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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2014 10:35:36 GMT -5
The way I see it, didn't Cena become the monster that Bray always promised he was last night? I mean, he literally had to bury Bray under a production crate to beat him, plus this... . You're forgetting Duct TapeGate. Cena's pulled this whole vaguely cheater-ish thing before.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 2, 2014 10:40:47 GMT -5
Cena didn't become a monster. He became the "ah, that clever old Cena, always one step ahead" bullshit that he often pulls.
It's nailed on that tonight, he'll be dippy bippy poopy woopy smiley Cena again
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 2, 2014 10:44:11 GMT -5
Cena in no way became the monster. He was grinning like normal and the commentary as selling it completely normally.
Even the stairs was only a)how is Bray still conscious, b)how impressive by Cena.
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Post by Andy Martin on Jun 2, 2014 10:51:22 GMT -5
I'll never understand how Cena losing a match will result in his legacy being diminished or tarnished. His legacy is never really on the line, so let stop pretending it is, WWE. This entire storyline needed something more tangible to it. On top of that, the audience factor has been really twisted. The audience gets behind Bray Wyatt and WWE blantantly says they're just brainwashed sheep who need John Cena to save them from Bray's influence. If they audiene get behind John Cena, WWE goes on and on about how much people love Cena. I know this phrase gets thrown around a lot, but WWE is actually insulting their audience in this case. That's crazy to me. Like they're trying to bully fans into cheering Cena at this point by saying they're all brainwashed. When they started up with that, this whole feud went from zero to stupid in a hurry. "THE VOICE OF THE WWE UNIVERSE MATTERS.......unless you're cheering bray wyatt." Given that the fans are cheering for the heel, and the heel is a "cult leader", the brainwashing comments make complete sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2014 10:53:00 GMT -5
I'll never understand how Cena losing a match will result in his legacy being diminished or tarnished. His legacy is never really on the line, so let stop pretending it is, WWE. This entire storyline needed something more tangible to it. On top of that, the audience factor has been really twisted. The audience gets behind Bray Wyatt and WWE blantantly says they're just brainwashed sheep who need John Cena to save them from Bray's influence. If they audiene get behind John Cena, WWE goes on and on about how much people love Cena. I know this phrase gets thrown around a lot, but WWE is actually insulting their audience in this case. That's crazy to me. Like they're trying to bully fans into cheering Cena at this point by saying they're all brainwashed. When they started up with that, this whole feud went from zero to stupid in a hurry. "THE VOICE OF THE WWE UNIVERSE MATTERS.......unless you're cheering bray wyatt." Given that the fans are cheering for the heel, and the heel is a "cult leader", the brainwashing comments make complete sense. I disagree. Bray's never said that he's a cult leader - that's been implied by the announcers. You can make the same arguement for the Cenation.
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Post by Kitty Shamrocks on Jun 2, 2014 10:54:26 GMT -5
Bray's fine, the match was good, and now they can both move on from singing demon children. I hope.
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Post by CM Parish on Jun 2, 2014 11:38:10 GMT -5
This is it for Bray as a credible anything. Terrible terrible match. Terrible terrible feud. Hahaha. Good joke.
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Post by RIHT on Jun 2, 2014 13:05:23 GMT -5
Damn, he lost to JOHN CENA? You're damn right he's buried. No one's ever come back from something that humiliating.![](http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h451/forehead7/whatdidyousay.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2014 14:25:52 GMT -5
I thought chucking the stairs at Bray looked like attempted murder. Cena should've won with that, Bray does a strecher job, Cena sells disbelief that he could do that to someone, WYATT BROUGHT OUT THE MONSTER MAGGLE etc.
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Post by Hot Noodle Truck on Jun 2, 2014 14:34:03 GMT -5
Maybe it's just me being terribly optimistic but I think Bray and the Wyatt Family will be fine. He did lose and in grand Cena fashion, I'm sure he'll be all smiles and jokes tonight, but Bray looked like a monster last night. Just a vicious monster that took everything Cena threw at him and kept coming back.
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Post by slaughterama on Jun 2, 2014 14:45:50 GMT -5
The real concern is, what is left for the Wyatt Family? Doesn't make sense for Bray to now target The Shield, again, after losing to Cena. It's a sideways step for him, and possibly a step back for The Shield.
From a momentum standpoint, Bray needs to win his last match with Cena, and then move back to feuding with The Shield through the summer. They are all going to need something to keep busy for the next few months, because what else is there for them?
