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Post by SEAN CARLESS on May 17, 2014 20:36:31 GMT -5
Like I said, I doubt this to be the case. If there are 15 to 20 year olds around today who have fond memories of such iconic characters like Senator Amidala, General Grievous and the legendary Jango Fett, I'd be very surprised. My best friend's kids, three of them aged 7-16, have fonder memories of Jar Jar Binks. You should beat them on principle.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 17, 2014 20:55:07 GMT -5
Like I said, I doubt this to be the case. If there are 15 to 20 year olds around today who have fond memories of such iconic characters like Senator Amidala, General Grievous and the legendary Jango Fett, I'd be very surprised. And why do you doubt this? Because you don't like the Prequels? Do you really think it's old fans, and collectors buying the $3 billion worth of Star Wars toys sold last year? 9 years after the most recent true theatrical film?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2014 21:01:25 GMT -5
I'm just happy there are children that are fans of Star Wars. It's never a bad thing when generations find common ground.
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Post by Cyno on May 17, 2014 21:11:52 GMT -5
I'll chime in with my own experiences with the younger set. There's a neighbor kid of mine who grew up on the prequels and didn't watch the originals until after the fact. He thought they were boring and corny, only liking Return of the Jedi because of the Ewoks, lightsabers, and massive space battles.
And without nostalgia goggles, the original Star Wars suffers from a lot of the same problems as the prequels like haphazard acting (especially from Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher) and cheesy writing and dialogue. It shows you that Lucas has never really been an actor's director. Or a good scriptwriter.
And honestly, I personally hated Empire Strikes Back as a kid. I thought it was really boring. It took until I was about... 16 or so for me to really get into it. Now it's my favorite, but I can definitely understand why a kid wouldn't like it.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 17, 2014 21:44:14 GMT -5
Like I said, I doubt this to be the case. If there are 15 to 20 year olds around today who have fond memories of such iconic characters like Senator Amidala, General Grievous and the legendary Jango Fett, I'd be very surprised. And why do you doubt this? Because you don't like the Prequels? Do you really think it's old fans, and collectors buying the $3 billion worth of Star Wars toys sold last year? 9 years after the most recent true theatrical film? Honestly yes. Star Wars has a very passionate fanbase, and I believe it's the older fans who account for much of the merchandise sales when Ahsoka Tano's latest action figure (with a new hat!) goes on sale. If you look at the Toys R Us website for example, most of the stuff on sale relating to Star Wars is from the original trilogy, which younger generations I'm told find boring and dull. As for the standard of the prequels. It's true I don't like them, because they aren't good. Some may take a contrarian opinion but it never holds up to much scrutiny.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on May 17, 2014 21:45:43 GMT -5
I was nine years old when Episode 1 was released and I absolutely loved everything about it, especially Jar Jar Binks.
I was a very, very stupid kid.
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Post by benstudd on May 17, 2014 21:46:36 GMT -5
They should re-do the Prequels completly. Make it something that is worth watching and worth being called "Star Wars".
If I was in charge, I would re-do them for sure. Not right away though. There's much ground to cover before getting to that. Many other stories to cover in the mythos.
Then comes 2025 and boom you retell the whole story of Star Wars, how all of it came about.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 17, 2014 22:05:14 GMT -5
Just wanna throw out in Episodes 2 and 3 Ewan McGregor was pretty awesome. So there's that at least.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 17, 2014 22:15:51 GMT -5
The prequels had good casts. Lucas just didn't give them the quality of screenplay they deserved, and his direction is the epitome of laziness. Two cameras. Switch between them like Wayne looking at Cassandra.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 17, 2014 22:30:25 GMT -5
And why do you doubt this? Because you don't like the Prequels? Do you really think it's old fans, and collectors buying the $3 billion worth of Star Wars toys sold last year? 9 years after the most recent true theatrical film? Honestly yes. Star Wars has a very passionate fanbase, and I believe it's the older fans who account for much of the merchandise sales when Ahsoka Tano's latest action figure (with a new hat!) goes on sale. If you look at the Toys R Us website for example, most of the stuff on sale relating to Star Wars is from the original trilogy, which younger generations I'm told find boring and dull. As for the standard of the prequels. It's true I don't like them, because they aren't good. Some may take a contrarian opinion but it never holds up to much scrutiny. Alright, we'll agree to disagree then because I honestly feel very strongly to the contrary. However, I do wanna make it clear that I wasn't debating the quality of the prequels, I enjoy 3 despite the flaws but 1 and 2 are a tough watch. But personally, I would never tell someone they were wrong for enjoying them
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2014 22:40:07 GMT -5
However, I do wanna make it clear that I wasn't debating the quality of the prequels, I enjoy 3 despite the flaws but 1 and 2 are a tough watch. But personally, I would never tell someone they were wrong for enjoying them I agree with all this. Although, it wasn't until the 2012 3D re-release that I saw Phantom Menace in its entirety (I want to see the entire saga in theaters dammit!). By then, I was expecting the worst-- and just got a diverting but otherwise crappy movie. Attack of the Clones is still my least favorite.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 18, 2014 0:15:11 GMT -5
Honestly yes. Star Wars has a very passionate fanbase, and I believe it's the older fans who account for much of the merchandise sales when Ahsoka Tano's latest action figure (with a new hat!) goes on sale. If you look at the Toys R Us website for example, most of the stuff on sale relating to Star Wars is from the original trilogy, which younger generations I'm told find boring and dull. As for the standard of the prequels. It's true I don't like them, because they aren't good. Some may take a contrarian opinion but it never holds up to much scrutiny. Alright, we'll agree to disagree then because I honestly feel very strongly to the contrary. However, I do wanna make it clear that I wasn't debating the quality of the prequels, I enjoy 3 despite the flaws but 1 and 2 are a tough watch. But personally, I would never tell someone they were wrong for enjoying them Me neither. They are fine as dazzling special effects reels. Lots of spaceships flying around and lightsabre fights. My only bone of contention is when prequel fans try to argue that the plots make any coherent sense at all.
