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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Sept 16, 2014 7:46:55 GMT -5
I don't blame people for having this sentiment. It is definitely a rough run for these guys at the moment. But, it really is nothing that can't be fixed with good, logical booking and storylines. I know... big, BIG stretch for modern WWE, but seriously... it's not impossible.
Sometimes I wonder if it's really only us who remember the bad booking that guys go through and use that as a reason not to put our faith and support behind them and not the casuals. Like, if Wyatt were to hypothetically suddenly go on a tear and start crushing guys and winning feuds against anyone and everyone worth a damn and be the most over heel in the company, are we going to be the guys sitting there going "Pfft, Cena crushed this loser six months ago, why should I care now?".
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Post by mrjl on Sept 16, 2014 7:58:54 GMT -5
Must have missed out on those months of him losing all of his major matches to CM Punk, The Shield, and Mark Henry before he actually feuded with Cena. Cena is blamed for killing Rybacks momentum because he should have won the belt from Punk around late 2012/early 2013, but they couldn't do it because Punk had to drop the belt to Rock, so Cena could get his win back and have his 47th title reign in the process. they wanted Cena to have a reason to face Rock, it wasn't about the title.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 8:00:28 GMT -5
Cena is blamed for killing Rybacks momentum because he should have won the belt from Punk around late 2012/early 2013, but they couldn't do it because Punk had to drop the belt to Rock, so Cena could get his win back and have his 47th title reign in the process. they wanted Cena to have a reason to face Rock, it wasn't about the title. "Give me a rematch." "No." "Come on, you want it just as much as me. You only won that because I got cocky, you want to prove you can really beat me as much as I want to prove I can beat you." "Fair enough." There, match booked.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 8:06:11 GMT -5
Cena is blamed for killing Rybacks momentum because he should have won the belt from Punk around late 2012/early 2013, but they couldn't do it because Punk had to drop the belt to Rock, so Cena could get his win back and have his 47th title reign in the process. they wanted Cena to have a reason to face Rock, it wasn't about the title. They could have done Cena vs Rock for the WHC instead, and not killed Ryback's credibility or Punk's momentum. And it would have been better than the Swagger vs Del Rio feud.
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Post by joediego on Sept 16, 2014 8:10:03 GMT -5
Cena is the root cause of everything that's bad in the WWE.
No joke.
If Vince had to book a fed without his go-to boy it would be much better.
If you look back in history, whenever a vacuum needs filling we get an upswing creatively. Whenever the space at the top is taken there's often a lull.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 8:11:16 GMT -5
I don't blame people for having this sentiment. It is definitely a rough run for these guys at the moment. But, it really is nothing that can't be fixed with good, logical booking and storylines. I know... big, BIG stretch for modern WWE, but seriously... it's not impossible. Sometimes I wonder if it's really only us who remember the bad booking that guys go through and use that as a reason not to put our faith and support behind them and not the casuals. Like, if Wyatt were to hypothetically suddenly go on a tear and start crushing guys and winning feuds against anyone and everyone worth a damn and be the most over heel in the company, are we going to be the guys sitting there going "Pfft, Cena crushed this loser six months ago, why should I care now?". You are right that these guys can be rebuilt, the problem is WWE doesn't rebuild them usually, and if they do it takes a lot of time and effort. It would be much more logical to just not kill their momentum to begin with. It's also a stupid idea to sacrifice everyone to Cena. Even if they insist on keeping him as top dog, they need other top stars in case he gets injured, or to help sell a ppv if Cena doesn't have a hot feud at the moment and is feuding with a second or third tier heel.
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Post by the2ndevil on Sept 16, 2014 8:16:28 GMT -5
I'd really like to go visit the alternate universe where the Wyatt/Bryan feud wasn't cut because people couldn't handle Bryan not yelling "Yes!" for a little while.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 8:34:35 GMT -5
I'd really like to go visit the alternate universe where the Wyatt/Bryan feud wasn't cut because people couldn't handle Bryan not yelling "Yes!" for a little while. They cut it off at the right time. The storyline wasn't working, and had been going on for months without anyone really caring that much about it as it was. They were right to recognize that it wasn't a story fans were invested in and cut it off when they did.
