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Post by Welfare Willis on Mar 12, 2014 14:49:23 GMT -5
Sure, provide me the millions and millions and millions of dollars for which I can buy equipment, travel to the places that may or may not be haunted, stay there, eat, and all that, and I'll chase ghosts for as long as you want. Oh, but you better spend millions of more dollars on a group to check my work in case I'm faking, and millions of more dollars after that to get a group to check THEM to make sure they aren't faking and so on and so forth. There are tons of "ghost hunter" people out there, some seem (to me anyway) to be credible scientists, and some seem to be full of BS. Some of the legit hunters get some info that seem to point to ghosts being real, and some get info that point to ghosts are fake. Who's right? Who's wrong? There's layers upon layers. I prefer to say "Maybe, I don't know" rather than conform to any definite answer. Not one "ghosthunter" has provided any evidence that can't be explained away in 30 seconds by someone who knows what they're talking about. Orbs are always lens flare. EVP is Auditory pareidolia, interference from other sources. The goofs running around in "haunted" houses looking for magnetic fields, somehow always find them near magnetic sources, who'da thunk it??! One hand doesn't wash the other. Science isn't strictly dogmatic, I mean, it does cling to things that aren't true sometimes, but eventually that falls away and we arrive at new theories and ideas (BTW, theory doesn't mean guess or idea, for instance it's *only* a theory that Earth revolves around the Sun). No current answer isn't a point in favour of the supernatural. It was already said, the burden of proof falls on the believer, not the skeptic or person who denies. I don't have to disprove ghosts, fairies, witches, zombies, goblins and Leprechauns, you have to offer proof that holds up. "Maybe" isn't really valid. Maybe ghosts exist, maybe not. Anecdotal evidence is not evidence. No matter how many times you say you've seen a nope, I can still say, you're wrong. Until you prove it. Maybe that seems unfair to you, but that's how it works. Not every idea or opinion is just as valid just because you express it. That goes for everyone, that's why we test and investigate things. Well said Cole.
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Post by Hakumental on Mar 12, 2014 15:12:55 GMT -5
I love a good ghost story, but that's where they've always stayed for me. This is not a particularly aggressive stance, mind you - until a ghost is convicted of a homicide or a misdemeanor*, I don't really think the subject needs to be investigated.
*(I know, I know. Florida.)
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Post by Kash Flagg on Mar 12, 2014 15:48:03 GMT -5
Ok, my ghost story. Like Ripley used to say...believe it or not.
Near my hometown in Bowling Green Kentucky there is a small stone flatbridge off of a beaten path. No rails or anything and the water is just deep enough to sink a car. Apparently the story goes that one night a woman drove off that bridge into the water and drowned. They (who they is I don't know) say that if you go at night, around the time she died, put the car in neutral, and turn off the engine that the ghost of this woman will "push" your car across to safety.
Me and my best buddy at the time decided to test this out. By the way, I was around 21 at the time so this is 15 years ago.
First, we went to the bridge during the day to make sure that the bridge was actually level and not slanted. We tested it out several different ways but sure enough, the bridge was completely level.
Before we went back around 10pm that night, we decided to wash his white cavalier so that it was spotless and so we could eliminate handprints that might already be on there.
So we drove out there, got to the center of the bridge and then put it in neutral, and turned the engine off. We sat there for a moment before the car started to slowly roll forward. Once it got to the end of the bridge (which wasn't far, but seemed like an eternity to us) , we quickly turned the engine on and got the hell out of dodge.
After catching our breath again, we decided to stop at a convenience store. We investigated the car and...I shit you not here...there were two female sized handprints on the back window and fingernail scratches on the trunk that weren't there before.
We were not drinking,nor using any other kind of drug when this happened. Needless to say we never went back there.
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Post by machomuta on Mar 12, 2014 16:17:43 GMT -5
Prove they are and there's a million bucks in it for you, just from Randi. I really doubt, that he would pay any money, even if the ghost was right in front of him. James Randi is a professional skeptic and is so closed-minded, that he wouldnt even pay a cent. His million bucks challenge is nothing more then a PR stunt.
