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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Jan 15, 2015 15:57:21 GMT -5
The series was good overall but they could have easily cut almost half of the episodes out. All the individual wrestler biographies were really pointless, there should have just been one on Goldberg, Sting, and maybe a Rock/Austin one That would be kinda sorta counterproductive to building content for the Network...
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Post by 8.2.11/SAVIOR_NEZ on Jan 15, 2015 19:20:30 GMT -5
I'd give the Monday Night War series a classic Bret Hart 4/10.
As has been mentioned before, the constant recapping and repetition was really aggravating. It got to the point where I could recite the tired lines along with the narrator (complete with McMahon and Bischoff intros to RAW and Nitro respectively). They paced the series like they book their shows, like they believe fans have a 30 second attention span.
While it was cool to see some of the names interviewed (Stu Saks, Lex Luger, Vince Russo, etc.), and I did enjoy the first episode, the Bischoff/Flair episode, and the Russo episode, most of this was a waste of time. I was hoping for more inside stories information from the people that were there, and a less one-sided story being told. I guess that was asking for too much. This could have been a really cool show, but sadly it was another excuse to stroke Vince's ego.
Couple of extra notes: - That InVasion episode was a joke. The InVasion was a failure because there were no big WCW stars? That was part of it, but how about because it was booked horribly?
- They really needed new Eric Bischoff interviews.
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Post by Paco on Jan 15, 2015 21:44:57 GMT -5
Never Forget...
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jan 15, 2015 23:10:43 GMT -5
Vince McMahon is a visionary genius that i'd totally sleep with.
Attitude was like nothing anyone had ever seen ..well if they never saw ECW
And saying they didn't have stars for the invasion isn't totally right. Booker and DDP were big deals. They just put focus on Austin and the McMahon kids. It was stupid.
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Post by Zach on Jan 16, 2015 11:32:34 GMT -5
Plus they never mentioned that at one point, they WERE going to basically put WCW back on as its own show but do it on Raw. Does no one remember that episode where they brought back Tony Schaivone on commentary and basically turned it into Nitro for I think a match or two? I remember them insinuating that WCW would be its own show again
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Post by Steveweiser on Jan 16, 2015 13:39:10 GMT -5
The experiment with WCW on RAW was with Scott Hudson and Arn Anderson on commentary.
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Post by percymania on Jan 17, 2015 6:49:31 GMT -5
Man, that last episode reminded me of how great 2002-2003 was.
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Post by wcc2 on Jan 17, 2015 15:17:43 GMT -5
I've never seen anyone write a better, more realistic and doable version of the Invasion than what we ended up getting. I really think circumstances dictated it could never have been as good as people thought it could be.
All I've heard people say is they should have booked WCW guys like equals, but short of the likes of Hogan, Flair, Nash, Goldberg coming in and getting that treatment, it would have been frankly ridiculous for the likes of Shane Helms and Shaun Stasiak even to start looking like big threads to WWF mid card acts that had played a huge part in winning that way.
As Heyman said, the roster for the Invasion from WCW's point of view was like that from a bad episode of Thunder. The guys with guaranteed contracts didn't need to work, so Vince would have had to throw ludicrous money for them to come in early, and holding off for another year would have risked a lot of fans switching off and losing any buzz that the Invasion could have gotten.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 18:01:04 GMT -5
I am just watching the first episode of this series on the Network now. Are all the episodes narrated by the dude from Mass Effect? If so, I'll keep watching this regardless of seeing all these clips 1,000,000,000 times.
*EDIT - Just checked his wikipedia page and Keith David has worked on and off with WWE since 2000. Guess he's a fan as well as a gamer. What a dude.*
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 15, 2015 4:29:23 GMT -5
Sorry for the resurrection but hated to start a new thread. I watched the one today about the midcarders and in the same episode where they slam WCW for stealing their stars they go on to brag about taking Big Show. OK. WWE has always been MASSIVELY hypocritical about the 'stealing' thing. Bischoff, if anything, stole less people than the WWE ever did. Bischoff just offered people money, often to then not use a guy. You want to blame somebody, blame the talent. They could go to the WWF for their 'opportunity' contracts or to ECW to get paid very little (or in the later days, nothing at all), or they could go to WCW and make money, to feed their families. As Bischoff said on the Rise and Fall DVD, that's not a raid. If anything, I'd say that Vince was by far the worst guy for raiding when he sucked up all the territory stars in the 80s, but even that's not a raid, because again, it's the talent's decision. In the immortal words of Krusty the Klown - 'they drove a dump truck full of money up to my house, I'm not made of stone!' You need to make a living. You need to earn money. Family or no family. You have rent, and you have utilities, and groceries to buy. Not everyone can afford to go to ECW and get blasted with a chair every week or so for $50. Quite apart from which in Big Show's case in particular, Vince infamously used to make fun of WCW for not knowing how to book a giant, and then Show's WWF/E career has been, for the most part, a joke. Do you think Vince would have ever made Andre sell for Rey Mysterio? I mean Jesus, would he have even made Big John Studd or Hulk Hogan sell for Rey Mysterio?
