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Post by kidglov3s on Apr 17, 2014 23:20:57 GMT -5
It's kinda funny that the longer TNA's been out of The Asylum the more their booking resembles the development process of The Asylum.
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Post by grunt on Apr 18, 2014 2:05:49 GMT -5
Well the whole unification thing was kinda the end of the Summer of Punk angle as well but I'll concede that I don't think that is what people are thinking about in this instance. That is what I was referring to, the SummerSlam 2011 match between Punk and Cena set up by Punk returning and claiming to be the real WWE Champion. Same thing happened with AJ and Magnus after they already ripped off the first part. Oh, ok. Then I get where you're coming from. (cos so far, most times I've seen this complaint made on the interwebz, it was re: the unification match between Cena & Orton that happened mid-December, a week or so after TNA had taped theirs, but a month before it aired. Hence my reaction.)
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Apr 18, 2014 7:26:52 GMT -5
TNA been doing a lot of copying the angle from the WWE right after the WWE did it. I mean look at it.
Dixie Carter and her group is just like the Authority. Mangus was Orton. Dixie was the Heel that HHH and Stephanie was. Rockstar Spud was Maddex (Raw ex GM now) WWE has Cena and Orton face off to make one World Champion. TNA does the same with Mangus and AJ Styles (Only difference WWE booked the match on PPV and TNA went ahead and did theres on TV>) EY was teaming with Joesph Park. EY finally get Park to turn back into Abyss. They start feuding Daniel Bryan mean while was starting to feud with Kane who was what Bryan former partner who both where Monsters. Now we had a match where EY bearded underdog has a match to get a title shot. He hurts his shoulder same as Bryan. Against all odds Bryan wins at WM. EY wins the title too injured shoulder.
So yeah a lot of it is like. Miss WWE this week? Tune into TNA and we have or guys react it. That what the feel is. The only difference now is that TNA doesn't have a Shield group helping EY and MVP being a face authority figure to even the odds. But WWE been rumoring it for a while that Sting was going to be that or Vince was returning since the Rumble.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Apr 18, 2014 9:41:56 GMT -5
TNA been doing a lot of copying the angle from the WWE right after the WWE did it. I mean look at it. Dixie Carter and her group is just like the Authority. Mangus was Orton. Dixie was the Heel that HHH and Stephanie was. Rockstar Spud was Maddex (Raw ex GM now) WWE has Cena and Orton face off to make one World Champion. TNA does the same with Mangus and AJ Styles (Only difference WWE booked the match on PPV and TNA went ahead and did theres on TV>) EY was teaming with Joesph Park. EY finally get Park to turn back into Abyss. They start feuding Daniel Bryan mean while was starting to feud with Kane who was what Bryan former partner who both where Monsters. Now we had a match where EY bearded underdog has a match to get a title shot. He hurts his shoulder same as Bryan. Against all odds Bryan wins at WM. EY wins the title too injured shoulder. So yeah a lot of it is like. Miss WWE this week? Tune into TNA and we have or guys react it. That what the feel is. The only difference now is that TNA doesn't have a Shield group helping EY and MVP being a face authority figure to even the odds. But WWE been rumoring it for a while that Sting was going to be that or Vince was returning since the Rumble. Actually, while they may have copied them in some instances, some of the examples you used were wrong. As I said, the way Magnus won was more like Rock in '98 than Orton, Dixie wasn't exactly like the Authority(since she actually acted like a heel all the time), she was just another heel authority figure that wrestling companies have been using since Bischoff & Vince perfected the roles. The Magnus/AJ thing was more like the summer of Punk II(which itself was a rehash of the original one in ROH) & had been building since BFG & the match was taped before the Cena/Orton match. Bryan was feuding with the Authority, moreso HHH, Steph, Orton, & then Batista, while EY had spent a couple months trying to convince Park that he was Abyss, then when he turned, EY felt responsible for unleashing the monster & costing Joe the title, so he felt it was his responsibility to stop him. The last point, however, was unfortunately too similar to Bryan at WM, even if it was most likely the backup plan, they should've saved his win for Sacrifice.
