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Post by Wolfman Rose on May 17, 2014 15:26:28 GMT -5
And yet it's still better than the endless bitter "my childhood has been raped" whining. That's a big part of it, there's always a specific mention that critics of the SE/prequels say that their childhoods were raped. Because it's been said hundreds of times by critics of the prequels?
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Post by kidglov3s on May 17, 2014 15:32:54 GMT -5
That's a big part of it, there's always a specific mention that critics of the SE/prequels say that their childhoods were raped. Because it's been said hundreds of times by critics of the prequels? I've only seen it as a like hyperbolic framing of the situation not as like actual statement. Though it has probably been said more than "Yknow Attack of the Clones is a great movie".
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Post by Hit Girl on May 17, 2014 15:36:16 GMT -5
"Raped my childhood" is hyperbole of course, but the core of the argument is the undermining of a much loved classic trilogy to bring it in line with a far inferior prequel trilogy. It's a strange case of George Lucas damaging his good work to give it parity with his shitty work. It's akin to the WWE mindset of "(X) can't be allowed to be too good because it might make everything else look bad"
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Post by Phosphor Glow on May 17, 2014 15:42:51 GMT -5
The prequel trilogy didn't had an stupid story IMO, the problem where some specific things that ruined the whole thing At least how anakin was discovered to his fall at the dark side was perfectly booked imo, and Hayden Christianssen made a good role since he made anakin look like an annoying prick who will go to the dark side easily And even his lack of talent ruined THAT. But I'm sure teenage girls were seeing Eps 2 and 3 cause he's so dreeeeeamy! Yeah, I'm sure there weren't any teenage girls at all just seeing it because they like Star Wars.
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Post by kidglov3s on May 17, 2014 15:45:33 GMT -5
I read that and I was like yknow I've never actually heard anyone say dreamy legit, it's always like guys' imaginations of dumb girls.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on May 17, 2014 15:47:55 GMT -5
I think that I enjoyed the prequels since I was 10 when phantom menace appeared. As a kid I thought that all the hype was amazing since I came from a small town to the capitol city of my country and everybody was talking about the movie. Then I saw it, and found the movie boring until the pod race, from then it became an ok movie, but that I will not watch again
The second is forgettable, and the third one is amazing.
Also, I absolutely love episode IV, found episode V to be super boring (and doesn't help that I already knew the Vader spoiler, even though it was my second SW movie) and found episode VI to be good, but nothing to write home about.
At least I think that the saga is an entertaining one, all 6 movies are from Ok to amazing, and that the series isn't THAT good to the point of trying to separate the good times (original) with the bad times (prequel) since the series could at times be super overrated by their fanbase
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Post by Cyno on May 17, 2014 15:58:00 GMT -5
Because it's been said hundreds of times by critics of the prequels? I've only seen it as a like hyperbolic framing of the situation not as like actual statement. Though it has probably been said more than "Yknow Attack of the Clones is a great movie". You weren't around many Star Wars internet forums when the prequels were released, I take it?
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Post by kidglov3s on May 17, 2014 16:01:01 GMT -5
I've only seen it as a like hyperbolic framing of the situation not as like actual statement. Though it has probably been said more than "Yknow Attack of the Clones is a great movie". You weren't around many Star Wars internet forums when the prequels were released, I take it? Actually no. Most of the Star Wars discussion I saw at the time was on DVDTalk.
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Post by Legion on May 17, 2014 16:16:46 GMT -5
Urgh.
More fan boy rage fuel just to convince the obsessed into buying all over again.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 17, 2014 16:33:38 GMT -5
Revenge of the Sith is a pretty good movie overall, my favourite next to Empire. Would hate to see it retconned. Kids of the 20000s had their childhoods and adolescenses forged by those movies, the older dweebs from the 70s to 80s need to realize their day in the sun is long over and make way for new opinions and ideas. Doubt it. I'd find it hard to believe that for example Anakin accidently destroying the Trade Federation droid control ship had anywhere near the iconic impact on kids as Luke destroying the Death Star had on the previous generation. The older "dweebs" had to endure films they loved and adored being essentially vandalised and undermined to conform to "new opinions and ideas" in the prequels and revisionism from George Lucas that are far inferior to everything meaningful in the classic trilogy. I'd say you're wrong if you really believe there isn't a generation of kids (who are probably 15-20 now) that consider The Prequels to be "their" Star Wars. And there's a lot of kids currently discovering Star Wars through the prequels and Clone Wars series, and to them that's Star Wars. The prequels were hugely successful movies, and while not as beloved as the Original Trilogy, they were wildly popular with kids and still are. A lot of people who were fans pre-prequels seriously underestimate how much those movies connected with kids because they personally didn't like the movies
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Post by Cyno on May 17, 2014 16:39:21 GMT -5
You weren't around many Star Wars internet forums when the prequels were released, I take it? Actually no. Most of the Star Wars discussion I saw at the time was on DVDTalk. Yeah if you were around sites like TheForce.net and the like back when Episode II and the original DVD release came out, "rape my childhood" was a phrase used in both an un-hyperbolic and un-ironic fashion. A lot. And yeah, I think a lot of people grossly underestimate how popular the prequels (yes, even Episodes I and II) were with kids. And still are.
