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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jun 12, 2016 7:48:15 GMT -5
I don't really think Romijn was that great as Mystique either. She was fine, but nothing character defining. It's weird, for me, Lawrenece's performance in First Class was a highlight, then she blew up and they did really make the movies all about her to the detriment of a lot of things. I still like her, but they have gone overkill with it. They've really messed with her character arc from her first movie in particularly with the whole mutant and proud deal now that she's human looking half the time. I get it, you want to show her main actress's face; just from a character/story perspective it's kinda weak. It may've not been character defining. But Romijn's depiction of Mystique captured how cold and methodical she was. That's what has been missing in the last two X-Men films in my opinion. They're 2 different characters though. Days of Future Past stated that Raven fully became Mystique by killing Trask, and getting captured, experimented on, and tortured. Since Days of Future Past not only stopped all that from happening, but also the world saw her save the lives of Nixon, his security team, and his cabinet, she's still got a hint of good because what led to her being cold and methodical didn't happen. She still sees there's a war on mutants, but she also works with Hank and Charles, like when she dropped off Nightcrawler.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jun 12, 2016 8:03:31 GMT -5
Really neither portrayal of Mystique has captured what I loved about her character in the comics, in that she is a self serving charismatic terrorist leader who nonetheless deeply loved Destiny, and (while a complete screw up with them as a mother) does care about Nightcrawler and Rogue. It was a credit to her layers as character that she could adopt Anna Marie to raise as her own, abandon Kurt while still caring about him, and view Graydon Creed as a disposable/ worthless homo sapien all while still feeling entirely in character for Raven.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 12, 2016 8:14:54 GMT -5
Romijn's version of Mystique was the best. She was sultry, seductive, and cold blooded.
Jennifer Lawrence just isn't. Not only because of her squeaky voice, but because they've turned the character into a hero. I would have preferred her to play an entirely different mutant if that's the direction they were taking Mystique.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Jun 12, 2016 10:15:44 GMT -5
I'm disappointed we didn't get more Azazel. One movie and then he's killed off-screen. Bogus. I know his comics version was part of a SHITTY storyline, but the First Class version was interesting/would've liked to have gotten more of him. Same for Emma, Banshee, Riptide, and Angel. They couldn't have given one or two of those characters an on-screen death at least? I kinda wonder if the original idea of the First Class sequel was going to immediately follow up on First Class as oppose to what we got.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 12, 2016 11:21:34 GMT -5
Same for Emma, Banshee, Riptide, and Angel. They couldn't have given one or two of those characters an on-screen death at least? I kinda wonder if the original idea of the First Class sequel was going to immediately follow up on First Class as oppose to what we got. The original idea was always DOFP, though with Wolverine being sent back to '73 by Rachel Summers instead of Kitty (Bishop and Cable were considered instead of Wolverine). Singer briefly considered having it set during the civil rights movement, which would've made it more of a direct follow-up to First Class in terms of time scale, but quickly settled on the late-Vietnam war. Ultimately I kinda like the decade-hopping thing they've got going on.
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Post by chrom on Jun 17, 2016 20:24:28 GMT -5
Mystique is becoming the one with the most exposure at the expense of the others similar to what Wolverine has been.
Been what, seven movies and Cyclops is still little more than a background character?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 17, 2016 20:51:50 GMT -5
Mystique is becoming the one with the most exposure at the expense of the others that Wolverine was. You'd think that from the advertising campaign and the fuss being made, but the reality is she's barely in this, and it's not a case of "When Mystique isn't on screen everybody should be talking about her" either. Literally the only things of importance she does in the movie are {Spoiler}rescue Nightcrawler in the opening act, and talk down Magneto in the third. In order of importance to the story, and actual screen time devoted to it, she's way behind Xavier, Magneto, and Apocalypse, and probably behind Jean too, since the main subplot of the movie is about Jean coming to control her powers, {Spoiler}and ultimately being the only one who can kill Apocalypse. Mystique actually spends most of the second act {Spoiler}sitting around in a cell with Beast and Quicksilver, waiting for Nightcrawler, Jean, and Cyclops to rescue them.
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Post by Display Name on Jun 18, 2016 0:33:01 GMT -5
Finally gave it a watch...I totally zoned out during the green screen fest that was the last 45 minutes. Mystique and her Katniss speech..yikes. Only part I genuinely enjoyed was the Weapon X stuff.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jun 19, 2016 0:25:37 GMT -5
Probably the best scene was the Quicksilver and the School scene
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jun 19, 2016 7:44:18 GMT -5
Probably the best scene was the Quicksilver and the School scene Nah, best for me was {Spoiler}Jean confronting Apocalypse in Xavier's head and on the battle field. Cerebro's door opening and Jean walking through was f***ing awesome.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jun 26, 2016 0:13:30 GMT -5
The movie just needed some Deadpool
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Post by Biggtone23 on Jun 26, 2016 9:07:33 GMT -5
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jun 26, 2016 9:40:43 GMT -5
^I could see it happening for Fantastic Four since it's a struggling property under Fox, so Fox obviously wants it to make more money, but X-Men is making Fox bank. Fox will want to keep all that X-Men money to themselves. Unless there's a massive change, Fox ain't sharing X-Men with Marvel.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 26, 2016 9:43:56 GMT -5
I'll believe that when it happens. Fantastic Four I could see since just how badly botched Fant4stic was and how much of an outright disaster it was financially. Deadpool made them a shit ton of money though, not sure how well this movie did but i am dead certain it wasn't near the scale of FF. edit: looking it up it seems that this is the second worse grossing X-men film when adjusted for inflation just over The Wolverine. Third when not adjusted over First Class. The movie just needed some Deadpool Was wondering why until he mentioned Deadpool hadn't debuted in Japan yet so that makes more sense. Did love the "most people can't make it to the end of Fox's movies so we're doing it in a trailer" line
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jun 26, 2016 15:50:28 GMT -5
The way I always wanted the final Wolverine movie to end was for Wolverine to just disappear while saving the day with everybody thinking he died heroically. Mid-credits we cut to a confused Wolverine wandering around some facility, having no idea where he is, when stumbles upon Coulson. Coulson responds with a understated "huh".