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Post by Jiren on Sept 16, 2014 8:43:42 GMT -5
I don't blame people for having this sentiment. It is definitely a rough run for these guys at the moment. But, it really is nothing that can't be fixed with good, logical booking and storylines. I know... big, BIG stretch for modern WWE, but seriously... it's not impossible. Sometimes I wonder if it's really only us who remember the bad booking that guys go through and use that as a reason not to put our faith and support behind them and not the casuals. Like, if Wyatt were to hypothetically suddenly go on a tear and start crushing guys and winning feuds against anyone and everyone worth a damn and be the most over heel in the company, are we going to be the guys sitting there going "Pfft, Cena crushed this loser six months ago, why should I care now?". You are right that these guys can be rebuilt, the problem is WWE doesn't rebuild them usually, and if they do it takes a lot of time and effort. It would be much more logical to just not kill their momentum to begin with. It's also a stupid idea to sacrifice everyone to Cena. Even if they insist on keeping him as top dog, they need other top stars in case he gets injured, or to help sell a ppv if Cena doesn't have a hot feud at the moment and is feuding with a second or third tier heel. I know I keep saying this but Cena should be 90's Taker. Have him fight "Monsters Of The Month" type characters, Keep away from the title picture also Use him to help push new people. At least the kids get to see their hero without damaging potential stars. Let the US/IC/WHC be used to build new people.
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Post by bigjohnsons on Sept 16, 2014 9:17:11 GMT -5
Did you know Water is wet
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Post by mrjl on Sept 16, 2014 9:22:13 GMT -5
Cena is the root cause of everything that's bad in the WWE. No joke. If Vince had to book a fed without his go-to boy it would be much better. If you look back in history, whenever a vacuum needs filling we get an upswing creatively. Whenever the space at the top is taken there's often a lull. what about the New Generation?
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Post by mrjl on Sept 16, 2014 9:28:56 GMT -5
they wanted Cena to have a reason to face Rock, it wasn't about the title. They could have done Cena vs Rock for the WHC instead, and not killed Ryback's credibility or Punk's momentum. And it would have been better than the Swagger vs Del Rio feud. unfortunately they'd announced that Rock would be challenging for the WWE title at the Royal Rumble several months previously. I've felt with the HiaC stipulation they could have had a lower carder take on Punk in Cena place. Give Kofi a shot. Looking at the feuds at the time Orton was a face and trying for the World title. He could have been given a shot at the WWE title as compensation
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Post by joediego on Sept 16, 2014 9:42:12 GMT -5
Cena is the root cause of everything that's bad in the WWE. No joke. If Vince had to book a fed without his go-to boy it would be much better. If you look back in history, whenever a vacuum needs filling we get an upswing creatively. Whenever the space at the top is taken there's often a lull. what about the New Generation? The New Generation was more exciting than now because Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels and Diesel were fresh faces at the top of the card. I watched the first ever Raw a couple of nights ago and it was fresh and exciting. ECW and Nitro also began making waves during the same era, so for the wrestling fan things were happening. John Cena has been at the top for 9 years. Seriously, when will this stop?
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Post by Just call me D.j.m. on Sept 16, 2014 9:46:10 GMT -5
Do we add the Wyatts to the jpeg of "Let's just wait and see how it plays out" now?
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Post by sybaku on Sept 16, 2014 9:55:39 GMT -5
At least that fresh new face Big Show is getting a push
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 16, 2014 9:57:16 GMT -5
"OFFICIALLY"
Excuse me sir, can you show some documentation to prove this claim?
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Post by Jiren on Sept 16, 2014 9:58:30 GMT -5
I'll see where this Big Show feud goes first
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Post by joediego on Sept 16, 2014 10:02:13 GMT -5
"OFFICIALLY" Excuse me sir, can you show some documentation to prove this claim? It's unofficially official.
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Post by Hypnosis on Sept 16, 2014 10:59:13 GMT -5
I'll see where this Big Show feud goes first
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Post by Jiren on Sept 16, 2014 11:00:44 GMT -5
I'll see where this Big Show feud goes first You're killing my optimism
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