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Post by Milkman Norm on Mar 11, 2014 20:38:21 GMT -5
What does that dude in tap out shirts who yells "at them" think?
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 11, 2014 20:48:18 GMT -5
I don't know.
However, so far, all the real evidence points to no.
Prove they are and there's a million bucks in it for you, just from Randi.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 11, 2014 20:51:58 GMT -5
No. No, they're not. Ever notice how everyone that has seen a ghost or some sort of paranormal activity always seems to have several stories? These people are either compulsive liars or really gullible IMO. It's not that, it's just that only people who believe in them see them. Same as only people who believe in Oujia Boards have freaky experiences and won't listen to a damn thing that Parker Brother's isn't making haunted board games and we've known exactly how they work since the 30's. Or maybe 20's. There's other things, which I won't mention, that only happen to believe who believe in it. It's odd how that works out.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 11, 2014 21:11:59 GMT -5
Cognitive bias is powerful.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2014 21:20:45 GMT -5
I have trouble believing in things that cant be scientifically explained, but whatever it was in the house i used to live in that would violently throw my door open in the middle of the night, do strange things with electronics, and cause audible footsteps that multiple people could hear and point to the location of certainly made a strong case.
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Post by nm on Mar 11, 2014 21:22:47 GMT -5
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 11, 2014 21:27:26 GMT -5
I have trouble believing in things that cant be scientifically explained, but whatever it was in the house i used to live in that would violently throw my door open in the middle of the night, do strange things with electronics, and cause audible footsteps that multiple people could hear and point to the location of certainly made a strong case. Not unless all of those don't have better explanations. Radio signals are all f***ed up around me. I can improve radio reception by grabbing the antenna. I screw up radio signals if I walk past an otherwise perfectly clear signal. When I go past certain street lights go out, if they're off, they come on. It's often enough to note it. Is it I am having some interaction with them or is it I notice totally random occurrences often and have ignored the millions of times that doesn't happen? Why do ghosts have nothing better to do than open doors? Make things fall off shelves? They never impart universal wisdom. Grandma comes back and says she loves you. How unhelpful. If ghosts are real, they're terribly boring.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Mar 11, 2014 21:36:07 GMT -5
No. No, they're not. Ever notice how everyone that has seen a ghost or some sort of paranormal activity always seems to have several stories? These people are either compulsive liars or really gullible IMO. I have one ghost story. ONE. So are you saying I'm gullible or a liar? I don't give a shit if anyone believed me or not, but I'll never forget what happened. Truly f***ed up. I've never met anybody IRL that had just one story but I believe you. Let me clarify here that I do believe in weird shit like preminitions, predicting shit in dreams and fate...but I just don't believe that you or anyone else has ever seen a ghost. That's totally my opinion, but I just don't believe in them. I WANT them to be real, and I've actively put myself in spooky situations, I've just never seen any evidence. At all. Yet somehow, all of my friends have seen multiple ghosts or shadow men.
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Mar 11, 2014 21:36:43 GMT -5
Sort of. I don't believe in ghosts, but I believe that most hauntings are based on science. Specifically ELF, extremely low frequency sound. This has shown to have effect on humans including audio hallucinations, and feeling of dread and paranoia. As for UFO... Not unless all of those don't have better explanations. Radio signals are all f***ed up around me. I can improve radio reception by grabbing the antenna. I screw up radio signals if I walk past an otherwise perfectly clear signal. When I go past certain street lights go out, if they're off, they come on. It's often enough to note it. Is it I am having some interaction with them or is it I notice totally random occurrences often and have ignored the millions of times that doesn't happen? Why do ghosts have nothing better to do than open doors? Make things fall off shelves? They never impart universal wisdom. Grandma comes back and says she loves you. How unhelpful. If ghosts are real, they're terribly boring. You likely have a stronger EM field around you. There is mostly only anecdotal evidence about this, and it is all correlation, which is not causation. Yanno, cause to effectively test it might be harmful to you.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 11, 2014 21:46:08 GMT -5
Sort of. I don't believe in ghosts, but I believe that most hauntings are based on science. Specifically ELF, extremely low frequency sound. This has shown to have effect on humans including audio hallucinations, and feeling of dread and paranoia. As for UFO... Not unless all of those don't have better explanations. Radio signals are all f***ed up around me. I can improve radio reception by grabbing the antenna. I screw up radio signals if I walk past an otherwise perfectly clear signal. When I go past certain street lights go out, if they're off, they come on. It's often enough to note it. Is it I am having some interaction with them or is it I notice totally random occurrences often and have ignored the millions of times that doesn't happen? Why do ghosts have nothing better to do than open doors? Make things fall off shelves? They never impart universal wisdom. Grandma comes back and says she loves you. How unhelpful. If ghosts are real, they're terribly boring. You likely have a stronger EM field around you. There is mostly only anecdotal evidence about this, and it is all correlation, which is not causation. Yanno, cause to effectively test it might be harmful to you. Maybe, but I've never seen any EM studies, mostly related to ghostbusters, which wasn't transparently full of shit.
