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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Apr 19, 2014 10:36:02 GMT -5
Yeah, it's a 7 year rule instead of a 7 day rule. And they couldn't even let a week pass. TNA has essentially become the Law & Order of the wrestling world: Ripped from the Headlines. Good thing TNA wasn't around in the 80's. A couple weeks after Bruiser Brody's death you see this play out on television: "Oh my god! It's Stabby Rodriguez!" "But what's he doing in the Impact Zone?!"
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Post by cabbageboy on Apr 19, 2014 14:02:41 GMT -5
Magnus/Young isn't a draw of any sort and I don't care who has the belt. Magnus had one of the single worst title runs I've ever seen. I don't recall one single match he won clean as champion. Not one. Didn't matter if it was Styles, Gunner, Joe, whoever. It always came down to Spud, Roode, Storm, etc. all running in. Think about it: MVP put him in a situation where he had to finally win a match clean (which I thought initially was the point) vs. EY, and Magnus couldn't even do that! He couldn't beat a guy that hasn't won a match in a year.
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Post by JTG Fan on Apr 19, 2014 14:12:58 GMT -5
LMFAO at the dude taking the condescending attitude about what a great idea and PPV draw it is to make Eric Young your World Champion.
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Post by kidglov3s on Apr 19, 2014 14:16:13 GMT -5
LMFAO at the dude taking the condescending attitude about what a great idea and PPV draw it is to make Eric Young your World Champion. What's f***ed up is like, TNA seemed to get it, and they were presenting an awesome product in 2012 before Aces and Eights. Solid wrestling, faces you could like, heels you could loathe. Then Aces and Eights happened and everything went to Hell and has just been spiraling out of control ever since.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Apr 19, 2014 14:21:17 GMT -5
Few things about that. Most available face... How about Jeff Hardy? It's not like this Willow thing isn't something that couldn't be tweaked to accommodate him as champion or just dropped entirely. They could have had MVP put himself in a title match for it, they seem to be turning Abyss already anyway, they could have had Eric Young or Samoa Joe win it in that four way match a couple of weeks back... Hell, they could've given it to Gunner. They didn't need to go straight to the guy who's not had a singles match that's lasted over ten minutes in over two years suddenly being able to win two matches in one night. As for Sacrifice, first off, how is Eric Young any more credible right now than Magnus is? How is Magnus suddenly more credible if he's the challenger instead of the champion, and how is Eric Young more credible as the champion than as a challenger? And either way, what's it matter because no matter what TNA can't sell a PPV that isn't Lockdown or Bound For Glroy to save their lives and even those at their best can't come close to matching December to Dismember. Plus, it's their own fault Magnus is a joke. Also, how are there no actual similarities in the storylines? I'd get it if it were just, "Bearded underdog wins the title." That would be reaching to compare it to Bryan. But to have him suffer the same injury that Bryan had been selling then half to go through the same arc of having to win two matches in one night, then go through the same trouble of an authority figure telling him he's a joke who can't be taken seriously as the face of the company, and as the biggest event in the industry that just happened a week prior, there was absolutely no way someone in TNA would've have connected the two and, if it were unintentional, at least thought to change it to an ankle injury or have EY get his shot the next week instead or something. Just small, easy things could have been tweaked to have the exact same story but more unique and instead it wound up beat for beat exactly the same as Mania. As for the question of how it'd make anyone a dime... Well, nothing TNA does makes any money. But outside of that, how did parodying / ripping off Big Dick Johnson make any money, or the Voodoo Kin Mafia's mere existence for that matter? How did Tommy Dreamer crying about how WWE tarnished ECW's legacy make any money? TNA rips off and / or insults WWE all the time for no reason other than because they can. I can't quite believe I'm bothering to respond to this. First of all, if you need it explaining why EY / Magnus is a more sellable PPV match with EY going in as champ, you're beyond help. Secondly, the idea that there are more eligible babyface champions than EY at this point is laughable. Willow? I'm not going to dignify that with a response. Joe is absent and has just come out of a feud with Magnus that *bombed*. Angle is not ready to wrestle yet. Gunner is occupied. Abyss is a heel. And you even point out yourself that EY was in a championship match two weeks ago. So he's been in the title scene and pushed as a viable underdog contender since the Impact after Lockdown. And your suggestion that they book the match for the next week rather than the same night doesn't give them enough Impacts to build the rematch before Sacrifice. And just to finish, a babyface wrestling two matches in one night, or carrying an injury (it wasn't the same injury as D-Bry), are wrestling angles as old as time. Offhand I can think of two other instances from WWE and TNA in the last few years. Yes, because the goof who hasn't been serious in years in TNA who once won the Knockouts Championship is a well known draw in TNA. The fact also remains that Young hasn't won a match in ages and suddenly we're expected to take the guy seriously as a competitor? It would be like in WWE if Santino Marella got put into a number one contender's match out of the blue, miraculously won, and then went on to win the WWE World Heavyweight Championship clean in the middle. And I disagree that it would be a match that would sell more. Because at least Magnus, as poor a champion as he was, going in with the belt might have convinced some people to pay to see Eric finally win the big one over the champion who had held it for so long. But instead he's already won the belt. So what, are we paying to see Eric Young defend the belt for the first time and prove he wasn't a fluke? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that's how proper booking works. No, TNA doesn't have anybody else right now that could really take the spot Young took, but aside from Joe that's their fault. If they had planned on taking the belt off of Magnus soon they should've been building somebody up in the meanwhile, having them get constant wins on the undercard and making themselves a force to be reckoned with. Just like they kind of did with Samoa Joe. Eric Young though hasn't won in ages aside from the recent two matches. So how are we supposed to get behind him as a viable contender? And the fact remains that the timing was way too coincidental. I might have bought that it wasn't a total rip off if they did this a month or two down the line, but they did this THE WEEK after Bryan won. Sure, there were some minor differences, but essentially it was the same story: Young won a match to earn a number one contendership match, injured his shoulder in the process, and then went on to beat Magnus clean in the middle for the championship. I'll concede it wasn't a complete rip-off because there were some minor differences, but nowhere near enough to differentiate the two angles.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 19, 2014 14:31:51 GMT -5
Ok then there have been a number of complaints coming from this thread.
