he beat him. They need to actually do something with him, and having him face a series of losses leading to a (good) comeback angle could help.
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Post by saintpat on Nov 14, 2013 22:05:10 GMT -5
He wasn't in the INDEEEZZZZZ. If he had spent 10 years in Chcara or pre-Sinclair ROH he'd be a God. Because he got the push they wanted for Daniel Bryan. Both of you seem to be self aware enough to know that none of this is true, so what do you gain from lying? Other than generating mildly perturbed responses like this? I 100 percent believe that if Del Rio had spent a decade in the indies he would be worshipped on the IWC and there would be daily threads about how the WWE's booking was killing him and how they don't know how to use him. Are there exceptions to this where someone with a long tenure in the indies who doesn't get over (and I think the live reactions to Del Rio are stronger than some on this thread have indicated -- he does get a lot of heat from the crowd quite often) gets the blame rather than WWE?
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Post by The Portable Stove on Nov 14, 2013 22:06:42 GMT -5
Counterpoint, Corey Graves. Do not like, have not seen many singing his praises in NXT or as Sterling James Keenan.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Nov 14, 2013 22:10:43 GMT -5
I 100 percent believe that if Del Rio had spent a decade in the indies he would be worshipped on the IWC and there would be daily threads about how the WWE's booking was killing him and how they don't know how to use him. I don't disagree, but I think this is more an indication of how smarks excuse the flaws of guys they overrated back in the little leagues (like, say, Cesaro's giant swing, which would be derided as the gimmicky comedy spot being run into the ground that it is if it was somebody like Ezekial Jackson doing it, every bit as dull and talentless as Cesaro but without the same past). Del Rio isn't being criticized because he isn't an internet darling. He's being criticized because he sucks, AND he doesn't have enough internet darling cred to make people overlook his suckitude.
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Post by BigBadZ on Nov 14, 2013 22:13:11 GMT -5
He wasn't in the INDEEEZZZZZ. If he had spent 10 years in Chcara or pre-Sinclair ROH he'd be a God. Because he got the push they wanted for Daniel Bryan. Both of you seem to be self aware enough to know that none of this is true, so what do you gain from lying? Other than generating mildly perturbed responses like this? Because you can only say "If CM Punk did it, it would be okay" so many times.....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2013 22:14:45 GMT -5
Both of you seem to be self aware enough to know that none of this is true, so what do you gain from lying? Other than generating mildly perturbed responses like this? I 100 percent believe that if Del Rio had spent a decade in the indies he would be worshipped on the IWC and there would be daily threads about how the WWE's booking was killing him and how they don't know how to use him. Are there exceptions to this where someone with a long tenure in the indies who doesn't get over (and I think the live reactions to Del Rio are stronger than some on this thread have indicated -- he does get a lot of heat from the crowd quite often) gets the blame rather than WWE? The odd thing is that in a way he was in lesser recognised wrestling for years before he came to North American soil, I appreciate that many people don't recognise that the Dos Caras Jnr name had such value enough to crossover into MMA and such, but I don't really believe people do think he's a lesser wrestler for his lack of NA independent work.
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Post by saintpat on Nov 14, 2013 22:14:57 GMT -5
Counterpoint, Corey Graves. Do not like, have not seen many singing his praises in NXT or as Sterling James Keenan. Half his time in the indies was in the UK, right? So basically I'd say most people -- even among those who follow such things -- had any idea he existed. He didn't make the rounds on the major U.S. indy circuit stops to get the exposure that leads to that kind of IWC support.
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Post by mystikz on Nov 14, 2013 22:16:43 GMT -5
Everything about him. I just hate him. Every time he comes on I just stop watching.
Same old shit each time. I don't care about his destiny, or how many times they force him into title matches.
You can predict one thing. Before he has a title match you can look forward to him having the same squash matches vs the same people. Ryder, Kofi, Truth and maybe Santino. Over and over again.
Most of all he's just boring.
I don't care for most people the IWC likes and the Indy people. Bryan won me over. Del Rio is still the same boring act.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 14, 2013 22:17:07 GMT -5
He's a good hand in the ring, but he has nothing going for him enough to justify his perpetual push. That's the issue. In a world where others have been de-pushed and shuffled down the card, Del Rio still maintains his exact lofty position despite there being no logical business reason as to why. exactly this. should be framed so we have a ready answer the next time this question comes up. being a good hand in the ring is nowhere near enough, especially when there are several guys who are still just plain better than you. if being able to wrestle a competent if unremarkable match was all you needed to get over, Curtis Axel would be a 10 time world champ right now.
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