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Post by cabbageboy on Apr 18, 2014 10:28:03 GMT -5
The sad part of this angle is that EY's actual booking has been incredibly strong the past two weeks. He went through 9 guys in the battle royale, then beat Magnus clean, then beat Abyss in the Monster's Ball. He's already been a more credible champion than Magnus was during his entire reign.
I'll tell you what else this reminds me of: Booker T.'s weird 2000 title win. The guy spent the first half of 2000 either feuding with a washed up Ahmed Johnson over the letter T or being GI Bro. Then out of nowhere at BATB 2000 Russo did his whole spiel and ran Hogan off, and Booker ended up with the belt. Promoters have to put people in position to draw money. Booker could have if he had been used well, but you can't go from 0 to 100 in one PPV.
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Post by metylerca on Apr 18, 2014 12:06:50 GMT -5
The sad part of this angle is that EY's actual booking has been incredibly strong the past two weeks. He went through 9 guys in the battle royale, then beat Magnus clean, then beat Abyss in the Monster's Ball. He's already been a more credible champion than Magnus was during his entire reign. I'll tell you what else this reminds me of: Booker T.'s weird 2000 title win. The guy spent the first half of 2000 either feuding with a washed up Ahmed Johnson over the letter T or being GI Bro. Then out of nowhere at BATB 2000 Russo did his whole spiel and ran Hogan off, and Booker ended up with the belt. Promoters have to put people in position to draw money. Booker could have if he had been used well, but you can't go from 0 to 100 in one PPV. So Booker's desperation push was in August and WCW was done 7 months later. This November, I'd hate to be in TNA..
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Post by king1836 on Apr 18, 2014 12:11:09 GMT -5
The sad part of this angle is that EY's actual booking has been incredibly strong the past two weeks. He went through 9 guys in the battle royale, then beat Magnus clean, then beat Abyss in the Monster's Ball. He's already been a more credible champion than Magnus was during his entire reign. I'll tell you what else this reminds me of: Booker T.'s weird 2000 title win. The guy spent the first half of 2000 either feuding with a washed up Ahmed Johnson over the letter T or being GI Bro. Then out of nowhere at BATB 2000 Russo did his whole spiel and ran Hogan off, and Booker ended up with the belt. Promoters have to put people in position to draw money. Booker could have if he had been used well, but you can't go from 0 to 100 in one PPV. So Booker's desperation push was in August and WCW was done 7 months later. This November, I'd hate to be in TNA..
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Post by creepytennis on Apr 18, 2014 17:29:07 GMT -5
I'm used to Meltzer talking crap (CM Punk return at Chicago Raw, anyone?) but this really takes the biscuit.
TNA put the title on EY because Magnus' run has failed to draw and EY was the most over, available babyface to hotshot the title onto.
It sets up a Sacrifice main event which would have had zero credibility with the strap on Magnus. Nobody would buy EY as challenger and Magnus / Joe III was a non-starter.
