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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 8:32:52 GMT -5
Here we go, another "TNA sucks" thread. Hmm. Well, to be honest I can understand the sentiment of what you're saying, but I really have to ask - how does this add anything to a discussion about TNA? Yes, it is a thread criticizing (or rather discussing a quote from Meltzer) something TNA did, but just posting "another TNA SUCKS thread" doesn't exactly counterpoint or come at the issue from another perspective.
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Post by TK The Friendly Robot on Apr 17, 2014 8:35:27 GMT -5
Here we go, another "TNA sucks" thread. Is it at all possible for any of us to have legitimate complaints about TNA with you immediately dismissing it as blind hate? I'm sorry dude but you're wrong. The overwhelming majority of people that saw last week's Impact were noting the similarities between that angle and the Bryan angle, right down to the CM Punk/Samoa Joe comparison, from basically the first segment. How is the "underdog" that has a special place in the heart of the fans having an injury and being put into a position to win two matches and the title in one night because someone walked out before the underdog ultimately triumphs in the end not literally the exact same story? You know "Tone of Voice" in real life and how the way things are said really effect those situations. Well the tone of these threads are usually snarky and condescending. You're right there is legitimate complaints to be made, TNA f***ing blows right now. It's pretty dang horrible. I know. Though I still don't think it's fair that in a subsection for TNA, where most TNA supporters are going to be, that most people come in like king douche bag trying to make their snide snipey comments and make those who do like the product feel bad. There is a lot more of those with complaints about TNA than not, we don't need to come in here and make a thousand posts saying the same thing, we all know, at least half of us should leave it alone, it's not as if we're saying something that isn't being said.
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Post by AnActualBear on Apr 17, 2014 8:40:38 GMT -5
Here we go, another "TNA sucks" thread. Why do you think that is though? I'm asking a genuine question. Because to me the answer is obvious: the majority of wrestling fans see TNA as a joke. You can't expect people to only say nice things about them, the world doesn't work like that. They are an entertainment company producing 2 hours of TV every week, and we as consumers have every right to expect certain things of them. Therefore, when they fail (which is pretty much their entire existence with the exception of a year or 2), people get angry because they want TNA to be good. If you want a forum where everyone is a gigantic TNA mark, go and find one. They exist. If you want generally unbiased and balanced discussion from wrestling fans who just want the best product possible, then you have to expect dissenting opinions, particularly when said company fails to live up to expectations.
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Post by Orange on Apr 17, 2014 10:45:39 GMT -5
I just have to question whether or not people would be having this discussion if EY didn't have a beard. That seems to be one of the hangups about this thing; they put it on the bearded guy. I'm not here to argue whether they ripped off Bryan's story because this is pro wrestling and every story has been taken and rehashed 20 times over, but it seems like the main thing here is the fact that they're both bearded. I dont think its just the beard. Or just the quick way he was put in the main event. Or just the shoulder injury. Or just the thing about the fans. Or just the whole "I don't look like a champion" thing from EY. I genuinely believe if it would have been just a couple of those things the backlash wouldn't have been so bad, but all of them combined a week after WM....it was too much for it all to be a coincidence. Agreed; as I said in the thread a while back the timing is definitely very suspect, but I've heard more about the beard being the definitive thing that made it a ripoff over any other element in the angle. It makes it seem like the beard is the main hangup rather than the other things that make a better case for ripoff. I know some said that this has been set up to happen for a while (EY winning the title for Magnus), but because I haven't been watching wrestling at all for the last few months I can't speak about that. Either way I hope the belt ends up on Joe eventually; dude deserves it again.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 10:52:42 GMT -5
I dont think its just the beard. Or just the quick way he was put in the main event. Or just the shoulder injury. Or just the thing about the fans. Or just the whole "I don't look like a champion" thing from EY. I genuinely believe if it would have been just a couple of those things the backlash wouldn't have been so bad, but all of them combined a week after WM....it was too much for it all to be a coincidence. Agreed; as I said in the thread a while back the timing is definitely very suspect, but I've heard more about the beard being the definitive thing that made it a ripoff over any other element in the angle. It makes it seem like the beard is the main hangup rather than the other things that make a better case for ripoff. I know some said that this has been set up to happen for a while (EY winning the title for Magnus), but because I haven't been watching wrestling at all for the last few months I can't speak about that. Either way I hope the belt ends up on Joe eventually; dude deserves it again. I see what you're saying. I definitely think the beard has become the focal point as kind of the "straw that broke the camel's back" kind of thing. Like, they did all this other stuff AND the beard too!!? haha, but I actually think EY had full beard before Bryan.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Apr 17, 2014 11:07:47 GMT -5
My biggest problem with it that it happened so sudden without any real buildup. Eric Young, who won less matches than anyone active on the roster and resident comedy jobber/fodder, is speed tracked to the main event scene. Take away the beard and you still got way too many similarities to Bryan's Mania win vs Ey's TNA title victory. TNA could had went original and had EY injured his knee or neck before the match. They could built upon the battle royal win and gave EY some convincing wins before the ppv. They could had EY lose a close match against Magnus and built that up for a rematch with EY putting his career on the line at Sacrifice. Anything would been better than what they did. EY isn't elevated just because he won the title. Ask Chris Sabin how his career went after winning. Magnus is basically Barry Horowitz with a posse. Unless you're big fans of one of both of these guys, why do you want to see a rematch?