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Post by Cyno on May 18, 2014 0:46:41 GMT -5
I thought the plots made perfect sense. They weren't good scripts mind you, but good and making sense don't need to go hand-in-hand.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 18, 2014 1:03:13 GMT -5
The plots only make sense when people devise either their own convoluted theories to cover plot holes, or cite some obscure expanded universe source which 99% of the movie audience will be unaware of, because the movies themselves do not provide anything of the sort.
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SEAN CARLESS
Hank Scorpio
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on May 18, 2014 3:31:24 GMT -5
I thought the plots made perfect sense. They weren't good scripts mind you, but good and making sense don't need to go hand-in-hand. Ep. 2 made no sense from a characterization POV. Anakin in Ep. 1 was a giving, compassionate boy who expected nothing in return, whose only crime besides a general inability to be an actor was that he was too attached to his mother and scared of losing her. In Ep 2 , he's suddenly whiny, emo and all over the place, hating Obi-Wan one second whilst crying out "He's like my father!" the next. Plus, dude was a bit of a creepy stalker. There was literally no transition point between characters to explain this polar shift in attitude and entitlement.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2014 3:40:27 GMT -5
The prequals are just not what I believe would have happened. So I will be happy if they become non cannon.
To tell that story, it will need to be a very dark, violent and extremely disturbed set of movies, which show everything falling apart and the end of the Jedi. Not really suited to Star Wars target audience.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2014 4:21:28 GMT -5
Screw this....get a hold of me when the christmas special comes out for dvd and blu ray
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Post by Cyno on May 18, 2014 10:40:45 GMT -5
I thought the plots made perfect sense. They weren't good scripts mind you, but good and making sense don't need to go hand-in-hand. Ep. 2 made no sense from a characterization POV. Anakin in Ep. 1 was a giving, compassionate boy who expected nothing in return, whose only crime besides a general inability to be an actor was that he was too attached to his mother and scared of losing her. In Ep 2 , he's suddenly whiny, emo and all over the place, hating Obi-Wan one second whilst crying out "He's like my father!" the next. Plus, dude was a bit of a creepy stalker. There was literally no transition point between characters to explain this polar shift in attitude and entitlement. Anakin had 10 years of people telling him he was the chosen one and that he was going to bring balance back to the Force. It got to his head. Plus he was like 19 or something with girl problems in an order where romantic love is forbidden. Force Blue Balls would make anyone into a whiny emo jerk, especially at an age when guys tend to be hormone-fueled, immature jerks anyway.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on May 18, 2014 13:19:37 GMT -5
Alright, we'll agree to disagree then because I honestly feel very strongly to the contrary. However, I do wanna make it clear that I wasn't debating the quality of the prequels, I enjoy 3 despite the flaws but 1 and 2 are a tough watch. But personally, I would never tell someone they were wrong for enjoying them Me neither. They are fine as dazzling special effects reels. Lots of spaceships flying around and lightsabre fights. My only bone of contention is when prequel fans try to argue that the plots make any coherent sense at all. Let me know when you figure out when the Ewoks had the time to plan their massive forest traps to defeat the Empire. Mind you, "Jedi" has a whole bunch of issues. Like Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, Lando, and the droids basically murdering Jabba's non-combatant denizens via ship explosion because they just so happened to be on the barge.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 18, 2014 14:35:15 GMT -5
Me neither. They are fine as dazzling special effects reels. Lots of spaceships flying around and lightsabre fights. My only bone of contention is when prequel fans try to argue that the plots make any coherent sense at all. Let me know when you figure out when the Ewoks had the time to plan their massive forest traps to defeat the Empire. Admittedly the role of the Ewoks is the weakest part of the original trilogy. However it would have been avoided entirely had Lucas stuck to his initial plan and used the Wookiees instead. His cited reason that the Wookiees are technologically advanced and he wanted a primitive culture to overcome the Empire in a Vietnam analogy doesn't hold up since the battle only turns when a Wookiee ironically seizes control of an Imperial scout walker. In a sense, the inclusion of the Ewoks could have been a sign of the creative rot that would be seen in much greater scope in later Star Wars movies. But I don't think that the lamest part of the original trilogy compares with the systematic problems contained in the prequels.
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