The idea that EY winning the title had anything to do with D-Bry is f***ing retarded. What? 'Cause they've both got beards? Seriously? None of the 'similarities' between the angles hold water for a moment. And anyway what would be the point? How would copying the D-Bry story make anyone a dime? I honestly couldn't believe it when I heard it. Meltzer and the 'IWC' are frequently beyond moronic.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 18, 2014 18:06:14 GMT -5
I just have to question whether or not people would be having this discussion if EY didn't have a beard. That seems to be one of the hangups about this thing; they put it on the bearded guy. I'm not here to argue whether they ripped off Bryan's story because this is pro wrestling and every story has been taken and rehashed 20 times over, but it seems like the main thing here is the fact that they're both bearded. From what I've read about it, both in this piece and multiple posters on here, it can't just be the beard thing, it's that they ticked off virtually EVERY story beat. Just reading the description, there's no legitimate way to defend it as not being a rip-off when it clearly is, less than a week later.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 18, 2014 18:08:11 GMT -5
I dont think its just the beard. Or just the quick way he was put in the main event. Or just the shoulder injury. Or just the thing about the fans. Or just the whole "I don't look like a champion" thing from EY. I genuinely believe if it would have been just a couple of those things the backlash wouldn't have been so bad, but all of them combined a week after WM....it was too much for it all to be a coincidence. Exactly. If it was just one of those things, ok sure, but ALL of those things? Of course people are gonna call it a rip-off. As Meltzer said, Young just happens to start selling a shoulder injury a week after Bryan overcame one to win the title? Bullshit. Bullshit bullshit bullshit.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Apr 18, 2014 18:55:04 GMT -5
TNA been doing a lot of copying the angle from the WWE right after the WWE did it. I mean look at it. Dixie Carter and her group is just like the Authority. Mangus was Orton. Dixie was the Heel that HHH and Stephanie was. Rockstar Spud was Maddex (Raw ex GM now) WWE has Cena and Orton face off to make one World Champion. TNA does the same with Mangus and AJ Styles (Only difference WWE booked the match on PPV and TNA went ahead and did theres on TV>) EY was teaming with Joesph Park. EY finally get Park to turn back into Abyss. They start feuding Daniel Bryan mean while was starting to feud with Kane who was what Bryan former partner who both where Monsters. Now we had a match where EY bearded underdog has a match to get a title shot. He hurts his shoulder same as Bryan. Against all odds Bryan wins at WM. EY wins the title too injured shoulder. So yeah a lot of it is like. Miss WWE this week? Tune into TNA and we have or guys react it. That what the feel is. The only difference now is that TNA doesn't have a Shield group helping EY and MVP being a face authority figure to even the odds. But WWE been rumoring it for a while that Sting was going to be that or Vince was returning since the Rumble. Actually, while they may have copied them in some instances, some of the examples you used were wrong. As I said, the way Magnus won was more like Rock in '98 than Orton, Dixie wasn't exactly like the Authority(since she actually acted like a heel all the time), she was just another heel authority figure that wrestling companies have been using since Bischoff & Vince perfected the roles. The Magnus/AJ thing was more like the summer of Punk II(which itself was a rehash of the original one in ROH) & had been building since BFG & the match was taped before the Cena/Orton match. Bryan was feuding with the Authority, moreso HHH, Steph, Orton, & then Batista, while EY had spent a couple months trying to convince Park that he was Abyss, then when he turned, EY felt responsible for unleashing the monster & costing Joe the title, so he felt it was his responsibility to stop him. The last point, however, was unfortunately too similar to Bryan at WM, even if it was most likely the backup plan, they should've saved his win for Sacrifice. Outside the screw job ending thats all I see the 98 Rock win from it but Rock didn't have Mankind mugged during the match.
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Post by cabbageboy on Apr 18, 2014 22:09:24 GMT -5
The truly sad part of this is that TNA is apparently going all out to make Young seem like a feasible champ, so he'll probably be booked insanely well and go over everyone in sight clean and in the center. I've thought for years that TNA desperately needed a popular babyface champion that won clean and got the crowd behind him, so of course they pick a guy who has been a comedy act jobber for the better part of a decade to put in such a spot.
