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Post by creepytennis on Sept 17, 2014 4:42:29 GMT -5
Wanting TNA to die is exactly what a wrestling fan would do. I'm a football fan and I'd approve of a football team disbanding if every time they played their staff ran out and took a crap in the middle of the field. That's funny because I'm English and I'm a (what you call) soccer fan. I support Blackpool FC which means I'm honour bound to hate Preston FC and everything about them. We sing insulting songs about them. We criticise everything they do. But if Preston were actually on the brink of closure, me and every Blackpool supporter I know would want to save the club. That's why I find the attitude on this forum so shocking. Wrestling fans don't want wrestling companies to fold. End of.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 5:36:24 GMT -5
Wanting TNA to die is exactly what a wrestling fan would do. I'm a football fan and I'd approve of a football team disbanding if every time they played their staff ran out and took a crap in the middle of the field. That's funny because I'm English and I'm a (what you call) soccer fan. I support Blackpool FC which means I'm honour bound to hate Preston FC and everything about them. We sing insulting songs about them. We criticise everything they do. But if Preston were actually on the brink of closure, me and every Blackpool supporter I know would want to save the club. That's why I find the attitude on this forum so shocking. Wrestling fans don't want wrestling companies to fold. End of. That's like saying that movie fans don't want any movies to flop, or comic fans don't want to see any books cancelled. Personally, I want TNA to die because it does not deserve to succeed. After all of the stupid, self-destructive things Dixie has done only to be bailed out time and time again, she does not deserve to have things work out for her. She deserves to lose her company, especially in light of all of the horrible things they've done to people working for them.
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Post by ededdneddy on Sept 17, 2014 11:06:34 GMT -5
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 17, 2014 11:17:33 GMT -5
At the end of the day, TNA made a lot of mistakes, one of which is taking away a lot of work from the undercard. When TNA first started to grow, their talent could still taking bookings anywhere they wanted. They tried to do more exclusive work (which is fine) but the pay didn't meet the contract (not fine).
If TNA gets another TV deal, even if it's something like Velocity, it's still a decent gig as long as TNA doesn't mess it up (that's asking for a lot). But having national tv (even at a much smaller level) is a big deal.
I don't want TNA to die, because even with as bad as they messed up, they're still a viable option to be a good alternative as long as they don't try to focus on the WWE like they did. It would require a lot of work, and a lot of changes, but they could become a solid number 2 option again. A very very distant number 2 that would have to share talent with the indies, but a number 2 that could attract indy guys again rather than most wanting next to nothing to do with the company.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 17, 2014 11:31:17 GMT -5
At the end of the day, TNA made a lot of mistakes, one of which is taking away a lot of work from the undercard. When TNA first started to grow, their talent could still taking bookings anywhere they wanted. They tried to do more exclusive work (which is fine) but the pay didn't meet the contract (not fine). If TNA gets another TV deal, even if it's something like Velocity, it's still a decent gig as long as TNA doesn't mess it up (that's asking for a lot). But having national tv (even at a much smaller level) is a big deal. I don't want TNA to die, because even with as bad as they messed up, they're still a viable option to be a good alternative as long as they don't try to focus on the WWE like they did. It would require a lot of work, and a lot of changes, but they could become a solid number 2 option again. A very very distant number 2 that would have to share talent with the indies, but a number 2 that could attract indy guys again rather than most wanting next to nothing to do with the company. The problem is that those chances won't happen as long Dixie is running the show. TNA at this point is to much damaged goods to be taken seriously by most people and until they can pay talent decently they won't ever make it. I mean people claim that GFW and Jarrett is some kind of myth. Honestly I think people fail too see that Jarrett only started at the beginning of year putting that project together. The way the internet works today compared too 2002 is way different as in what does get out. The reason why we don't know much is because Jarrett is making sure EVERYTHING is in line and not out of order before signing talent. He learned from TNA and doesn't want to make those same mistakes again. From what I understand he working on places to tape weekly shows but doing it better by having more than one "impact zone" so to speak which is changing the setting LA, Dallas, and NY I recall. Plus getting investors in to it first to make sure they have the money behind it all. Keep in mind we really don't know how long TNA was being planned before we saw it take air. I think Jarrett said a lot of it was in 01 in the planning stages and this is what we are seeing right now. The launch wasn't until 2015 so he got a lot done and a lot that needs to be done but he not rushing it.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 17, 2014 14:01:25 GMT -5
