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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 8, 2014 13:57:33 GMT -5
The fact that "Yes" has won this poll sums up everything you could want to know about this forum. No true wrestling fan wants a promotion to close down. I'm sorry you feel that way man, if there was any way to save tna, but there isn't, tna is like the Dallas Cowboys, they're never gonna win if Jerry Jones keeps being the GM, in TNA's case, as long as Dixie Carter keeps running it they're gonna be mediocre at best, the difference between Jones and Carter is that she doesn't have his resources, she won't be able to keep funding it without Spike's money, TNA's death is a reality that we all need to accept, there's too much stigma attached to it, no one wants to buy it, no one is gonna pay for a timeslot in the f***ing Velocity channel.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 8, 2014 14:19:49 GMT -5
Maybe with the TNA contracts off their backs they could make more money in other places due to higher booking fees and can appear on TV/PPV/IPPV's now for other companies. If they can't then maybe they should just find a new line of business. To me that says more about the quality of the wrestlers that do appear on Impact every week, that if the show goes under they can't make enough money wrestling elsewhere to survive. Plenty of indy wrestlers can do it, why can't someone that's on a nationally broadcast TV show...unless the fact that that person will work for peanuts is the main reason they have a wrestling job in the first place. ". For me, it's the worry that if TNA folds, most of these guys careers will have peaked, and that even if they're getting those bookings, wrestling fans do not have easy access to their work.
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Post by bluemeii on Sept 8, 2014 14:37:04 GMT -5
Maybe with the TNA contracts off their backs they could make more money in other places due to higher booking fees and can appear on TV/PPV/IPPV's now for other companies. If they can't then maybe they should just find a new line of business. To me that says more about the quality of the wrestlers that do appear on Impact every week, that if the show goes under they can't make enough money wrestling elsewhere to survive. Plenty of indy wrestlers can do it, why can't someone that's on a nationally broadcast TV show...unless the fact that that person will work for peanuts is the main reason they have a wrestling job in the first place. ". For me, it's the worry that if TNA folds, most of these guys careers will have peaked, and that even if they're getting those bookings, wrestling fans do not have easy access to their work. That is true. Well just think of that like a territory. Get on a forum for that fed, do some tape trading. There's always ways to watch other feds that don't have a TV deal. I'm sorry but not every wrestler that everyone likes can be seen all the time. If this is the peak of their careers then so be it. It's the market in 2014. If you want to look at it another way, you want to blame someone for TNA tanking, blame it's hardcore fanbase. That's where they should be making their money as a company. Unfortunately you can go online on PPV and see more people in a couple sites chat rooms "borrowing" the feed then they get in total buys. TNA's biggest issue isn't anything but their fans feeling of entitlement. (mods: not condoning illegally watching PPV"s. Part of my job is informal surveys of these numbers, along with discovering the sites)
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Post by Push R Truth on Sept 8, 2014 15:28:39 GMT -5
The fact that "Yes" has won this poll sums up everything you could want to know about this forum. No true wrestling fan wants a promotion to close down. No true Scotsman would say that!
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Sept 8, 2014 15:31:12 GMT -5
No.