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jul 15, 2015 9:37:37 GMT -5
Do you think Vince would have ever made Andre sell for Rey Mysterio? I mean Jesus, would he have even made Big John Studd or Hulk Hogan sell for Rey Mysterio? Hogan during his first run in WWF probably would have laughed in Vince's face if Vince told him not to sell for Mysterio. Sorry, just had to get that in there. Hogan in first WWF run would sell for anyone, it didn't matter who you were, he'd make you look like a main eventer and look liked you were a threat to him.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 15, 2015 9:50:44 GMT -5
Do you think Vince would have ever made Andre sell for Rey Mysterio? I mean Jesus, would he have even made Big John Studd or Hulk Hogan sell for Rey Mysterio? Hogan during his first run in WWF probably would have laughed in Vince's face if Vince told him not to sell for Mysterio. Sorry, just had to get that in there. Hogan in first WWF run would sell for anyone, it didn't matter who you were, he'd make you look like a main eventer and look liked you were a threat to him. Okay true, Hogan was a bad example, but the point still stands.
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Post by wildojinx on Jul 28, 2015 14:30:31 GMT -5
I still want to know where that Ted Turner interview is from. Ted barely discussed wrestling even when he ran wcw (he was more proud of cartoon network to be honest, and still is).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 18:52:31 GMT -5
I'm finally watching the complete series on DVD. So far, what people say about it was entirely true.
Basically, WCW did nothing right. I'm watching the Embracing Attitude episode right now where they extol their Hardcore division while say WCW's sucked.
Granted, WCW did plunder matches for the sake of plunder matches, but they tried to do something with it
I'll provide a full review soon.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Sept 25, 2016 3:48:32 GMT -5
I'm finally watching the complete series on DVD. So far, what people say about it was entirely true. Basically, WCW did nothing right. I'm watching the Embracing Attitude episode right now where they extol their Hardcore division while say WCW's sucked. Granted, WCW did plunder matches for the sake of plunder matches, but they tried to do something with it I'll provide a full review soon. I'm not sure the Hardcore division is exactly the best choice of examples. WCW's Hardcore division was a blatant ripoff, and the only notable thing to come of it was Screamin' Norman Smiley. And then, there was that godawful idea where the matches had to begin backstage and end in the ring, so they essentially put rules on a no rules match. Meanwhile, the WWF had the 24/7 rule which was simpler in execution and got Crash Holly even more over than Smiley ever was, while giving even the lowest tier of talent like the Mean Street Posse something to do. And then during the Invasion angle, RVD's series of Hardcore title matches with Jeff Hardy is what got RVD over as a main event level talent.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2016 19:08:50 GMT -5
I'm finally watching the complete series on DVD. So far, what people say about it was entirely true. Basically, WCW did nothing right. I'm watching the Embracing Attitude episode right now where they extol their Hardcore division while say WCW's sucked. Granted, WCW did plunder matches for the sake of plunder matches, but they tried to do something with it I'll provide a full review soon. I'm not sure the Hardcore division is exactly the best choice of examples. WCW's Hardcore division was a blatant ripoff, and the only notable thing to come of it was Screamin' Norman Smiley. And then, there was that godawful idea where the matches had to begin backstage and end in the ring, so they essentially put rules on a no rules match. Meanwhile, the WWF had the 24/7 rule which was simpler in execution and got Crash Holly even more over than Smiley ever was, while giving even the lowest tier of talent like the Mean Street Posse something to do. And then during the Invasion angle, RVD's series of Hardcore title matches with Jeff Hardy is what got RVD over as a main event level talent. Bad example, I know. But it can't be said about the Nitro Girls vs. Sable & Jacqueline or other things. Its also frustrating that most of the WCW guys blamed Standards & Practices for not emulating the Attitude Era when their writing sucked.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Jan 30, 2017 20:19:14 GMT -5
Just got done watching the celebrity/mainstream episode. I hate the Arquette stuff. It was a fluke win on Thunder at a time that WCW needed to gain some interest. Look at the damn crowd, they popped for it! How is it any different than Vince fluking a victory over Triple H? It's not like they tried to build Arquette as some kind of credible threat. History is written by the winners, ladies and gentlemen. Sadly WWE has blown this one up and up and up and all the Piper's, Arn Anderson's etc of this world are more than happy to drone on and on about it until everyone believes it. Well, to be fair, Vince DID give the title up immediately after he won it, to set up the six-pack challenge. Maybe they were afraid he'd go to WCW and throw it in the trash.
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