At the end of the day, TNA made a lot of mistakes, one of which is taking away a lot of work from the undercard. When TNA first started to grow, their talent could still taking bookings anywhere they wanted. They tried to do more exclusive work (which is fine) but the pay didn't meet the contract (not fine). If TNA gets another TV deal, even if it's something like Velocity, it's still a decent gig as long as TNA doesn't mess it up (that's asking for a lot). But having national tv (even at a much smaller level) is a big deal. I don't want TNA to die, because even with as bad as they messed up, they're still a viable option to be a good alternative as long as they don't try to focus on the WWE like they did. It would require a lot of work, and a lot of changes, but they could become a solid number 2 option again. A very very distant number 2 that would have to share talent with the indies, but a number 2 that could attract indy guys again rather than most wanting next to nothing to do with the company. The problem is that those chances won't happen as long Dixie is running the show. TNA at this point is to much damaged goods to be taken seriously by most people and until they can pay talent decently they won't ever make it. I mean people claim that GFW and Jarrett is some kind of myth. Honestly I think people fail too see that Jarrett only started at the beginning of year putting that project together. The way the internet works today compared too 2002 is way different as in what does get out. The reason why we don't know much is because Jarrett is making sure EVERYTHING is in line and not out of order before signing talent. He learned from TNA and doesn't want to make those same mistakes again. From what I understand he working on places to tape weekly shows but doing it better by having more than one "impact zone" so to speak which is changing the setting LA, Dallas, and NY I recall. Plus getting investors in to it first to make sure they have the money behind it all. Keep in mind we really don't know how long TNA was being planned before we saw it take air. I think Jarrett said a lot of it was in 01 in the planning stages and this is what we are seeing right now. The launch wasn't until 2015 so he got a lot done and a lot that needs to be done but he not rushing it. One thing TNA did right is they started small and expanded over time. The problem was when they got too big for their britches. Jarrett seems to want to start big, and that may end up not working out.
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Post by Woo on Sept 17, 2014 14:20:20 GMT -5
I don't want TNA to die as much as I want the WWE to own their footage for the Network.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 17, 2014 14:24:09 GMT -5
I don't want TNA to die as much as I want the WWE to own their footage for the Network. Why? I get that people want WWE to have footage Sting or whoever's TNA work. But as much as I love TNA, none of those guys have had "iconic" moments in TNA worth putting on a documentary.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Sept 17, 2014 14:25:47 GMT -5
I think an accurate representation of my feelings towards current TNA would be the ending of the Ric Flair vs HBK mania match.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 17, 2014 14:28:33 GMT -5
At this point it doesn't matter.
TNA is redundant. It can never be a competitor to WWE. Everyone has always known that, but now, the niche it should have filled, being an alternative to WWE, has already been filled, by NXT.
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Post by Woo on Sept 17, 2014 15:10:27 GMT -5
I don't want TNA to die as much as I want the WWE to own their footage for the Network. Why? I get that people want WWE to have footage Sting or whoever's TNA work. But as much as I love TNA, none of those guys have had "iconic" moments in TNA worth putting on a documentary. Kurt Angle does for sure. He's had as many, or more, classic matches in TNA than he does in the WWE. Jeff Hardy has had many great matches in TNA too, and if they did a career DVD of him how can you not talk about Victory Road? Plus the WWE could make a killing with The Rise and Fall of TNA or simply release the Ultimate X DVD. Or better yet I could watch the entire Joe/Daniels/Styles rivalry whenever I want.