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Post by benstudd on Apr 17, 2014 11:42:23 GMT -5
This has been going on for a while. Remember Magnus being the Chosen One a la Randy Orton and the two titles? Hell Magnus even has a bad-looking short beard like Orton.
If it's not Gaburick having no originality whatsoever, the only way I could explain it would be for Dixie to summon Gaburick in her office with the TV opened at RAW and saying "Do that".
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Post by bluemeii on Apr 17, 2014 12:51:38 GMT -5
Here we go, another "TNA sucks" thread. Honestly....yeah they basically do right now. Maybe they'll actually put something out that the vocal majority on this board will enjoy and they'll be less "TNA sucks" threads in the future. If the majority of people don't like what they are seeing, are they just supposed to grit their teeth, smile, and chant "TNA TNA TNA?" In my opinion it's been this way for a while. They have one bankable star, one guy a casual fan flipping channels can look at and go "hey I know him", but they got him parading around in a mask and talking like he sucks helium before his promos. I've said this before, it just feels like I'm watching a cheaper, knockoff version of RAW. Give us something different.......PLEASE!!!!
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Post by JTG Fan on Apr 17, 2014 12:55:36 GMT -5
This has been going on for a while. Remember Magnus being the Chosen One a la Randy Orton and the two titles? Hell Magnus even has a bad-looking short beard like Orton. If it's not Gaburick having no originality whatsoever, the only way I could explain it would be for Dixie to summon Gaburick in her office with the TV opened at RAW and saying "Do that". Don't forget AJ Styles winning the TNA Title just as his contract expires and him defiantly leaving his asshole boss high and dry, only to return to challenge the newly crowned World Champion in a unification match.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 13:03:19 GMT -5
The sad thing is, people would still deny that they completely ripped off the Daniel Bryan storyline. I will f***ing die if he defends against Abyss at Sacrifice. Oh dude, no. Don't die for nothing, Magiconz......
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Apr 17, 2014 13:23:07 GMT -5
This has been going on for a while. Remember Magnus being the Chosen One a la Randy Orton and the two titles? Hell Magnus even has a bad-looking short beard like Orton. If it's not Gaburick having no originality whatsoever, the only way I could explain it would be for Dixie to summon Gaburick in her office with the TV opened at RAW and saying "Do that". That actually seemed more like when Rock first won the title in 1998 than the Orton thing last year. The boss(Dixie) made it seem like she was rooting for one person to win(Hardy), but when he turned her down, she ended up helping the other(Magnus) win the title. Hell, Magnus, just like Rock, was 27 when he won his first World Title & he dressed more like Rock, wearing nice clothes & suits.
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Post by Orange on Apr 17, 2014 13:26:21 GMT -5
I agree that the EY thing is a ripoff because of all the reasons stated, but I think we're splitting hairs here using facial hair and clothes as a way to say one company ripped off the other for these other angles. In wrestling everything's been done 20 times over and it'd just be redundant to find all the times TNA has ripped of WWE, who ripped off WCW who ripped off NWA etc. etc.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 13:53:25 GMT -5
LOL this is great, TNA has been playing copycat of week old WWE stuff for quite some time now. However wasn't aware they made EY the champ until this thread. This takes it to another level.
My guess for the next "big" Dixie announcement - Total Knockouts coming to Ustream.