I'm not sure what benefit anyone gets from TNA going out of business.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 15:36:07 GMT -5
No. I'm not sure what benefit anyone gets from TNA going out of business. Conversely what benefit does anyone get from TNA staying in business? The talent isn't making much money, WWE seems to have no use for anyone that spends time in TNA(outside of the obvious former WWE guys), attendance at their events is laughable, they haven't shown much growth in viewership in quite some time and have even regressed, the TNA brand is damaged far beyond repair, SpikeTV is about to drop them(and they aren't likely to get a deal with any legit TV station), pretty much no one is ordering their PPVs, there's no way that they're making much money as a company, the list goes on and on. All of the talent would be better off in the indy's without the stink of TNA on them, at least then the WWE might give them a look if they were able to reinvent themself into something interesting.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Sept 9, 2014 16:14:28 GMT -5
No. I'm not sure what benefit anyone gets from TNA going out of business. Conversely what benefit does anyone get from TNA staying in business? The talent isn't making much money, WWE seems to have no use for anyone that spends time in TNA(outside of the obvious former WWE guys), attendance at their events is laughable, they haven't shown much growth in viewership in quite some time and have even regressed, the TNA brand is damaged far beyond repair, SpikeTV is about to drop them(and they aren't likely to get a deal with any legit TV station), pretty much no one is ordering their PPVs, there's no way that they're making much money as a company, the list goes on and on. All of the talent would be better off in the indy's without the stink of TNA on them, at least then the WWE might give them a look if they were able to reinvent themself into something interesting. 1. Another wrestling company to watch. Not everyone can afford to buy DVDs of companies or stay up until 3am to watch crappy quality streams. TNA is easily accessible wrestling. 2. You say the talent isn't making much money, but they're still making it. If the getting was that bad, they'd have left by now. Some of these guys are probably getting the best payoffs they've ever had. 3. One less place to work. Some of these guys are in TNA because they have no other place to go. It could be hard to see a guy like Low Ki or Austin Aries on a major stage again if TNA went out of business. 4. Provides competition for WWE. Not very good competition admittedly. Hell, they're aren't even a blip on WWE's radar. But at least they provide a different product to watch easily every week. Without TNA there's an even bigger gap between WWE and every other wrestling company. 5. You aren't listening any reasons why it'd be beneficial for TNA to go out of business, you're listing reasons why they may go out of business. Two completely different things.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 16:25:32 GMT -5
Conversely what benefit does anyone get from TNA staying in business? The talent isn't making much money, WWE seems to have no use for anyone that spends time in TNA(outside of the obvious former WWE guys), attendance at their events is laughable, they haven't shown much growth in viewership in quite some time and have even regressed, the TNA brand is damaged far beyond repair, SpikeTV is about to drop them(and they aren't likely to get a deal with any legit TV station), pretty much no one is ordering their PPVs, there's no way that they're making much money as a company, the list goes on and on. All of the talent would be better off in the indy's without the stink of TNA on them, at least then the WWE might give them a look if they were able to reinvent themself into something interesting. 1. Another wrestling company to watch. Not everyone can afford to buy DVDs of companies or stay up until 3am to watch crappy quality streams. TNA is easily accessible wrestling. 2. You say the talent isn't making much money, but they're still making it. If the getting was that bad, they'd have left by now. Some of these guys are probably getting the best payoffs they've ever had. 3. One less place to work. Some of these guys are in TNA because they have no other place to go. It could be hard to see a guy like Low Ki or Austin Aries on a major stage again if TNA went out of business. 4. Provides competition for WWE. Not very good competition admittedly. Hell, they're aren't even a blip on WWE's radar. But at least they provide a different product to watch easily every week. Without TNA there's an even bigger gap between WWE and every other wrestling company. 5. You aren't listening any reasons why it'd be beneficial for TNA to go out of business, you're listing reasons why they may go out of business. Two completely different things. You're kind of not understanding/paying attention to my points. 1. Once TNA gets dropped by Spike it most likely will not be easily accessible for a large portion of even it's hardcore viewers. 2 and 3. Go hand in hand, most of the people in TNA can't go anywhere else because they've either burned bridges elsewhere, the WWE isn't interested or they outright suck so they take whatever TNA offers(which isn't much) 4. They're not competition for the WWE, they're an alternative. A piss poor alternative that often rips off the WWE, but an alternative nonetheless. 5. It's like asking "how would it be beneficial for the XFL to go out of business?" The reasons that they may go out of business are reasons why it's not beneficial for them to stay in business.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Sept 9, 2014 16:29:27 GMT -5
