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Post by celticjobber on Sept 16, 2014 4:24:55 GMT -5
Of the three ex-Shield guys, I'm more of an Ambrose fan. But he's okay.
However, he clean win he got over Rollins on Raw was baffling. If WWE keeps shoving him down the fans' throats so much I could see a big backlash eventually.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Sept 16, 2014 5:58:09 GMT -5
He's mediocre to the core. He has potential but should be a tag guy or enforcer for a year whilst he improves. He needs to put on better matches, show some charisma, develop a personality and learn how to cut a promo.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Sept 16, 2014 6:00:47 GMT -5
Reigns has a great look and tons of potential, but he's just not ready (brother). He's someone that really should have spent more time in developmental, or at least done more singles work while he was in The Shield.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 6:15:13 GMT -5
Well last night's match was pretty good (and a clean win =/= a squash), and outside of some less-than-stellar scripting I don't think Reigns is that bad a promo either, so to answer your question OP, he's not bad at all - or at least nowhere near as bad as his detractors claim.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Sept 16, 2014 6:15:34 GMT -5
He's nowhere near as bad as some people would have you think. Sure, he's a little basic in ring, and he's nothing mind blowing on the mic, but he's got oodles of charisma, a good presence, and what he can do in the ring, he does well and with explosiveness. Like Carless said above, he's much better suited to quick, explosive matches than long drawn out slugfests.
But hey, lets keep pretending he's the male equivalent of Eva Marie right? f*** WWE and who they want us to cheer for, despite the fact they're pushing Ambrose hard. Fight the powah!
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Post by xCompackx on Sept 16, 2014 6:38:57 GMT -5
It's kinda funny how Roman Reigns is being criticized for not being a great talker and being basic in the ring, yet Brock Lesnar is praised despite being the same things (I'm a huge fan of Lesnar don't get me wrong, just making a point).
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Sept 16, 2014 6:44:41 GMT -5
It's kinda funny how Roman Reigns is being criticized for not being a great talker and being basic in the ring, yet Brock Lesnar is praised despite being the same things (I'm a huge fan of Lesnar don't get me wrong, just making a point). That's because Brock has had several great matches and doesn't even try to talk, he gets Heyman to talk for him.
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Post by xCompackx on Sept 16, 2014 7:33:13 GMT -5
It's kinda funny how Roman Reigns is being criticized for not being a great talker and being basic in the ring, yet Brock Lesnar is praised despite being the same things (I'm a huge fan of Lesnar don't get me wrong, just making a point). That's because Brock has had several great matches and doesn't even try to talk, he gets Heyman to talk for him. Oh, I know. I just don't get when people say "He doesn't do many moves" when others have done that and its been successful for them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 7:37:59 GMT -5
He's not bad, he just doesn't really stand out. When you factor in look, wrestling, promos etc. Guys like Ziggler, Cesaro, Barrett and Shaemus are all in a better position to be main eventers than Reigns.
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Post by berlynwright on Sept 16, 2014 7:41:43 GMT -5
He's getting a push, so quite clearly he's terrible. more like, hey this guy getting pushed ahead of my fav guy?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 8:25:34 GMT -5
While you people bash Roman he's training really hard right now by standing in the rain so his hair can be like that.
Jerks.
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Post by Dat Dude on Sept 16, 2014 8:31:51 GMT -5
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Post by AnActualBear on Sept 16, 2014 9:20:59 GMT -5
Reign's strengths: He looks great, he's a good badass, his work looks decent considering his lack of experience. His weaknesses: Can't do the traditional WWE scripted promo, can get exposed in long matches.
The way WWE push him: He has long matches, cuts long, terribly scripted promos and sometimes does wacky "comedy".
They're pushing him completely wrong. He should be murdering jobbers in 30 seconds and not saying anything. It worked with Ryback a couple of years back. WWE have a set way of pushing their top babyfaces and they never adapt the formula for anyone, that's the problem.
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Post by Dean F'n Ambrose on Sept 16, 2014 9:32:43 GMT -5
He is exactly what I didn't want in the main event scene. Absolutely awful.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 9:39:18 GMT -5
"Roman Reigns was so bad at everything..." HOW BAD WAS HE? "...that when he did charity work, he BLANKED all the homeless people!"