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 26, 2016 20:07:26 GMT -5
Saw it a few days ago...kind of let down, but didn't hate it, either.
I honestly haven't seen DoFP yet (recently got the blu ray off Netflix), but I largely enjoyed First Class, and often get a bit more of a kick from X-Men stuff over some of the other Marvel faire, so I was hoping for something that would continue to do things a bit differently compared to some other superhero movies. Instead, that last fight segment really just felt like almost every other hero movie that's come out over the past near-decade, and it wound up making the whole thing too bloated. As mentioned before, lots of characters appearing then disappearing, people getting killed off pretty off handedly, it just never really had a focus, which shouldn't be such a problem when you have a top level villain like Apocalypse to work with.
Still some nice performances, loved the Quicksilver sequence, but yeah, just too much happening and not enough of it feeling like it had much meaning. End of the day, Apocalypse basically served as a platform for Jean to try her Phoenix powers on and to get rid of Xavier's hair, and that's just not enough for that type of villain.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 26, 2016 20:41:27 GMT -5
End of the day, Apocalypse basically served as a platform for Jean to try her Phoenix powers on and to get rid of Xavier's hair, and that's just not enough for that type of villain. That's been my major gripe with these types of movies over the last few years. You have these powerful antagonists and they're usually defeated and killed inside 48-72 in-movie hours without ever achieving much of anything. Age of Ultron pretty much takes place over a weekend. Apocalypse seemingly comes and goes in less than that. Doomsday? A couple of hours, tops. Do these filmmakers not know how to play a story out over a prolonged period of time any more? In The Dark Knight you've got Joker running around causing mayhem for what seems like a few weeks at least, and Dark Knight Rises takes place over a period of six months or so, though it loses some brownie points for skipping over about five of those months.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 27, 2016 12:29:06 GMT -5
End of the day, Apocalypse basically served as a platform for Jean to try her Phoenix powers on and to get rid of Xavier's hair, and that's just not enough for that type of villain. That's been my major gripe with these types of movies over the last few years. You have these powerful antagonists and they're usually defeated and killed inside 48-72 in-movie hours without ever achieving much of anything. Age of Ultron pretty much takes place over a weekend. Apocalypse seemingly comes and goes in less than that. Doomsday? A couple of hours, tops. Do these filmmakers not know how to play a story out over a prolonged period of time any more? In The Dark Knight you've got Joker running around causing mayhem for what seems like a few weeks at least, and Dark Knight Rises takes place over a period of six months or so, though it loses some brownie points for skipping over about five of those months. When it comes to the Marvel properties, I often look at it as a byproduct of Marvel lacking in truly iconic villains. This doesn't mean that Marvel lacks in high quality villains, of course, but I've personally always seen DC as a step better when it comes to crafting strong villains that really play off their corresponding hero(es), and there are simply more DC villains that stick in the societal consciousness (e.g. everybody, even non-comics fans, knows Joker, Luthor, etc.). Given that case, many Marvel films tend to revolve more around the hero his or herself, all culminating in a film like Civil War where the central conflict is "heroes vs. heroes". Yeah, that was the hook of Batman vs. Superman, too, but Luthor was clearly the villain throughout and the final conflict revolved around the heroes uniting against a common enemy. It's why I've often enjoyed the better X-Men movies more than some of the other Marvel properties (not all the X-Men movies, mind you): Magneto, Stryker, guys like that really served as interesting antagonists and played well off the heroes they were going after. Having Apocalypse, arguing the top level X-Men villain, at the center of the third film should've been huge, but the ending just wound up feeling like most other superhero movies of late (scenes of cities falling apart, team-up to beat the villain, etc.) and, yeah, Apocalypse just really didn't serve much of a narrative purpose, nor did he really further anybody's character. They really could've done more with him possibly shaping Xavier and Jean given their mental links, but instead it all kind of just hit the expected action points and didn't do much else beyond that. It's why I'm concerned that DC is already jumping headlong into Justice League; Darkseid is one of my absolute favorite villains, and while I know he won't be the chief antagonist of the first JL movie, I want him to linger and be in the background a lot, building up why he's such a rival for the heroes and how his existence and methods shape their conflict with him. The Superman/Darkseid rivalry is one of my favorite parts from the old DC animated universe, so I'd hate for it to be "movie one, team up, movie two, uh oh, kill the big alien invader!"
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Post by wisdomwizard on Jun 27, 2016 17:41:33 GMT -5
Saw it finally today with my aunt and little brother. We all liked it. Apocalypse was a boring villain, but the stakes felt real throughout so it didn't bring down anything for me. Like how Sophie Turner did as Jean Grey.
I really think Quicksilver should get his own movie, he was the best part in this.
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Post by theshockmaster on Jul 3, 2016 19:05:33 GMT -5
I couldn't get over the way it looked, I thought the cinematography was shockingly bad for a film of this magnitude. I also thought the effects were questionable.
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