1. Another wrestling company to watch. Not everyone can afford to buy DVDs of companies or stay up until 3am to watch crappy quality streams. TNA is easily accessible wrestling. 2. You say the talent isn't making much money, but they're still making it. If the getting was that bad, they'd have left by now. Some of these guys are probably getting the best payoffs they've ever had. 3. One less place to work. Some of these guys are in TNA because they have no other place to go. It could be hard to see a guy like Low Ki or Austin Aries on a major stage again if TNA went out of business. 4. Provides competition for WWE. Not very good competition admittedly. Hell, they're aren't even a blip on WWE's radar. But at least they provide a different product to watch easily every week. Without TNA there's an even bigger gap between WWE and every other wrestling company. 5. You aren't listening any reasons why it'd be beneficial for TNA to go out of business, you're listing reasons why they may go out of business. Two completely different things. You're kind of not understanding/paying attention to my points.1. Once TNA gets dropped by Spike it most likely will not be easily accessible for a large portion of even it's hardcore viewers. 2 and 3. Go hand in hand, most of the people in TNA can't go anywhere else because they've either burned bridges elsewhere, the WWE isn't interested or they outright suck so they take whatever TNA offers(which isn't much) 4. They're not competition for the WWE, they're an alternative. A piss poor alternative that often rips off the WWE, but an alternative nonetheless. 5. It's like asking "how would it be beneficial for the XFL to go out of business?" The reasons that they may go out of business are reasons why it's not beneficial for them to stay in business. No I understand, you're just making points that are completely irrelevant to my original question. If TNA lost their TV deal, all their wrestlers, all their staff and all their money.....it STILL wouldn't be "beneficial" to go out of business. It would just be the next logical step. That's not "beneficial" to anyone though. Who is benefiting from that? No one.
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Post by benstudd on Sept 10, 2014 20:03:35 GMT -5
Maybe with the TNA contracts off their backs they could make more money in other places due to higher booking fees and can appear on TV/PPV/IPPV's now for other companies. If they can't then maybe they should just find a new line of business. To me that says more about the quality of the wrestlers that do appear on Impact every week, that if the show goes under they can't make enough money wrestling elsewhere to survive. Plenty of indy wrestlers can do it, why can't someone that's on a nationally broadcast TV show...unless the fact that that person will work for peanuts is the main reason they have a wrestling job in the first place. That's a big "what if". Meanwhile, as a fan, I have to live in a reality where there's less wrestling to watch on TV.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Sept 10, 2014 21:07:37 GMT -5
Maybe with the TNA contracts off their backs they could make more money in other places due to higher booking fees and can appear on TV/PPV/IPPV's now for other companies. If they can't then maybe they should just find a new line of business. To me that says more about the quality of the wrestlers that do appear on Impact every week, that if the show goes under they can't make enough money wrestling elsewhere to survive. Plenty of indy wrestlers can do it, why can't someone that's on a nationally broadcast TV show...unless the fact that that person will work for peanuts is the main reason they have a wrestling job in the first place. That's a big "what if". Meanwhile, as a fan, I have to live in a reality where there's less wrestling to watch on TV. Considering the strong rumor is they are going to a network that gets only half the potential audience of Spike, you'll most likely be living with that reality anyway.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 10, 2014 21:24:35 GMT -5
That's a big "what if". Meanwhile, as a fan, I have to live in a reality where there's less wrestling to watch on TV. Considering the strong rumor is they are going to a network that gets only half the potential audience of Spike, you'll most likely be living with that reality anyway. I'd rather they have shitty TV than no TV.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 10, 2014 22:45:20 GMT -5
Considering the strong rumor is they are going to a network that gets only half the potential audience of Spike, you'll most likely be living with that reality anyway. I'd rather they have shitty TV than no TV. Still not going to stop TNA from firing folks and making deep budget cuts to try to survive. Shitty tv deal means an even more watered down, money strapped show.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 10, 2014 23:39:13 GMT -5
I'd rather they have shitty TV than no TV. Still not going to stop TNA from firing folks and making deep budget cuts to try to survive. Shitty tv deal means an even more watered down, money strapped show. I feel that watering down (not by cutting talents) is a necessary evil for TNA. I honestly believe that they could get by if they gave up on trying to compete with WWE and just focused on being the best TNA they can be. Get rid of everything that solely exists to say "See, we're big just like WWE" and that saves a lot of money.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 11, 2014 0:12:46 GMT -5
Still not going to stop TNA from firing folks and making deep budget cuts to try to survive. Shitty tv deal means an even more watered down, money strapped show. I feel that watering down (not by cutting talents) is a necessary evil for TNA. I honestly believe that they could get by if they gave up on trying to compete with WWE and just focused on being the best TNA they can be. Get rid of everything that solely exists to say "See, we're big just like WWE" and that saves a lot of money. They are already making cuts to things like production and merchandise. They are firing wrestlers along with folks who work different areas in the company. This is reality. TNA isn't trying to be WWE anymore. They are trying to see another week. Cut down anymore, they become a midsized indy. And what is the point of working for a midsized indy with barely any tv with the same pay you can make being a freelancer? Being in TNA isn't opening up bookings like years ago.