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Post by bluemeii on Sept 17, 2014 15:24:42 GMT -5
At this point it doesn't matter. TNA is redundant. It can never be a competitor to WWE. Everyone has always known that, but now, the niche it should have filled, being an alternative to WWE, has already been filled, by NXT. I just wanted to quote this because it makes so much damn sense. It literally condenses everything wrong with TNA right now and in the past in to a couple sentences that explain it all.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 17, 2014 22:16:37 GMT -5
The problem is that those chances won't happen as long Dixie is running the show. TNA at this point is to much damaged goods to be taken seriously by most people and until they can pay talent decently they won't ever make it. I mean people claim that GFW and Jarrett is some kind of myth. Honestly I think people fail too see that Jarrett only started at the beginning of year putting that project together. The way the internet works today compared too 2002 is way different as in what does get out. The reason why we don't know much is because Jarrett is making sure EVERYTHING is in line and not out of order before signing talent. He learned from TNA and doesn't want to make those same mistakes again. From what I understand he working on places to tape weekly shows but doing it better by having more than one "impact zone" so to speak which is changing the setting LA, Dallas, and NY I recall. Plus getting investors in to it first to make sure they have the money behind it all. Keep in mind we really don't know how long TNA was being planned before we saw it take air. I think Jarrett said a lot of it was in 01 in the planning stages and this is what we are seeing right now. The launch wasn't until 2015 so he got a lot done and a lot that needs to be done but he not rushing it. One thing TNA did right is they started small and expanded over time. The problem was when they got too big for their britches. Jarrett seems to want to start big, and that may end up not working out. The company didn't start small. It started on National PPV and almost went belly up in a couple of months and that's how Dixie and Co got into it because they had the money and Jarrett wanted TNA to go on. Look at the first shows and tell me what was small about it. They had the biggest stars at the time there. Sabu, Hall,Dusty Rhodes, Jarrett, Shamrock, and the list goes on for the first year. They had famous people on the early shows Toby Keith on the debut show then a bunch of D listers like Screech. Hulk Hogan was advertised in early 03 in the first year. Hogan end up not coming making TNA look foolish.
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Post by Been burned too many times on Sept 17, 2014 22:57:02 GMT -5
People are still saying they aren't an alternative? The hell do you want? A company to be exactly how you see them in your head?
Impact is completely different from RAW. What they focus on are completely different whether it be characters, feuds or storyline wise. TNA is an alternative, you just don't like it. And that's fine but they are an alternative. The shows don't even feel the same.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Sept 18, 2014 12:15:38 GMT -5
Wanting TNA to die is exactly what a wrestling fan would do. I'm a football fan and I'd approve of a football team disbanding if every time they played their staff ran out and took a crap in the middle of the field. That's funny because I'm English and I'm a (what you call) soccer fan. I support Blackpool FC which means I'm honour bound to hate Preston FC and everything about them. We sing insulting songs about them. We criticise everything they do. But if Preston were actually on the brink of closure, me and every Blackpool supporter I know would want to save the club. That's why I find the attitude on this forum so shocking. Wrestling fans don't want wrestling companies to fold. End of. I'm an American and not a soccer fan, so let me ask, how far would you be willing to take it to save Preston? Would you be championing its saving if its players were so laughably horrible that they can't even remotely pose any kind of challenge to any other team? They constantly lose by double digit differences in score? They hire coaches that insist on using unconventional and unsuccessful tactics and actively insult fans of the sport at the same time (not just fans of their rivals, but fans of the sport in general including their own)? The team owner blindly refuses to see or acknowledge any of these flaws, fix them, or turn the reigns over to someone who might be able to fix things? When is enough enough and you decide its just not worth it to try to save a team that there doesn't seem to be any hope of turning around simply for the sake of preserving an old rivalry? At some point you're just holding onto a past that's long since dead and ignoring a potential better future for no other logical reason then nostalgia.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 18, 2014 13:43:07 GMT -5