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Post by Ragnal on Apr 18, 2014 22:59:32 GMT -5
The truly sad part of this is that TNA is apparently going all out to make Young seem like a feasible champ, so he'll probably be booked insanely well and go over everyone in sight clean and in the center. I've thought for years that TNA desperately needed a popular babyface champion that won clean and got the crowd behind him, so of course they pick a guy who has been a comedy act jobber for the better part of a decade to put in such a spot. This is why I cringed when I heard Young won the title. Sure, the guy's had serious moments, they've given him momentum and reason to be a serious character, but my problem is that I associate Eric with comedy (not good comedy, tho) that anytime he tries to be taken seriously, it's hard for me to accept because it's the same dude that played superhero, dropped it in a heartbeat after being stupid about the tag title situation, suddenly becomes leader of the World Elite, has a concussion that makes him stupid again...and you want me to take him seriously again? I don't know what to call it exactly, it's just that when someone becomes a serious character after not being taken seriously for so long, it baffles you. It's why I was shocked with Santino's pushes in 2010 and 2012, and the fact he's relevant again now (I'm sensing a pattern...). It's why when Jimmy Jacobs revealed the Age of the Fall, I couldn't take the thought seriously because I remember him best as the guy that was begging for Lacey's heart on a regular basis. I feel like there needs to be a name for this phenomenon of "comedy character all of a sudden means serious business".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 0:14:29 GMT -5
I'm used to Meltzer talking crap (CM Punk return at Chicago Raw, anyone?) but this really takes the biscuit. TNA put the title on EY because Magnus' run has failed to draw and EY was the most over, available babyface to hotshot the title onto. It sets up a Sacrifice main event which would have had zero credibility with the strap on Magnus. Nobody would buy EY as challenger and Magnus / Joe III was a non-starter. The idea that EY winning the title had anything to do with D-Bry is f***ing retarded. What? 'Cause they've both got beards? Seriously? None of the 'similarities' between the angles hold water for a moment. And anyway what would be the point? How would copying the D-Bry story make anyone a dime? I honestly couldn't believe it when I heard it. Meltzer and the 'IWC' are frequently beyond moronic. Few things about that. Most available face... How about Jeff Hardy? It's not like this Willow thing isn't something that couldn't be tweaked to accommodate him as champion or just dropped entirely. They could have had MVP put himself in a title match for it, they seem to be turning Abyss already anyway, they could have had Eric Young or Samoa Joe win it in that four way match a couple of weeks back... Hell, they could've given it to Gunner. They didn't need to go straight to the guy who's not had a singles match that's lasted over ten minutes in over two years suddenly being able to win two matches in one night. As for Sacrifice, first off, how is Eric Young any more credible right now than Magnus is? How is Magnus suddenly more credible if he's the challenger instead of the champion, and how is Eric Young more credible as the champion than as a challenger? And either way, what's it matter because no matter what TNA can't sell a PPV that isn't Lockdown or Bound For Glroy to save their lives and even those at their best can't come close to matching December to Dismember. Plus, it's their own fault Magnus is a joke. Also, how are there no actual similarities in the storylines? I'd get it if it were just, "Bearded underdog wins the title." That would be reaching to compare it to Bryan. But to have him suffer the same injury that Bryan had been selling then half to go through the same arc of having to win two matches in one night, then go through the same trouble of an authority figure telling him he's a joke who can't be taken seriously as the face of the company, and as the biggest event in the industry that just happened a week prior, there was absolutely no way someone in TNA would've have connected the two and, if it were unintentional, at least thought to change it to an ankle injury or have EY get his shot the next week instead or something. Just small, easy things could have been tweaked to have the exact same story but more unique and instead it wound up beat for beat exactly the same as Mania. As for the question of how it'd make anyone a dime... Well, nothing TNA does makes any money. But outside of that, how did parodying / ripping off Big Dick Johnson make any money, or the Voodoo Kin Mafia's mere existence for that matter? How did Tommy Dreamer crying about how WWE tarnished ECW's legacy make any money? TNA rips off and / or insults WWE all the time for no reason other than because they can.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Apr 19, 2014 0:49:58 GMT -5
Actually, while they may have copied them in some instances, some of the examples you used were wrong. As I said, the way Magnus won was more like Rock in '98 than Orton, Dixie wasn't exactly like the Authority(since she actually acted like a heel all the time), she was just another heel authority figure that wrestling companies have been using since Bischoff & Vince perfected the roles. The Magnus/AJ thing was more like the summer of Punk II(which itself was a rehash of the original one in ROH) & had been building since BFG & the match was taped before the Cena/Orton match. Bryan was feuding with the Authority, moreso HHH, Steph, Orton, & then Batista, while EY had spent a couple months trying to convince Park that he was Abyss, then when he turned, EY felt responsible for unleashing the monster & costing Joe the title, so he felt it was his responsibility to stop him. The last point, however, was unfortunately too similar to Bryan at WM, even if it was most likely the backup plan, they should've saved his win for Sacrifice. Outside the screw job ending thats all I see the 98 Rock win from it but Rock didn't have Mankind mugged during the match. I meant more that Magnus acts like the Rock when he was corporate champ than Orton. Orton always wears t-shirt & trunks(of course, no pants), while Magnus wears nice clothes most of the time, since in his mind that's how a champion dresses, plus it's his 1st World Title, whereas it was Orton's 10th. Plus, it's not like Orton was the first corporate champ in wrestling history, hell, TNA has done that on a few occasions, the most recent before Magnus being Hardy, Anderson & Angle for Immortal.