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Post by Starshine on Sept 11, 2014 0:34:47 GMT -5
TNA dying is the absolute worst case scenario for fans and wrestlers. Yes, they're not close to the size of WWE and probably never will be. But it's still a place where guys can get work and decent exposure. This isn't anything like the XFL, which was it's own bizarre monster. This is a company that has been well ingrained in the professional wrestling business for over 10 years and has given opportunities to guys to actually make names for themselves and expand their opportunities because of it. Losing TNA means less work and less opportunity for these guys. Even if they fall to a lesser exposed TV deal, it's still a better place to get people to notice you than your typical local indy fed.
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Post by Ryushinku on Sept 11, 2014 6:45:02 GMT -5
The counter is that it may open up opportunities for another company or companies to come along and do a better job. That's arguable, but it is a counter.
I'd still rather they got BETTER, rather than die, but I think it's just a firmly damaged brand by now. They can still put out really good episodes of Impact, but TNA is a whole just feels like it's going nowhere fast.
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Post by benstudd on Sept 11, 2014 21:58:57 GMT -5
That's a big "what if". Meanwhile, as a fan, I have to live in a reality where there's less wrestling to watch on TV. Considering the strong rumor is they are going to a network that gets only half the potential audience of Spike, you'll most likely be living with that reality anyway. Somehow it feels like a big "watch out what you wish for" current in that post. I'm just waiting for them to have another network so that I can say they suck again.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 11, 2014 23:44:41 GMT -5
It's past the point of wishing tna would die, tna needs to die, they went from old yeller to a mutated zombie that's going to kill us if we don't take it out first, I hope I'm not the only one embarrassed about bound for glory, I think the production is gonna be worse than one of the early roh's ppv. Match wise I don't have much hope, they're gonna be in front off the most demanding fans on the planet, except for 3 guys or less than that, no one else knows how to work strong style. I even wonder if they're gonna be able to pay for everything, or maybe Wrestle 1 picks up the bill, in exchange of the whole roster doing jobs for the Japanese stars. Another thing that worries me is the difference in time zones, I hope it's not too much, I can't see many tna fans staying up too late on a Sunday...
Here are some of the guys who could appear (if Dixie can still afford them) on the ppv. Samoa Joe Abyss Roode MVP Lashley Kenny King Austin Aries Ken Anderson Gunner Shaw Amongst others...
I'm sorry I don't care about this guys, tna had years to establish some of them as superstars, they should've represented TNA's vision, instead they were used to put the wwe rejects over.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 0:10:06 GMT -5
Wanting TNA to die is exactly what a wrestling fan would do.
I'm a football fan and I'd approve of a football team disbanding if every time they played their staff ran out and took a crap in the middle of the field.
That's what TNA is. Actually it is worse because it's not just crap in the middle of a field. It takes a crap on wrestling as a whole, the fans, and their families. Especially their children.
Also what if an ignorant family member realizes a kid in their family likes wrestling and accidentally buys them a Gunner or THE BOSS Bobby Lashley shirt? Do you want that blood on your hands?
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