So remember, people are allowed to have their own opinions and you are free to debate them.
You are NOT allowed to insult the poster for holding such opinions as incorrect as you may find them.
Thank you,
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Post by Sparkybob on Apr 19, 2014 18:41:16 GMT -5
Ok then there have been a number of complaints coming from this thread. So remember, people are allowed to have their own opinions and you are free to debate them. You are NOT allowed to insult the poster for holding such opinions as incorrect as you may find them. Thank you, Yea but maybe next week you won't be around!
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Apr 19, 2014 19:01:10 GMT -5
I honestly wish TNA would just give me (or someone else on this forum) the book. Because honestly, as much as we have no idea how to book a tv show apparently neither do they and lets face it, it would at least be fun to see if the IWC who spend every day talking about how wrestling companies should book their product would actually do if given the book. It might (probably) be a disaster but TNA's a walking disaster anyway and just taking a look at the EWR threads around here makes me think plenty of us could book the show in a more entertaining, coherent and less embarassing fashion. So seriously TNA give me the book, I'll hand in my notice at work and be in Orlando/Nashville in a couple of days .
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Post by ICBM on Apr 19, 2014 20:24:45 GMT -5
This entire thing is unfortunate because Eric is a hard worker and relly has improved to the point of being worthy of the title picture. But the correct booking of that would be vital to him working as a title contender. I did not watch the events leading up to it, but from what I've read, it came out of nowhere and is almost lick for lick the same angle WWE ran at WM. that is so harmful to EY going forward. Unless the guy absolutely kills it as champion and makes everyone forget how it happened, than the way it happened will over shadow his win and his reign. After he drops it to whoever, he will be so diminished BC of the fan backlash, I don't think they will book him in the title picture after that and at worst he could be let go within a year. I hope it does not happen that way. I hope Eric has a series of matches and angles that kills and he becomes the face of TNA organically. Of course TNA being TNA, they will wait till he starts getting a good baby face entrance pop and then force a heel switch.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 19, 2014 20:27:43 GMT -5
Ok then there have been a number of complaints coming from this thread. So remember, people are allowed to have their own opinions and you are free to debate them. You are NOT allowed to insult the poster for holding such opinions as incorrect as you may find them. Thank you, Yea but maybe next week you won't be around! Can we have some decorum? *bangs gavel*
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 20:56:26 GMT -5
Yea but maybe next week you won't be around! Can we have some decorum? *bangs gavel* #BadNewsBradley
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 21:43:15 GMT -5
TNA has essentially become the Law & Order of the wrestling world: Ripped from the Headlines. Good thing TNA wasn't around in the 80's. A couple weeks after Bruiser Brody's death you see this play out on television: "Oh my god! It's Stabby Rodriguez!" "But what's he doing in the Impact Zone?!" So TNA was going to rip off Puerto Rico's angles!?
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Post by cabbageboy on Apr 19, 2014 22:33:20 GMT -5
Honestly I kind of worry that anyone TNA jobs to Young will have their heat killed off from losing to the guy. Truth be told the top face situation in TNA is so dire it's hard to even know where to begin to fix the problem. When Magnus won the belt I thought "Okay, so who is going to step up as #1 babyface if Styles is legit gone?" There really wasn't anyone that made any sense, especially when Jeff Hardy also took his ball and went home only to resurface as Willow.
There's been a lot of comparisons to Santino lately, but as weird as it sounds Santino has been booked better and presented on and off as much more of a threat than EY. Santino is a multi time IC champ, tag champ, went all the way to the final 2 at an Elimination Chamber before losing, went all the way to the 2011 finals of the Royal Rumble, etc. Eric Young did nothing of any note for virtually the entirety of the Hogan/Bischoff era of the company.