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Sept 16, 2014 9:48:06 GMT -5
The thing what bugs me, there are plenty of other guys in the WWE who can do what Reigns can do but much better. I get that Vince what's a big, strong guy with crowd-popping power moves and a good look as the main guy. That makes sense. But why not....
Barrett - Better in the ring, better promos, more charisma, more personality, good look (not as good as Reigns) but maybe lacks the crowd popping moves.
Cesaro - Better in the ring, better promos (although admittedly, not great), more charisma, more personality when he gets to show it, good look (again, not as good as Reigns) and much better crowd-popping moves.
Sheamus - Best big guy on the roster, better promos, more charisma, more personality, good look (Not traditionally good looking but Sheamus looks awesome and utterly badass), better crowd-popping moves.
Jack Swagger - Excellent in the ring, promos on par with Reigns, more charisma than Reigns, more personality, good looking guy.
Really, the only category Reigns wins in is looks. Everything else, the other potential big guy candidates for a super push blow him out of the water. Sheamus, granted, had a superman push that backfired but imo that was because WWE bizarrely decided to turn him into a comedian when really, he should be a straight up asskicker.
Cesaro would be my pick on the basis of the pop-uip uppercut, giant swing and the UFO. Those moves can be huge in the WWE, especially if he could get the crowd to count along with the swing for each rotation.
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Post by angryfan on Sept 16, 2014 9:59:32 GMT -5
I've called Reigns a hot tag guy before, but that's what he was always expected to be. in the Shield's heel days, he was the killer. When they turned face, he got the hot tag and murdered people. It drew money, and he was awesome at it. Not gonna lie, I saw a lot of Robert Gibson in him, still do, and Gibson as a tag guy drew a shtload of money.
You make him a solo act in WWE, and you need more than "hot tag, murder, pin, pose". He's got a good look, and in the short promos he cut with The Shield, it worked well. His first WWE promo was "When I want to say something I will" followed later in the interview by, "I have something to say, interview's over" and they all walked out. It was simple, but in a few words we got the message that this guy meant business.
Later, when he was half-flirting with Rene backstage during interviews, or the three of them were just playing off of each other, it also worked because it allowed us to focus on strengths.
Problem is, when you take someone who found their niche and excelled at it, then toss them into a different arena, then any shortcomings they have will stand out. It's not Reigns' fault that he's not that good at babyface in peril, because he hasn't really had to do that much. Sure there was "Reigns' last stand against he Wyatts" where he ultimately lost but looked like a warrior doing so, but that's the only time he's been asked to do it.
He can still learn the things he needs to, but this weird insistence they seem to have on "Go win now, everything else will take care of itself" is also hurting him. He's still relying on the same stuff that worked in a tag match, but the stuff in said tag matches that offset and covered for his limitations (he's young, of course he has limitations) are no longer there.
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Post by dreidemy on Sept 16, 2014 10:03:57 GMT -5
He sucks. Thats it. Vince wants a big guy? Of the 3 members of the former SHIELD, Reigns is the smallest. WWE tries to hard to make Roman Reigns a cool badass guy and that could work with someone like Barrett, Ambrose, Rollins even Rusev or some NXT Guys but not with Roman, a guy who lacks everything except an young Samoan/jungle man look. But if thats the reason of his push, just push the USO as singles guys and they will be better than him at everything.
Promo skills: Zero, awkward delivery almost as bad as the Bellas. Ring skills: 4 or 5 moves of doom, Cena-lite moveset. Awful combination of moves, some of them look stupid combined ( ex: Superman Punch-Spear combo) Look: Samoan/Jungle man wannabe.
Roman Reigns for me is just a awful/basic worker and nothing more than a midcarder
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Post by Boo! on Sept 16, 2014 10:07:55 GMT -5
I don't know this whole idea that he made Ambrose look bad. Noody ever thinks "A beat B but C couldnt beat B so A looks better than C" other than when complaining about something. In reality it made no difference to Ambrose at all.
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Post by khali on Sept 16, 2014 10:24:01 GMT -5
The hate some people have for Reigns is over the top absurd.
He is not a terrible worker. He's had two long matches with Orton that were good, and the match with Rollins was okay too. These were the first three high profile singles matches of his career, and they are already good. To me, a guy having good matches with almost no experience, is an indication that he's actually a good worker.
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