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Post by Ryushinku on May 17, 2014 17:28:11 GMT -5
Fine if they want to do the original original copies. I know there's a demand out there for them, personally I'm not fussed because I got on fine with (most) of the Special Edition stuff but others would like the first copies so fine.
The retconning the prequels thing outright, I don't buy that for a second. No chance. It'd be a very silly move indeed.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 17, 2014 17:46:44 GMT -5
Like I said, I doubt this to be the case.
If there are 15 to 20 year olds around today who have fond memories of such iconic characters like Senator Amidala, General Grievous and the legendary Jango Fett, I'd be very surprised.
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on May 17, 2014 17:47:06 GMT -5
They won't retcon the prequels because they just got done making a big announcement about how the old EU is retconned and that only the 6 films and the Clone Wars cartoons are canon. If they were planning on retconing the prequels they wouldn't have included the Clone Wars in the canon as they are dependent upon events in the prequels. You could only retcon Revenge of the Sith and that is the one prequel film people like.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 17, 2014 18:10:20 GMT -5
Like I said, I doubt this to be the case. If there are 15 to 20 year olds around today who have fond memories of such iconic characters like Senator Amidala, General Grievous and the legendary Jango Fett, I'd be very surprised. My best friend's kids, three of them aged 7-16, have fonder memories of Jar Jar Binks and hyperactive ninja Yoda than they do of Luke, Han, Chewie, and Dagobah Yoda. Two of them flat out consider Episodes IV and V boring. I'm sure there are plenty out there like it.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on May 17, 2014 19:07:06 GMT -5
Like I said, I doubt this to be the case. If there are 15 to 20 year olds around today who have fond memories of such iconic characters like Senator Amidala, General Grievous and the legendary Jango Fett, I'd be very surprised. My best friend's kids, three of them aged 7-16, have fonder memories of Jar Jar Binks and hyperactive ninja Yoda than they do of Luke, Han, Chewie, and Dagobah Yoda. Two of them flat out consider Episodes IV and V boring. I'm sure there are plenty out there like it. My advice is to tell your friend to take his kids to a Doctor and explain all of this. I'm pretty sure medical science has developed some kind of pill to cure this.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 17, 2014 19:16:39 GMT -5
Like I said, I doubt this to be the case. If there are 15 to 20 year olds around today who have fond memories of such iconic characters like Senator Amidala, General Grievous and the legendary Jango Fett, I'd be very surprised. My best friend's kids, three of them aged 7-16, have fonder memories of Jar Jar Binks and hyperactive ninja Yoda than they do of Luke, Han, Chewie, and Dagobah Yoda. Two of them flat out consider Episodes IV and V boring. I'm sure there are plenty out there like it. This is my experience almost exactly, my stepson loves the prequels and the Clone Wars cartoons. The original trilogy turns him into a zombie. Mention Star Wars to him and he'll tell you all about General Obi-Wan, Anakin and how cool Darth Maul is. Yoda to him is a flippy guy warrior. Grievous is the ultimate bad ass. Ask him who Luke or Han is and he'll stare at ya stupid. Wouldn't be able to pick out the Millennium Falcon out of a lineup either. And this isn't for lack of trying, I just can't get him to be interested or sit through the original trilogy without drool coming out of his mouth due to boredom.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 17, 2014 19:23:52 GMT -5
My best friend's kids, three of them aged 7-16, have fonder memories of Jar Jar Binks and hyperactive ninja Yoda than they do of Luke, Han, Chewie, and Dagobah Yoda. Two of them flat out consider Episodes IV and V boring. I'm sure there are plenty out there like it. This is my experience almost exactly, my stepson loves the prequels and the Clone Wars cartoons. The original trilogy turns him into a zombie. Mention Star Wars to him and he'll tell you all about General Obi-Wan, Anakin and how cool Darth Maul is. Yoda to him is a flippy guy warrior. Grievous is the ultimate bad ass. Ask him who Luke or Han is and he'll stare at ya stupid. Wouldn't be able to pick out the Millennium Falcon out of a lineup either. And this isn't for lack of trying, I just can't get him to be interested or sit through the original trilogy without drool coming out of his mouth due to boredom. Honestly, the prequels may be badly-acted and have poor storylines, but they're louder, brighter, and more kid-friendly than the original trilogy. To me, the original trilogy were films aimed at adults that were also suitable for kids. The prequel trilogy feels more like they were aimed at kids with enough callbacks to the original trilogy to keep adults happy.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 17, 2014 19:27:50 GMT -5
^I personally can't stand the first two films but they have an important role in the cannon regardless of my own preference.
In 20 years maybe he'll have "graduated" to the original trilogy and can thank the prequels for sucking him in. Who knows.
Kids views on Star Wars is that it's about an actual war of clones and robots and it's lead by the heroes and villains with light sabers. It's not at all the view we have. Muskrat is entirely spot on with his comment a few spots up.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on May 17, 2014 19:36:39 GMT -5
I tend to subscribe to RLM's theory, that Lucas really didn't put much thought into the screenplays. They sound like they were written relatively quickly with little care or consideration given to them. Bingo! Episodes I and II contain almost nothing that is important to the story. Lucas wasted so much time on absolutely nothing in those two that Ep. III (Which IS the best of the prequel trilogy, not that that means much) seemed rushed. "Anakin, turn to the Dark Side..." "NEVER!" "Aw, come on!" "Well, Alright."
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