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Post by ededdneddy on Jun 2, 2014 15:01:57 GMT -5
The real concern is, what is left for the Wyatt Family? Doesn't make sense for Bray to now target The Shield, again, after losing to Cena. It's a sideways step for him, and possibly a step back for The Shield. From a momentum standpoint, Bray needs to win his last match with Cena, and then move back to feuding with The Shield through the summer. They are all going to need something to keep busy for the next few months, because what else is there for them? I am wondering that too. Although they can go with saying how The Uso's shouldn't have been out there and continue a feud with them and have the Wyatts win the Tag Titles at Money in the Bank. Bray himself I could see being in the Money in the Bank match.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 2, 2014 15:09:00 GMT -5
Been saying for ages, the only logical step now for the Wyatts is to gain converts and take on the whole company, disrupting everything.
It would give stale acts something to do.
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Post by Stone Cold Eleanor Shellstrop on Jun 2, 2014 15:23:18 GMT -5
Been saying for ages, the only logical step now for the Wyatts is to gain converts and take on the whole company, disrupting everything. It would give stale acts something to do. So his first convert would be... John Cena? ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) I still come back to the issue as to whether or not that Wyatt would look better in victory than look good in defeat, especially when Cena is so god tier that takng a loss, even a flukey but clean loss to a heel in a gimmick match isn't going to hurt perceptions of Cena at all, whereas it's less likely so if we were to say as much about Wyatt.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jun 2, 2014 15:26:58 GMT -5
Bray will be a top heel, he's gained way too much momentum from this feud for it to be killed by losing to Cena.
Still stupid for Cena to win, though. What did Cena possibly have to gain from a win here?
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jun 2, 2014 15:33:46 GMT -5
Bray will get the rub just wrestling Cena, doesn't need to win. Look at Sandow and Ziggler. And Brock. Oh... Really unfair comparison. Lesnar was at the "superstar" level where he's basically teflon as far wins and losses are concerned. Unless they just book him terribly for like a year straight (which they will never do if for no other reason than he'll walk out before he lets them do it), he'll always bounce back and be credible because he's Brock Lesnar. Ziggler and Sandow didn't have that protection and those Cena feuds were the beginning of the end for them. They aren't the only guys it's happened to. Again, I don't think this loss to Cena will kill Bray but that comparison was just off to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2014 15:34:08 GMT -5
Bray will be a top heel, he's gained way too much momentum from this feud for it to be killed by losing to Cena. Still stupid for Cena to win, though. What did Cena possibly have to gain from a win here? They're always protecting him to build up to a big loss down the line. He put over Punk, he put over Bryan, so now we're waiting to see who he puts over next. I didn't think they'd use a real Cena loss on Bray Wyatt, that cage match definitely does not count.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jun 2, 2014 15:37:59 GMT -5
Bray will be a top heel, he's gained way too much momentum from this feud for it to be killed by losing to Cena. Still stupid for Cena to win, though. What did Cena possibly have to gain from a win here? They're always protecting him to build up to a big loss down the line. He put over Punk, he put over Bryan, so now we're waiting to see who he puts over next. I didn't think they'd use a real Cena loss on Bray Wyatt, that cage match definitely does not count. Even Punk never really got that big win, though. He never beat Cena clean, the best he could do was take Cena to a draw. It's just really annoying to me. It's not like WWE has this super deep roster of guys who are just waiting to bust out. Other than the Shield, who is really worthy of a clean Cena win at this point besides Bray?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2014 15:45:12 GMT -5
They're always protecting him to build up to a big loss down the line. He put over Punk, he put over Bryan, so now we're waiting to see who he puts over next. I didn't think they'd use a real Cena loss on Bray Wyatt, that cage match definitely does not count. Even Punk never really got that big win, though. He never beat Cena clean, the best he could do was take Cena to a draw. It's just really annoying to me. It's not like WWE has this super deep roster of guys who are just waiting to bust out. Other than the Shield, who is really worthy of a clean Cena win at this point besides Bray? I don't know, but I feel like it won't be until next year or even longer. It was 2 years between putting over Punk and Bryan. I just don't see anyone at the moment that's really caught on to the point of definitively going over Cena, outside of the Shield like you said. Roman Reigns could be that person. Maybe Big E if they rebuild him, and I think they will. Cesaro would be awesome but I just can't see it happening, maybe if/when he turns face.
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Post by angryfan on Jun 2, 2014 16:07:01 GMT -5
Judging by the aftermath of most Cena "feuds" (and for this I use that term very loosely), one of two things will happen. Bray and his boys will wind up back in ye olde midcard, or they will wind up somehow working against some combination of Kliqvolution like both Punk and Bryan did following their defeat of Cena.
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