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Post by evilone on Apr 19, 2014 4:59:46 GMT -5
The truly sad part of this is that TNA is apparently going all out to make Young seem like a feasible champ, so he'll probably be booked insanely well and go over everyone in sight clean and in the center. I've thought for years that TNA desperately needed a popular babyface champion that won clean and got the crowd behind him, so of course they pick a guy who has been a comedy act jobber for the better part of a decade to put in such a spot. This is why I cringed when I heard Young won the title. Sure, the guy's had serious moments, they've given him momentum and reason to be a serious character, but my problem is that I associate Eric with comedy (not good comedy, tho) that anytime he tries to be taken seriously, it's hard for me to accept because it's the same dude that played superhero, dropped it in a heartbeat after being stupid about the tag title situation, suddenly becomes leader of the World Elite, has a concussion that makes him stupid again...and you want me to take him seriously again? I don't know what to call it exactly, it's just that when someone becomes a serious character after not being taken seriously for so long, it baffles you. It's why I was shocked with Santino's pushes in 2010 and 2012, and the fact he's relevant again now (I'm sensing a pattern...). It's why when Jimmy Jacobs revealed the Age of the Fall, I couldn't take the thought seriously because I remember him best as the guy that was begging for Lacey's heart on a regular basis. I feel like there needs to be a name for this phenomenon of "comedy character all of a sudden means serious business". This depends from which realm you're coming from. Do you see all this as performance and can you recognize EY as loyal, competent athlete and performer that did as much as he could with every shtick they gave it to him as his work has finally been properly rewarded now? Or do experience all of this literally word for word as a novel and see EY as an actual badly written cuckoo character who is placed within a novel's plot, so he stands no chance to be in a protagonist role?
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Post by creepytennis on Apr 19, 2014 6:20:57 GMT -5
Few things about that. Most available face... How about Jeff Hardy? It's not like this Willow thing isn't something that couldn't be tweaked to accommodate him as champion or just dropped entirely. They could have had MVP put himself in a title match for it, they seem to be turning Abyss already anyway, they could have had Eric Young or Samoa Joe win it in that four way match a couple of weeks back... Hell, they could've given it to Gunner. They didn't need to go straight to the guy who's not had a singles match that's lasted over ten minutes in over two years suddenly being able to win two matches in one night. As for Sacrifice, first off, how is Eric Young any more credible right now than Magnus is? How is Magnus suddenly more credible if he's the challenger instead of the champion, and how is Eric Young more credible as the champion than as a challenger? And either way, what's it matter because no matter what TNA can't sell a PPV that isn't Lockdown or Bound For Glroy to save their lives and even those at their best can't come close to matching December to Dismember. Plus, it's their own fault Magnus is a joke. Also, how are there no actual similarities in the storylines? I'd get it if it were just, "Bearded underdog wins the title." That would be reaching to compare it to Bryan. But to have him suffer the same injury that Bryan had been selling then half to go through the same arc of having to win two matches in one night, then go through the same trouble of an authority figure telling him he's a joke who can't be taken seriously as the face of the company, and as the biggest event in the industry that just happened a week prior, there was absolutely no way someone in TNA would've have connected the two and, if it were unintentional, at least thought to change it to an ankle injury or have EY get his shot the next week instead or something. Just small, easy things could have been tweaked to have the exact same story but more unique and instead it wound up beat for beat exactly the same as Mania. As for the question of how it'd make anyone a dime... Well, nothing TNA does makes any money. But outside of that, how did parodying / ripping off Big Dick Johnson make any money, or the Voodoo Kin Mafia's mere existence for that matter? How did Tommy Dreamer crying about how WWE tarnished ECW's legacy make any money? TNA rips off and / or insults WWE all the time for no reason other than because they can. I can't quite believe I'm bothering to respond to