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Post by Essential1 on Mar 11, 2014 21:52:41 GMT -5
I thought to myself if they were real I'd have seen them by now since I turned 30 the other day. Then I see these pics that used to interest me as a kid on the net and obviously people can photoshop easily now but some of the older ones still look creepy and interesting.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Mar 11, 2014 21:59:03 GMT -5
I have one ghost story. ONE. So are you saying I'm gullible or a liar? I don't give a shit if anyone believed me or not, but I'll never forget what happened. Truly f***ed up. So what happened? It's late, so I'll post about it tomorrow.
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Mar 11, 2014 22:04:21 GMT -5
Well, everyone has an electromagnetic field. It's not exactly gonna make your Electro or anything. Enough to mess up reception is pretty likely.
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Post by Glitch on Mar 11, 2014 22:31:58 GMT -5
I have trouble believing in things that cant be scientifically explained, but whatever it was in the house i used to live in that would violently throw my door open in the middle of the night, do strange things with electronics, and cause audible footsteps that multiple people could hear and point to the location of certainly made a strong case. Not unless all of those don't have better explanations. Radio signals are all f***ed up around me. I can improve radio reception by grabbing the antenna. I screw up radio signals if I walk past an otherwise perfectly clear signal. When I go past certain street lights go out, if they're off, they come on. It's often enough to note it. Is it I am having some interaction with them or is it I notice totally random occurrences often and have ignored the millions of times that doesn't happen? Why do ghosts have nothing better to do than open doors? Make things fall off shelves? They never impart universal wisdom. Grandma comes back and says she loves you. How unhelpful. If ghosts are real, they're terribly boring. They also seem to have nothing better to do than to talk to douchebags on tv in order to make them rich. And of course the ghosts seem to mumble at first but then get crystal clear once a person is found who lost a loved one.
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Post by Red Impact on Mar 11, 2014 22:34:21 GMT -5
I really, really want to believe so. I've always been big into the paranormal and the supernatural. I grew up on shows like Sightings and Unsolved Mysteries and as a kid it just seemed to surreal to hear all these encounters happening to average, everyday people. Even friends I grew up with have told me about having supernatural encounters. That being said, I've never experienced anything for myself and I truly hope I do before I die. When it comes to things like ghosts, Bigfoot, Loch Ness, extraterrestrials, I can perfectly understand people's skepticism. But millions of people have experienced something that can't be explained. Are all of them liars? Are all of them just making stuff up for attention? Are all of them victims of bizarre coincidences? Frankly, I'm just not close minded and arrogant enough to say "it's all BS." The problem with the last point isn't accepting that they all have experiences that they can't explain. A lot of people have, it's accepting those particular explanations as opposed to anything else. I have no doubt that a lot of campers see movement in the forest that they can't explain, but it's a long way from that and saying it's close-minded if you don't believe that alone is sufficient proof that Bigfoot exists. But Loch Ness was always a hoax and you totally can call BS on that one, since the lake has been explored many times and the original photo was proven to be fake.
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Post by Evilution E5150 on Mar 11, 2014 22:39:28 GMT -5
Ghosts are real, Zak Baggans told me
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 11, 2014 22:51:17 GMT -5
When it comes to things like ghosts, Bigfoot, Loch Ness, extraterrestrials, I can perfectly understand people's skepticism. But millions of people have experienced something that can't be explained. Are all of them liars? Are all of them just making stuff up for attention? Are all of them victims of bizarre coincidences? Frankly, I'm just not close minded and arrogant enough to say "it's all BS." You kind of miss the point. Something you can't explain isn't evidence for Bigfoot or Loch Ness, or E.T. Just because you can't explain it, doesn't mean there isn't a totally rational explanation for it.
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Post by Goldenbane on Mar 11, 2014 23:48:28 GMT -5
When it comes to things like ghosts, Bigfoot, Loch Ness, extraterrestrials, I can perfectly understand people's skepticism. But millions of people have experienced something that can't be explained. Are all of them liars? Are all of them just making stuff up for attention? Are all of them victims of bizarre coincidences? Frankly, I'm just not close minded and arrogant enough to say "it's all BS." You kind of miss the point. Something you can't explain isn't evidence for Bigfoot or Loch Ness, or E.T. Just because you can't explain it, doesn't mean there isn't a totally rational explanation for it. But at the same time, not having enough information about something isn't enough to scream "SCIENCE! It's not real!" I have no clue how being a ghost works...maybe when a person dies they get a minute and a half every 150 years or something. Scientific advancements haven't been around long enough to test such a theory. I just keep an open mind. If someone proves they exist, I'll be fine with that. If someone proves they absolutely do not, I'll be fine with that too. Even if someone proves that they exist, or that every single one of them has been gas pipes or whatever, I'd be fine with that as well I just want proof one way or the other and it's just easier for me to keep an open mind.
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Post by Jimichiro Likes Erick Rowan on Mar 11, 2014 23:51:19 GMT -5
Rereading things, I don't think I posted my last point correctly. All I'm saying is I don't think every single solitary person who's had an encounter with the supernatural is lying or batshit crazy.
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Post by The Trashman on Mar 11, 2014 23:52:54 GMT -5
Havent seen one yet but not going to rule it out.
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