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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 16, 2014 18:08:27 GMT -5
Isn't the problem just that he only has like 7 moves, and his two finishers are goofy and require run-ups? And so all of his matches are quite boring? seven? I think you're being a bit generous.
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Post by came2piecesinmyhands on Sept 16, 2014 18:10:25 GMT -5
Isn't the problem just that he only has like 7 moves, and his two finishers are goofy and require run-ups? And so all of his matches are quite boring? seven? I think you're being a bit generous. Oh yeah, I counted armbar twice.
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Post by bootytea on Sept 16, 2014 18:22:29 GMT -5
The guy just comes across as an unfinished product to me quite honestly.
Even the way he dresses is really silly. Is it because he is out of shape? I don't get it at all. By the way, I just want to clarify that I know he is in good shape, but that outfit makes him look like he isn't. If the guys main draw is sex appeal, I don't get why they don't go all the way.
I'm not one to be swayed by how "cool" someone is because I don't even know what cool is supposed to be. I just want to see someone that is a master in a ring and can talk in a way that hypes me up. The problem I see with Reigns is that I just see a guy who is good looking and kinda below average at everything. Yes, he is the envy of many, but when you take away his "coolness" and good looks, I don't see that good of a worker.
Maybe I'm a bit weird but I would take a good worker that looked like Mankind over a hunky dude that does nothing for me in the ring. If the majority of guys in WWE were like Roman Reigns, we would be getting diva like quality matches each week.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 16, 2014 18:52:30 GMT -5
The biggest star of all time didn't do many moves. It's nice when a guy can do a whole buncha stuff, but it's the LEAST important thing a wrestler needs frankly. It's like the Del Rio crowd, championing him being a great wrestler--- yeah he can do a whole lotta moves, but if he can't sustain the crowd's interest, it doesn't matter at all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 18:59:34 GMT -5
The biggest star of all time didn't do many moves. It's nice when a guy can do a whole buncha stuff, but it's the LEAST important thing a wrestler needs frankly. It's like the Del Rio crowd, championing him being a great wrestler--- yeah he can do a whole lotta moves, but if he can't sustain the crowd's interest, it doesn't matter at all. I think that's the entire problem for everyone who likes and dislikes him, look at the Summerslam match against Orton, as of yet Reigns has no middle ground between his key spots so getting put in a 20 minute match where he sold for 80% of it despite apparently being a Hot Tag[TM the person in the thread who used that description] destroyer is flawed. Whilst he's presented rightfully as a bad-ass destroyer on commentary/in adverts, in ring and on the mic that aspect of his character isn't reflected well enough, and that's all on the booking/presentation. If they booked him back in 10 minute matches, brought in some middle ground for his matches -not just a few more moves, but a better feel for taunting/buying time and such-, and had him cut concise non-pouting promos he'd be absolutely perfect for the role the commentators keep telling us he fills.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 16, 2014 19:02:21 GMT -5
The biggest star of all time didn't do many moves. It's nice when a guy can do a whole buncha stuff, but it's the LEAST important thing a wrestler needs frankly. It's like the Del Rio crowd, championing him being a great wrestler--- yeah he can do a whole lotta moves, but if he can't sustain the crowd's interest, it doesn't matter at all. I think that's the entire problem for everyone who likes and dislikes him, look at the Summerslam match against Orton, as of yet Reigns has no middle ground between his key spots so getting put in a 20 minute match where he sold for 80% of it despite apparently being a Hot Tag[TM the person in the thread who used that description] destroyer is flawed. Whilst he's presented rightfully as a bad-ass destroyer on commentary/in adverts, in ring and on the mic that aspect of his character isn't reflected well enough, and that's all on the booking/presentation. If they booked him back in 10 minute matches, brought in some middle ground for his matches -not just a few more moves, but a better feel for taunting/buying time and such-, and had him cut concise non-pouting promos he'd be absolutely perfect for the role the commentators keep telling us he fills. And I understand that. That viewpoint is valid. But saying he, or anyone really is bad because they do X amount of moves is the smarkiest argument that ever smarked. Being over is all that matters.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 19:05:29 GMT -5
I think that's the entire problem for everyone who likes and dislikes him, look at the Summerslam match against Orton, as of yet Reigns has no middle ground between his key spots so getting put in a 20 minute match where he sold for 80% of it despite apparently being a Hot Tag[TM the person in the thread who used that description] destroyer is flawed. Whilst he's presented rightfully as a bad-ass destroyer on commentary/in adverts, in ring and on the mic that aspect of his character isn't reflected well enough, and that's all on the booking/presentation. If they booked him back in 10 minute matches, brought in some middle ground for his matches -not just a few more moves, but a better feel for taunting/buying time and such-, and had him cut concise non-pouting promos he'd be absolutely perfect for the role the commentators keep telling us he fills. And I understand that. That viewpoint is valid. But saying he, or anyone really is bad because they do X amount of moves is the smarkiest argument that ever smarked. Being over is all that matters. Oh I agree completely, I mean, I mentioned my love of Big Dave before. I guess I wouldn't mind him being a little more intense in matches to reflect how cool/intimidating he does come across 80% of the time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 19:08:40 GMT -5
There is an issue with Reigns's moveset, but it's not the size of it, it's the way it's structured. Essentially the only non-punch and kick offense he has consists of three running moves and a Samoan drop. That works great for tag matches when he can just destroy people, but then you have things like the match at SummerSlam where he barely got any offense before the ending flurry because all of his actual moves are big spots. He needs to at the very least add some transition moves, and preferably some variety of lifting finisher that can immediately follow the Superman punch because the transition from it to the spear is very awkward.