this. First of all, if you need it explaining why EY / Magnus is a more sellable PPV match with EY going in as champ, you're beyond help. Secondly, the idea that there are more eligible babyface champions than EY at this point is laughable. Willow? I'm not going to dignify that with a response. Joe is absent and has just come out of a feud with Magnus that *bombed*. Angle is not ready to wrestle yet. Gunner is occupied. Abyss is a heel. And you even point out yourself that EY was in a championship match two weeks ago. So he's been in the title scene and pushed as a viable underdog contender since the Impact after Lockdown. And your suggestion that they book the match for the next week rather than the same night doesn't give them enough Impacts to build the rematch before Sacrifice. And just to finish, a babyface wrestling two matches in one night, or carrying an injury (it wasn't the same injury as D-Bry), are wrestling angles as old as time. Offhand I can think of two other instances from WWE and TNA in the last few years.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Apr 19, 2014 7:27:34 GMT -5
It's not a sellable match at all. Once more, EY hadn't won a singles match clean since 2012 and that was against Angelina Love. Until 7 weeks ago he was still playing a character, even then he wasn't portrayed as being worth a damn. You can't give someone a title then build him up as genuine after the fact. They whole build to the match was that Magnus doesn't think that EY is on his level and that he considers him a joke. Not "Joke wins in spite of injured shoulder, therefore making him and the previous champion look week"
And it was the same f***ing injury which didn't even make sense from a psychology POV. Why would Magnus have his goon injure someones shoulder when he targets the legs and back with his submission finisher?
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Post by Ragnal on Apr 19, 2014 8:42:34 GMT -5
This is why I cringed when I heard Young won the title. Sure, the guy's had serious moments, they've given him momentum and reason to be a serious character, but my problem is that I associate Eric with comedy (not good comedy, tho) that anytime he tries to be taken seriously, it's hard for me to accept because it's the same dude that played superhero, dropped it in a heartbeat after being stupid about the tag title situation, suddenly becomes leader of the World Elite, has a concussion that makes him stupid again...and you want me to take him seriously again? I don't know what to call it exactly, it's just that when someone becomes a serious character after not being taken seriously for so long, it baffles you. It's why I was shocked with Santino's pushes in 2010 and 2012, and the fact he's relevant again now (I'm sensing a pattern...). It's why when Jimmy Jacobs revealed the Age of the Fall, I couldn't take the thought seriously because I remember him best as the guy that was begging for Lacey's heart on a regular basis. I feel like there needs to be a name for this phenomenon of "comedy character all of a sudden means serious business". This depends from which realm you're coming from. Do you see all this as performance and can you recognize EY as loyal, competent athlete and performer that did as much as he could with every shtick they gave it to him as his work has finally been properly rewarded now? Or do experience all of this literally word for word as a novel and see EY as an actual badly written cuckoo character who is placed within a novel's plot, so he stands no chance to be in a protagonist role? The latter. Definitely the latter. He always feels like he's poorly placed in whatever plot he's entangled in. I mean there's times where it works, like when he feuded against Bobby Roode in 07, but that got played out for too long, but rather than let him wrestle for a belt or something, they placed him in a feud with James Storm over...a title, yeah, but it was a beer drinking title, one that didn't last very long.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Apr 19, 2014 9:17:53 GMT -5