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Post by Essential1 on Mar 12, 2014 16:42:01 GMT -5
It's things like this that make me wonder as I don't believe two people could imagine something like this. It's weird if they do...I mean how could they do such damage?
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Post by Red Impact on Mar 12, 2014 16:52:14 GMT -5
Prove they are and there's a million bucks in it for you, just from Randi. I really doubt, that he would pay any money, even if the ghost was right in front of him. James Randi is a professional skeptic and is so closed-minded, that he wouldnt even pay a cent. His million bucks challenge is nothing more then a PR stunt. Whether you believe he would or not, you wouldn't need him. If someone had verifiable evidence that ghosts existed, they've pretty much be set for life.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Mar 12, 2014 18:48:30 GMT -5
No, and like, my reasoning goes into religious territory. Personally, I'm surprised this is even here.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Mar 12, 2014 19:03:46 GMT -5
Why? There's been 5 pages with nothing about religion in it.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 12, 2014 20:24:42 GMT -5
Prove they are and there's a million bucks in it for you, just from Randi. I really doubt, that he would pay any money, even if the ghost was right in front of him. James Randi is a professional skeptic and is so closed-minded, that he wouldnt even pay a cent. His million bucks challenge is nothing more then a PR stunt. Well, it's not. Go check out the banking statements, they're on-line. Just because no one has even come close to performing the actual test, mostly because they can't do anything, doesn't mean it's not real. Remember, so far, he can do every last thing they claim to do using tricks. So, he eliminates those things. If you what you do is real, it fits in science, maybe as yet undiscovered, but it will follow the rules we've established as science. Sorry.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Mar 13, 2014 1:30:45 GMT -5
If ghosts are real why are there never any cavemen ghosts or a ghost with an afro and flares from the 70s . Victorian era people sure like becoming ghosts. Came in here to say this, also we're even racist in our ghost sightings, you only hear about a black ghost when it's a slave or something like that. Also why limit it to humans? Where are the ghosts of all the dinosaurs wiped out? What about all the cows, chickens and pigs that are slaughtered every day? I'd say if anyone has a right to be pissed off it's them! I know some people hear the ghosts of their dead pets but isn't it weird how it's only their own pets they hear. I don't believe in them and I've never experienced anything....much more likely any strange sightings etc can be put down to that big organ in our heads we have yet to fully understand. There are plenty of stories of ghosts of slaves out there.
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Post by ICBM on Mar 13, 2014 6:46:34 GMT -5
Ok, my ghost story. Like Ripley used to say...believe it or not. Near my hometown in Bowling Green Kentucky there is a small stone flatbridge off of a beaten path. No rails or anything and the water is just deep enough to sink a car. Apparently the story goes that one night a woman drove off that bridge into the water and drowned. They (who they is I don't know) say that if you go at night, around the time she died, put the car in neutral, and turn off the engine that the ghost of this woman will "push" your car across to safety. Me and my best buddy at the time decided to test this out. By the way, I was around 21 at the time so this is 15 years ago. First, we went to the bridge during the day to make sure that the bridge was actually level and not slanted. We tested it out several different ways but sure enough, the bridge was completely level. Before we went back around 10pm that night, we decided to wash his white cavalier so that it was spotless and so we could eliminate handprints that might already be on there. So we drove out there, got to the center of the bridge and then put it in neutral, and turned the engine off. We sat there for a moment before the car started to slowly roll forward. Once it got to the end of the bridge (which wasn't far, but seemed like an eternity to us) , we quickly turned the engine on and got the hell out of dodge. After catching our breath again, we decided to stop at a convenience store. We investigated the car and...I shit you not here...there were two female sized handprints on the back window and fingernail scratches on the trunk that weren't there before. We were not drinking,nor using any other kind of drug when this happened. Needless to say we never went back there. Kash, I'm sure you are telling a true story about what you and a friend did based on a popular local legend. Thing is I am skeptical because this same legend is told in at least two other places I have lived about a rail road crossing and school bus full of kids. What I am getting to is I do not truely believe in ghosts. I think we want to and we allow our minds to create things that aren't there. I have a ghost story experience of my own. But I can easily explain how the setting, rumors, other people's stories in the same place and my outright boredom created the tapestry that was my encounter. I used to think it was a ghost but far more likely, I fell for my own mind's trick because somewhere in me I wanted to experience something extraordinary. Things happen that are difficult to explain because we cannot conceive of how exactly it happened. A picture falls off the wall and we don't know why. Maybe we don't know that that part of the drywall was the last panel a contractor hung or patched that day and it had a defect and is weak so nails don't like staying in place when the a/c kicks on. A ghost screwing with you is a far more sexy story than the perfect storm of minor coincidence that is the likely truth. I could be 100% wrong and maybe one day that will be proven. But until it is, I'm going to believe that it is all somehow explainable
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Mar 13, 2014 8:49:14 GMT -5
I believe in ghosts but I also think they're all completely harmless.