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Post by Prince Petty on Sept 16, 2014 19:22:54 GMT -5
There is an issue with Reigns's moveset, but it's not the size of it, it's the way it's structured. Essentially the only non-punch and kick offense he has consists of three running moves and a Samoan drop. That works great for tag matches when he can just destroy people, but then you have things like the match at SummerSlam where he barely got any offense before the ending flurry because all of his actual moves are big spots. He needs to at the very least add some transition moves, and preferably some variety of lifting finisher that can immediately follow the Superman punch because the transition from it to the spear is very awkward. I've never done any training to be a wrestler, so I'm often a bit puzzled when guys just don't seem to have many moves. How hard can it be to learn a standard suplex, or a scoop slam? What about the old Atomic Drop, which no one does any more? These are relatively safe, simple moves, and if Reigns can be trusted to do a power bomb, he can be trusted to do any of those.
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Post by mrjl on Sept 16, 2014 19:36:36 GMT -5
The biggest star of all time didn't do many moves. It's nice when a guy can do a whole buncha stuff, but it's the LEAST important thing a wrestler needs frankly. It's like the Del Rio crowd, championing him being a great wrestler--- yeah he can do a whole lotta moves, but if he can't sustain the crowd's interest, it doesn't matter at all. I think that's the entire problem for everyone who likes and dislikes him, look at the Summerslam match against Orton, as of yet Reigns has no middle ground between his key spots so getting put in a 20 minute match where he sold for 80% of it despite apparently being a Hot Tag[TM the person in the thread who used that description] destroyer is flawed. Whilst he's presented rightfully as a bad-ass destroyer on commentary/in adverts, in ring and on the mic that aspect of his character isn't reflected well enough, and that's all on the booking/presentation. If they booked him back in 10 minute matches, brought in some middle ground for his matches -not just a few more moves, but a better feel for taunting/buying time and such-, and had him cut concise non-pouting promos he'd be absolutely perfect for the role the commentators keep telling us he fills. unfortunately that's generally WWE's style and one of the things I dislike about them. It's why I hate the concept of a guy like Brock in WWE. No many how many arms he breaks, how many guys he beats down, him getting what he deserves will consist of his opponent escaping Brock's finisher, and hitting two or three moves and that'll be it.
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Post by mrjl on Sept 16, 2014 19:58:45 GMT -5
There is an issue with Reigns's moveset, but it's not the size of it, it's the way it's structured. Essentially the only non-punch and kick offense he has consists of three running moves and a Samoan drop. That works great for tag matches when he can just destroy people, but then you have things like the match at SummerSlam where he barely got any offense before the ending flurry because all of his actual moves are big spots. He needs to at the very least add some transition moves, and preferably some variety of lifting finisher that can immediately follow the Superman punch because the transition from it to the spear is very awkward. I've never done any training to be a wrestler, so I'm often a bit puzzled when guys just don't seem to have many moves. How hard can it be to learn a standard suplex, or a scoop slam? What about the old Atomic Drop, which no one does any more? These are relatively safe, simple moves, and if Reigns can be trusted to do a power bomb, he can be trusted to do any of those. I'm sure he does, simply because training with his family would probably result in him knowing more than than five or seven or ten moves. Youtube has twenty five on a video
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 16, 2014 20:05:55 GMT -5
The biggest star of all time didn't do many moves. It's nice when a guy can do a whole buncha stuff, but it's the LEAST important thing a wrestler needs frankly. It's like the Del Rio crowd, championing him being a great wrestler--- yeah he can do a whole lotta moves, but if he can't sustain the crowd's interest, it doesn't matter at all. While true that a guy doesn't need a bunch of flashy signature moves, he at least needs to use generic moves to help a match flow. No one would ever say that an abdominal stretch, vertical suplex, and back body drop were "signature" moves of Hulk Hogan, but he still used them when momentum needed to swing back his way without wasting one of his signature spots. Reigns doesn't really do that. It's just punch, punch, punch, get dominated, punch, punch, punch, get dominated, hit all his signature moves (sometimes twice), win. It's just poor structure. It's a weakness not even Goldberg had.
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