Few things about that. Most available face... How about Jeff Hardy? It's not like this Willow thing isn't something that couldn't be tweaked to accommodate him as champion or just dropped entirely. They could have had MVP put himself in a title match for it, they seem to be turning Abyss already anyway, they could have had Eric Young or Samoa Joe win it in that four way match a couple of weeks back... Hell, they could've given it to Gunner. They didn't need to go straight to the guy who's not had a singles match that's lasted over ten minutes in over two years suddenly being able to win two matches in one night. As for Sacrifice, first off, how is Eric Young any more credible right now than Magnus is? How is Magnus suddenly more credible if he's the challenger instead of the champion, and how is Eric Young more credible as the champion than as a challenger? And either way, what's it matter because no matter what TNA can't sell a PPV that isn't Lockdown or Bound For Glroy to save their lives and even those at their best can't come close to matching December to Dismember. Plus, it's their own fault Magnus is a joke. Also, how are there no actual similarities in the storylines? I'd get it if it were just, "Bearded underdog wins the title." That would be reaching to compare it to Bryan. But to have him suffer the same injury that Bryan had been selling then half to go through the same arc of having to win two matches in one night, then go through the same trouble of an authority figure telling him he's a joke who can't be taken seriously as the face of the company, and as the biggest event in the industry that just happened a week prior, there was absolutely no way someone in TNA would've have connected the two and, if it were unintentional, at least thought to change it to an ankle injury or have EY get his shot the next week instead or something. Just small, easy things could have been tweaked to have the exact same story but more unique and instead it wound up beat for beat exactly the same as Mania. As for the question of how it'd make anyone a dime... Well, nothing TNA does makes any money. But outside of that, how did parodying / ripping off Big Dick Johnson make any money, or the Voodoo Kin Mafia's mere existence for that matter? How did Tommy Dreamer crying about how WWE tarnished ECW's legacy make any money? TNA rips off and / or insults WWE all the time for no reason other than because they can. I can't quite believe I'm bothering to respond to this. First of all, if you need it explaining why EY / Magnus is a more sellable PPV match with EY going in as champ, you're beyond help. Secondly, the idea that there are more eligible babyface champions than EY at this point is laughable. Willow? I'm not going to dignify that with a response. Joe is absent and has just come out of a feud with Magnus that *bombed*. Angle is not ready to wrestle yet. Gunner is occupied. Abyss is a heel. And you even point out yourself that EY was in a championship match two weeks ago. So he's been in the title scene and pushed as a viable underdog contender since the Impact after Lockdown. And your suggestion that they book the match for the next week rather than the same night doesn't give them enough Impacts to build the rematch before Sacrifice. And just to finish, a babyface wrestling two matches in one night, or carrying an injury (it wasn't the same injury as D-Bry), are wrestling angles as old as time. Offhand I can think of two other instances from WWE and TNA in the last few years. Ok, please explain why there is more money in the upcoming Sacrifice ppv with EY as champion if it is so simple. Nothing so far been money for TNA when it comes to ppv except Angle vs Joe. Don't see how Eric Young is going to suddenly make the wallets open up. Magnus was treated as a joke. He lost to a joke wrestler. Seriously, who is going to spend money to see the rematch? And there are more eligible faces out there besides EY. Gunner has the most credibility of any current TNA wrestler. He's won more matches than anyone in TNA the last year. Sure he's stuck in a feud with James Storm but so was EY with a feud with Abyss before his win. Willow is still Jeff Hardy. The same Jeff Hardy who is their most popular wrestler and was more popular than John Cena in WWE a couple of years ago. Drop the gimmick and use Jeff Hardy. Angle just came back and he's never ready to wrestle but that never stopped him from going out there to do it. Joe's feud bombed because TNA bombed it. It's not reflection of Joe's effort and overness. It's a reflection of TNA getting too cute with Magnus cheating and making Joe look inept and like a spaz. TNA has time to book matches and angles. If they can't handle it, it's time to get out of the ppv biz. I get that some will say there are no similarities but take it from a long time WCW fan who seen gimmicks and angles ripped off from WWF and try to get passed off as original, this is a copycat. Even if TNA didn't plan it to be, it's coming off as one. Even Dixie acknowledge it on Impact this week. They redid the Summer of Punk with AJ as the ead, numerous Montreal screwjobs, countless NWO knockoffs, and other various things that makes them look second rate. TNA needs not to look second rate when trying to be an alternative. A disgruntled WWE fan doesn't want to be reminded watching TNA the reason why they are mad. They want something different.
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