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Post by grunt on Apr 17, 2014 18:40:49 GMT -5
Don't forget AJ Styles winning the TNA Title just as his contract expires and him defiantly leaving his asshole boss high and dry, only to return to challenge the newly crowned World Champion in a unification match. There's no denying that TNA replayed the Summer of Punk (well, not "replayed", since the WWE version of it was a fail, but "recycled" the overall idea, which anyway predated Punk) with AJ, but I fail to see how the whole unification angle is in any way, shape or form a valid point in your argumentation, given the fact that it was the natural conclusion to the entire AJ angle which was setup months in advance (way before WWE suddenly decided to unify their brands), and that the actual match was even taped before the WWE Unification match.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Apr 17, 2014 18:47:12 GMT -5
Don't forget AJ Styles winning the TNA Title just as his contract expires and him defiantly leaving his asshole boss high and dry, only to return to challenge the newly crowned World Champion in a unification match. There's no denying that TNA replayed the Summer of Punk (well, not "replayed", since the WWE version of it was a fail, but "recycled" the overall idea, which anyway predated Punk) with AJ, but I fail to see how the whole unification angle is in any way, shape or form a valid point in your argumentation, given the fact that it was the natural conclusion to the entire AJ angle which was setup months in advance (way before WWE suddenly decided to unify their brands), and that the actual match was even taped before the WWE Unification match. Well the whole unification thing was kinda the end of the Summer of Punk angle as well but I'll concede that I don't think that is what people are thinking about in this instance.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Apr 17, 2014 19:09:48 GMT -5
I often think people are overly critical of Impact but when I watched last week's episode, even my 15-year old sister, who is as casual as casual fans get (she's watched the Rumble, 'Mania, One RAW and this Impact in 2014 so far - hardly a diehard fan), noted the similarities between what happened last week and the Bryan storyline. When somebody that far removed from the inner workings of pro wrestling can pick it up it makes it indefensible and makes you come off as much of a cheap knock-off as possible.
I don't necessarily have a problem with EY as Champ (I'd have never booked him to be Champ but I could handle it) but the way this whole thing came about is the most embarassing thing TNA has done in a long time. He hasn't been built up whatsoever until the past few weeks and the storyline was a basic replacation of something that was achieved in a much better and coherent fashion on a much grander stage less than a week ago. It's sad that TNA feel this is the best way to book their World Title scene really. Especially when you consider what a good position they were in as a company less than two years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 22:24:49 GMT -5
I just have to question whether or not people would be having this discussion if EY didn't have a beard. That seems to be one of the hangups about this thing; they put it on the bearded guy. I'm not here to argue whether they ripped off Bryan's story because this is pro wrestling and every story has been taken and rehashed 20 times over, but it seems like the main thing here is the fact that they're both bearded. It's not necessarily the beard, it's the notion that "you don't look like a star". And tonight on Impact they were pushing that, hard. Dixie even referenced WWE with her "I invented the beard being a cool thing and I should get royalties from all the people ripping me off" line. It's like they were clarifying that they're blatantly ripping it off, just in case you wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt. There is zero doubt that they're ripping WWE with this.
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Post by JTG Fan on Apr 17, 2014 22:30:54 GMT -5
There's no denying that TNA replayed the Summer of Punk (well, not "replayed", since the WWE version of it was a fail, but "recycled" the overall idea, which anyway predated Punk) with AJ, but I fail to see how the whole unification angle is in any way, shape or form a valid point in your argumentation, given the fact that it was the natural conclusion to the entire AJ angle which was setup months in advance (way before WWE suddenly decided to unify their brands), and that the actual match was even taped before the WWE Unification match. Well the whole unification thing was kinda the end of the Summer of Punk angle as well but I'll concede that I don't think that is what people are thinking about in this instance. That is what I was referring to, the SummerSlam 2011 match between Punk and Cena set up by Punk returning and claiming to be the real WWE Champion. Same thing happened with AJ and Magnus after they already ripped off the first part.
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Post by Doctor Of Style on Apr 17, 2014 22:32:33 GMT -5
I just have to question whether or not people would be having this discussion if EY didn't have a beard. That seems to be one of the hangups about this thing; they put it on the bearded guy. I'm not here to argue whether they ripped off Bryan's story because this is pro wrestling and every story has been taken and rehashed 20 times over, but it seems like the main thing here is the fact that they're both bearded. It's not necessarily the beard, it's the notion that "you don't look like a star". And tonight on Impact they were pushing that, hard. Dixie even referenced WWE with her "I invented the beard being a cool thing and I should get royalties from all the people ripping me off" line. It's like they were clarifying that they're blatantly ripping it off, just in case you wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt. There is zero doubt that they're ripping WWE with this. They're clearly trying to corner the hobo demographic.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Apr 17, 2014 22:47:59 GMT -5
LOL this is great, TNA has been playing copycat of week old WWE stuff for quite some time now. However wasn't aware they made EY the champ until this thread. This takes it to another level. My guess for the next "big" Dixie announcement - Total Knockouts coming to Ustream. With ODB or Gail Kim as the Natalya of the group. (Really, either of them works here, I suppose.) The Beautiful People as... the Bella stand ins. The Blossom Twins that they signed awhile back being the Naomi and Cameron. And Dixie Carter herself as the Eva Marie. Because we gotta have more Dixie, of course! Britanny can be Jojo, who eventually ends up getting bumped and replaced with... I dunno... Madison Rayne, in the second season?
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