I do hate the bullshit shows like Most Haunted though... and I think these mediums who claim to sense cold spots or commune with the dead are completely full of it. Ghosts in my opinion are just images of people from the past, nothing more.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Mar 13, 2014 11:45:11 GMT -5
G-g-g-g-g-ghosts!?!?!?!?
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on Mar 13, 2014 16:51:08 GMT -5
Came in here to say this, also we're even racist in our ghosts sightings, you only hear about a black ghost when it's a slave or something like that. Also why limit it to humans? Where are the ghosts of all the dinosaurs wiped out? What about all the cows, chickens and pigs that are slaughtered every day? I'd say if anyone has a right to be pissed off it's them! I know some people hear the ghosts of their dead pets but isn't it weird how it's only their own pets they hear. I don't believe in them and I've never experienced anything....much more likely any strange sightings etc can be put down to that big organ in our heads we have yet to fully understand. There are plenty of stories of ghosts of slaves out there. Oh I know that's what I was saying, when you hear about the sighting of a black ghost it's always a slave or former servant or something like that. Our ghost sightings are institutionally racist!
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Post by Blindkarevik on Mar 13, 2014 21:08:15 GMT -5
This is my stance on it.
I want ghosts to be real.
I want to believe in them.
I want to have my own stories to tell through experience.
However, I have not had any experiences. So I can't say I fully believe.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Mar 13, 2014 22:48:00 GMT -5
I think there's a possibility. I've never been anywhere that was supposed to be haunted for very long so who knows? I don't get why some scientists don't just check out the supposedly "most haunted" areas. Screw the burden of proof, if ghosts truly don't exist than they can prove they aren't much faster. Letting ghost hunters continue on with their "findings" is just going to go on forever.
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Post by Essential1 on Mar 14, 2014 0:57:51 GMT -5
How can they just show up randomly though if true. Why do they like photographs?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 14, 2014 4:15:31 GMT -5
The main reason scientists don't do that is that a)it'd be a waste of time and resources. Since there is no evidence to be found, at all of any use, they'd be going there for nothing. Furthermore, for anything to be scientifically valid, said non-existent evidence would have to be collected and tested multiple times under controlled circumstances. That's not gonna happen.
And all that leads us to b) It wouldn't matter. Cuz when dealing with something like this, you're dealing with belief. People would ignore the findings and continue right on believing anyway. At best, you might get them to concede that particular place wasn't haunted, but you'll never touch their belief as a whole.
It'd be a waste of time, resources, and money in a fruitless effort by all involved.
And to put it more cut and dried, why go look for something that isn't there? There's no value in doubly disproving something, particularly when believers would just dismiss the study anyway.
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Post by paulbearer on Mar 20, 2014 23:02:36 GMT -5
Chris Walken : "I promise you darling, there’s no ghosts around here, so you’re safe"
Maxine Walken : "That’s good because I hate ghosts. They’re spooky and I don’t respond well to spooky behavior"
(Walken family reunion , SNL)
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Post by No Name is needed Bro Beans on Mar 21, 2014 0:03:52 GMT -5
Im one of those skeptic types so I say no.
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