The truly baffling aspect is that in a few months we're going to have another Destination X cash in. Would TNA seriously do Eric Young vs. Sanada? Who even knows who Sanada IS given how he's been featured on TV? I would assume Kenny King wins the X Division title before that show, but then consider we're going to then have Eric Young vs. Kenny King....for a world title.
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Post by JTG Fan on Apr 19, 2014 23:24:08 GMT -5
Honestly I kind of worry that anyone TNA jobs to Young will have their heat killed off from losing to the guy. Truth be told the top face situation in TNA is so dire it's hard to even know where to begin to fix the problem. When Magnus won the belt I thought "Okay, so who is going to step up as #1 babyface if Styles is legit gone?" There really wasn't anyone that made any sense, especially when Jeff Hardy also took his ball and went home only to resurface as Willow. There's been a lot of comparisons to Santino lately, but as weird as it sounds Santino has been booked better and presented on and off as much more of a threat than EY. Santino is a multi time IC champ, tag champ, went all the way to the final 2 at an Elimination Chamber before losing, went all the way to the 2011 finals of the Royal Rumble, etc. Eric Young did nothing of any note for virtually the entirety of the Hogan/Bischoff era of the company. The truly baffling aspect is that in a few months we're going to have another Destination X cash in. Would TNA seriously do Eric Young vs. Sanada? Who even knows who Sanada IS given how he's been featured on TV? I would assume Kenny King wins the X Division title before that show, but then consider we're going to then have Eric Young vs. Kenny King....for a world title. All good points. And the most baffling thing is that TNA has perfectly legitimate World Champions on their roster in Bobby Roode, Austin Aries, and Bully Ray, and to a lesser extent MVP, Samoa Joe, and James Storm. And yet here we are with Magnus vs. Eric Young scheduled to headline a PPV for the World Championship.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Apr 20, 2014 7:20:26 GMT -5
LMFAO at the dude taking the condescending attitude about what a great idea and PPV draw it is to make Eric Young your World Champion. What's f***ed up is like, TNA seemed to get it, and they were presenting an awesome product in 2012 before Aces and Eights. Solid wrestling, faces you could like, heels you could loathe. Then Aces and Eights happened and everything went to Hell and has just been spiraling out of control ever since. Who would've thought that Hogan and Co leaving would actually lead to it getting worse?
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 20, 2014 8:23:49 GMT -5
TNA had a huge opportunity in the post WCW era. They had the TV deal, a talented roster and the chance to be an alternative to WWE, but they've always seemed fixated on being a low-rent imitator. It's a shame.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 20, 2014 8:43:22 GMT -5
Yeah, it's a 7 year rule instead of a 7 day rule. And they couldn't even let a week pass. TNA has essentially become the Law & Order of the wrestling world: Ripped from the Headlines. In the professional wrestling system, the Impact Zone is represented by two separate yet equally important groups. The bookers who watch what WWE are doing and write direct copies of their storylines, and the talented wrestlers that have to grind through it until Vince takes an interest in them. These are their stories.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 9:09:19 GMT -5
I just have to question whether or not people would be having this discussion if EY didn't have a beard. That seems to be one of the hangups about this thing; they put it on the bearded guy. I'm not here to argue whether they ripped off Bryan's story because this is pro wrestling and every story has been taken and rehashed 20 times over, but it seems like the main thing here is the fact that they're both bearded. I dont think its just the beard. Or just the quick way he was put in the main event. Or just the shoulder injury. Or just the thing about the fans. Or just the whole "I don't look like a champion" thing from EY. I genuinely believe if it would have been just a couple of those things the backlash wouldn't have been so bad, but all of them combined a week after WM....it was too much for it all to be a coincidence. If Santino Marella grew a beard and walked out of 30 with the title, I would be a little more suspect.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 9:12:21 GMT -5
TNA has essentially become the Law & Order of the wrestling world: Ripped from the Headlines. In the professional wrestling system, the Impact Zone is represented by two separate yet equally important groups. The bookers who watch what WWE are doing and write direct copies of their storylines, and the talented wrestlers that have to grind through it until Vince takes an interest in them. These are their stories.Just wait till TNA gets so fixated on L&O that they decide that in order to keep hip to SVU's promotion of Olivia Benson, they'll try to award Mariska Hargitay the Knockouts' title.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Apr 20, 2014 10:32:45 GMT -5
Good thing TNA wasn't around in the 80's. A couple weeks after Bruiser Brody's death you see this play out on television: "Oh my god! It's Stabby Rodriguez!" "But what's he doing in the Impact Zone?!" So TNA was going to rip off Puerto Rico's angles!? If so, Stabby Rodriguez will get a big push as a babyface for murdering eliminating the evil monster, Abyss.
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