That's funny because I'm English and I'm a (what you call) soccer fan. I support Blackpool FC which means I'm honour bound to hate Preston FC and everything about them. We sing insulting songs about them. We criticise everything they do. But if Preston were actually on the brink of closure, me and every Blackpool supporter I know would want to save the club. That's why I find the attitude on this forum so shocking. Wrestling fans don't want wrestling companies to fold. End of. That's like saying that movie fans don't want any movies to flop, or comic fans don't want to see any books cancelled. Personally, I want TNA to die because it does not deserve to succeed. After all of the stupid, self-destructive things Dixie has done only to be bailed out time and time again, she does not deserve to have things work out for her. She deserves to lose her company, especially in light of all of the horrible things they've done to people working for them. Dude, that's not a good comparison. A movie bombing doesn't threaten the entire movie industry. TNA isn't nearly as big as WWE, but it folding would/will have some seriously negative ramifications on wrestlers and the wrestling industry. Not arguing that Dixie deserves sympathy; far from it. But wrestlers don't exactly earn a great living most of the time outside of nationalized companies.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 15:40:40 GMT -5
That's like saying that movie fans don't want any movies to flop, or comic fans don't want to see any books cancelled. Personally, I want TNA to die because it does not deserve to succeed. After all of the stupid, self-destructive things Dixie has done only to be bailed out time and time again, she does not deserve to have things work out for her. She deserves to lose her company, especially in light of all of the horrible things they've done to people working for them. Dude, that's not a good comparison. A movie bombing doesn't threaten the entire movie industry. TNA isn't nearly as big as WWE, but it folding would/will have some seriously negative ramifications on wrestlers and the wrestling industry. Not arguing that Dixie deserves sympathy; far from it. But wrestlers don't exactly earn a great living most of the time outside of nationalized companies. The problem being that all but the top wrestlers in TNA don't make a great living even being in a nationalized company. I'm all for a wrestling company that isn't owned by Vince McMahon/beneath the WWE umbrella in the national spotlight, but I as a wrestling fan shouldn't be forced to accept rampant cluelessness and mediocrity just because the wrestling industry will suffer as a whole when TNA goes under. I honestly believe that theory is kind of overblown just because the WWE is the only wrestling company that advertisers even give the time of day to and even they get virtually no respect when it comes to rights fees and network deals. Wrestling is a dying medium in America it doesn't really matter if TNA survives or collapses as it is the equivalent of the XFL at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 15:50:15 GMT -5
Honestly, I think TNA's death longterm would help the industry. It's not like the company limping its way to a 1.0 on a weekly basis (and often lately being lucky to hit that) is doing anything to make other companies rush to put on wrestling themselves like so many people think won't happen if TNA dies. If anything at least if it shuts down and is out of the way for a few years, then maybe among the always hilariously shortsighted people in the TV business one of them will have the thought to try to get in on it in search of their next big hit.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 18, 2014 19:11:06 GMT -5
Honestly, I think TNA's death longterm would help the industry. It's not like the company limping its way to a 1.0 on a weekly basis (and often lately being lucky to hit that) is doing anything to make other companies rush to put on wrestling themselves like so many people think won't happen if TNA dies. If anything at least if it shuts down and is out of the way for a few years, then maybe among the always hilariously shortsighted people in the TV business one of them will have the thought to try to get in on it in search of their next big hit. Man I don't even think that Velocity has a million viewers, and even if they stay on spike they can't come back from their deficit, not sure the viewers want Ec3 as the face of tna. As for a new promotion, you need a Ted Turner inversion and accept that you're gonna lose money till the company gets established for the first years, then develop slowly, kinda like the original plan for the USFL, till Trump f***ed all of that up trying to compete with the nfl. Just accept that you're not gonna beat Vince right away, maybe in 10 years but not from the get go.
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Post by gnr123 on Sept 19, 2014 0:30:58 GMT -5
What's really the benefit of it being alive? What has TNA done to warrant a longer time on television? If anything, TNA deserve to go out of business for basically being everything a wrestling company SHOULDN'T be. Ratings, terrible. Attendance, terrible. Storyline's, terrible. Allowing wrestlers to come out intoxicated and/or allow them to perform unnecessary high-risk spots for no reason. Continuous bashing of the WWE when WWE hasn't given a shit about TNA for it's entire existence. Seriously, they have entire storyline based on WWE, it's downright pathetic.
What's the benefits? Giving people jobs? I'm guaranteeing you, 90 percent of the TNA roster would find a better living off of the indy's than being in TNA. And considering guys alot of top indy guys like Steen, Zayn, and Devitt are making a name for themselves in WWE, I don't see how anyone would want to go to TNA.
It's not like TNA all the sudden going to get worldwide recognition and mainstream appeal over night, it's impossible. Their a laughing stock, watched by 1 million viewers who will watch it until it's last second. Seriously, no one takes it seriously anymore, there is no chance in hell a major network in picking them up when their ratings have been stagnant for a decade. Do you really think a network executive is going to be impressed with Rockstar Spud or Gunner? Or how delusional and stupid Dixie Carter is? Or how their attendance and PPV numbers are hilariously bad?
Put a fork in em', their done.
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